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And that's why Obama wants to emphasize engineering and science
Talk about clueless obama and 10,000 Engineers a Year
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And that's why Obama wants to emphasize engineering and science
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Yet there are very few conservatives/republicans who are scientists or engineers
daveman
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Yeah, I keep hearing you bozos repeating that, but I never see anything credible to back it up.
Anecdotally, all the engineers I've worked with have been conservatives. And I've worked with around a hundred or so throughout my career. Of course, they've been military civil and mechanical engineers, a few EEs, and an architect or two.
bigrebnc1775
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Do you know what infuriates me? Someone taking something I said and taking it out of context. The jobs I was talking about would be those in the construction industry. Pre job depending on the size you will have an engineer per craft.
You are contridicting yourself
Now who is the one who is killing te economy? Libreals are if you missed that part.
bigrebnc1775
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Don't just read the title read the whole story.
psikeyhackr
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How does anybody expect to produce engineers when grade school graduates don't have a clue about science? A nun told my sister that science and religion don't mix. They had science books sitting on a shelf that they never used. I got science from science fiction books that supplied clues about what to research and went into electrical engineering.
But today they call junk like Hyperion science fiction when it is just decent fantasy.
But now kids can do plenty of sophisticated stuff without the so called schools.
There is material available for free now and we have cheap computers to access it.
All Day September by Roger Kuykendall
All Day September - Roger Kuykendall | Feedbooks
THE YEAR WHEN STARDUST FELL by Raymond F. Jones
Winston Science Fiction: Synopsis for THE YEAR WHEN STARDUST FELL by Raymond F. Jones
The Fourth R : George O. Smith
"The Fourth R" by Smith George Oliver Free Download. The book is added by David (Idaho) Read online books at OnRead.com.
Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics, by Stan Gibilisco
Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics, Fourth Edition : McGraw-Hill Professional Online Book Store
Celestia: space simulation of the universe in 3D
Celestia: Home
GeoGebra: Interactive graphics, algebra and spreadsheet
GeoGebra
Solve Elec: draw and analyze electrical circuits
Solve Elec - Educational software
Logisim: Digital logic circuit simulator
Logisim | Download Logisim software for free at SourceForge.net
A netbook that can run that stuff is less than $400. Doesn't one course at an engineering school cost more than that. I wish someone had given me a book like Gibilisco's when I was in 7th grade.
Oh yeah, The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
Download The Art of Electronics – Horowitz & Hill | books download
I wonder if our educators even want to figure out what can really be done with this technology. We need to raise the level of scientific knowledge of the average American.
psik
But today they call junk like Hyperion science fiction when it is just decent fantasy.
But now kids can do plenty of sophisticated stuff without the so called schools.
There is material available for free now and we have cheap computers to access it.
All Day September by Roger Kuykendall
All Day September - Roger Kuykendall | Feedbooks
THE YEAR WHEN STARDUST FELL by Raymond F. Jones
Winston Science Fiction: Synopsis for THE YEAR WHEN STARDUST FELL by Raymond F. Jones
The Fourth R : George O. Smith
"The Fourth R" by Smith George Oliver Free Download. The book is added by David (Idaho) Read online books at OnRead.com.
Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics, by Stan Gibilisco
Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics, Fourth Edition : McGraw-Hill Professional Online Book Store
Celestia: space simulation of the universe in 3D
Celestia: Home
GeoGebra: Interactive graphics, algebra and spreadsheet
GeoGebra
Solve Elec: draw and analyze electrical circuits
Solve Elec - Educational software
Logisim: Digital logic circuit simulator
Logisim | Download Logisim software for free at SourceForge.net
A netbook that can run that stuff is less than $400. Doesn't one course at an engineering school cost more than that. I wish someone had given me a book like Gibilisco's when I was in 7th grade.
Oh yeah, The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
Download The Art of Electronics – Horowitz & Hill | books download
I wonder if our educators even want to figure out what can really be done with this technology. We need to raise the level of scientific knowledge of the average American.
psik
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rdean
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No, I disagree.
The foreign students often do not leave the US.
They fill positions that US companies simply cannot fill with the domestic workforce.
The "brain drain" is in India, and China, where there best and brightest are deciding to reside in the USA.
It is ironic that Obama, who knows nothing about Engineering, or the employment thereof, should be using tax dollars to promote Engineering
Also ironic is there are only 5 members of congress who are engineers:
And only 6 scientists
Like Obama:
By the way, Congress has the lowest approval rating of any other institution in the USA.
Yea Lawyers.
Not so much anymore.
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rdean
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How do you do that with the vast majority of Republicans believing in magical creation? And the Republican leadership racing to defund education and research?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/scien...g-of-value-from-the-science-of-evolution.html
bigrebnc1775
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As for the department of education it not working if it's not working kill it.. Before we had the department of education Children were smarter get rid of the department of education and that will free up some money for paying off obama's debt.
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rdean
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Do you have proof it's not working? We seemed to be doing pretty well until Bush and the Republicans took over.
Samson
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I guess Obama has not shared your desire to "innovate, explore, and create."
Obama's NASA Budget Draws Mixed Reviews | Space.com
OOOOPs:
Phased Out: Obama's NASA Budget Would Cancel Constellation Moon Program, Privatize Manned Launches: Scientific American
I suppose there is no democratic consituancy on the moon, where they already get free cheese.
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daveman
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I guess Obama has not shared your desire to "innovate, explore, and create."
Obama's NASA Budget Draws Mixed Reviews | Space.com
OOOOPs:
Phased Out: Obama's NASA Budget Would Cancel Constellation Moon Program, Privatize Manned Launches: Scientific American
I suppose there is no democratic consituancy on the moon, where they already get free cheese.
Space exploration? Pffft! NASA has Muslims to reach out to!
Obama’s new mission for NASA: Reach out to Muslim world
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Samson
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I guess Obama has not shared your desire to "innovate, explore, and create."
Obama's NASA Budget Draws Mixed Reviews | Space.com
OOOOPs:
Phased Out: Obama's NASA Budget Would Cancel Constellation Moon Program, Privatize Manned Launches: Scientific American
I suppose there is no democratic consituancy on the moon, where they already get free cheese.
Space exploration? Pffft! NASA has Muslims to reach out to!
ObamaÂ’s new mission for NASA: Reach out to Muslim world
Now Sallow's REALLY gonna be upset!!
daveman
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But Sunni will vote Dem!I guess Obama has not shared your desire to "innovate, explore, and create."
Obama's NASA Budget Draws Mixed Reviews | Space.com
OOOOPs:
Phased Out: Obama's NASA Budget Would Cancel Constellation Moon Program, Privatize Manned Launches: Scientific American
I suppose there is no democratic consituancy on the moon, where they already get free cheese.
Space exploration? Pffft! NASA has Muslims to reach out to!
ObamaÂ’s new mission for NASA: Reach out to Muslim world
Now Sallow's REALLY gonna be upset!!
xsited1
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No, I disagree.
The foreign students often do not leave the US.
They fill positions that US companies simply cannot fill with the domestic workforce.
The "brain drain" is in India, and China, where there best and brightest are deciding to reside in the USA.
It is ironic that Obama, who knows nothing about Engineering, or the employment thereof, should be using tax dollars to promote Engineering
Also ironic is there are only 5 members of congress who are engineers:
And only 6 scientists
Like Obama:
By the way, Congress has the lowest approval rating of any other institution in the USA.
Yea Lawyers.
That's true, but I don't see a brain drain in India or China. We do get their "best and brightest," but they still have many highly educated engineers left and those who come to America don't always stay for long returning to their native land to build companies that compete directly with the US. Their loyalties are usually not with the US. Many US companies outsource their IT departments, for example, led by American educated foreigners. We'll see what happens, but my fear is that the US is fast becoming a shell that will quickly fall apart when these American-educated foreigners (many educated by foreign-born professors in America) decide there are greener pastures elsewhere. It would be nice if American-born citizens decided to become Scientists and Engineers on their own, but that isn't happening. Obama's efforts will fail, mainly because he's unqualified at just about everything and knows nothing about the real world.
Samson
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No, I disagree.
The foreign students often do not leave the US.
They fill positions that US companies simply cannot fill with the domestic workforce.
The "brain drain" is in India, and China, where there best and brightest are deciding to reside in the USA.
It is ironic that Obama, who knows nothing about Engineering, or the employment thereof, should be using tax dollars to promote Engineering
Also ironic is there are only 5 members of congress who are engineers:
And only 6 scientists
Like Obama:
By the way, Congress has the lowest approval rating of any other institution in the USA.
Yea Lawyers.
That's true, but I don't see a brain drain in India or China. We do get their "best and brightest," but they still have many highly educated engineers left and those who come to America don't always stay for long returning to their native land to build companies that compete directly with the US. Their loyalties are usually not with the US. Many US companies outsource their IT departments, for example, led by American educated foreigners. We'll see what happens, but my fear is that the US is fast becoming a shell that will quickly fall apart when these American-educated foreigners (many educated by foreign-born professors in America) decide there are greener pastures elsewhere. It would be nice if American-born citizens decided to become Scientists and Engineers on their own, but that isn't happening. Obama's efforts will fail, mainly because he's unqualified at just about everything and knows nothing about the real world.
Well, I must admit, that I, like you, am basing opinion of emperical knowledge.
I cannot conceive that many successful Indian Engineers return to India from the USA: Maybe the ones that cannot find a hawt American Golddigger to marry?
xsited1
Agent P
No, I disagree.
The foreign students often do not leave the US.
They fill positions that US companies simply cannot fill with the domestic workforce.
The "brain drain" is in India, and China, where there best and brightest are deciding to reside in the USA.
It is ironic that Obama, who knows nothing about Engineering, or the employment thereof, should be using tax dollars to promote Engineering
Also ironic is there are only 5 members of congress who are engineers:
And only 6 scientists
Like Obama:
By the way, Congress has the lowest approval rating of any other institution in the USA.
Yea Lawyers.
That's true, but I don't see a brain drain in India or China. We do get their "best and brightest," but they still have many highly educated engineers left and those who come to America don't always stay for long returning to their native land to build companies that compete directly with the US. Their loyalties are usually not with the US. Many US companies outsource their IT departments, for example, led by American educated foreigners. We'll see what happens, but my fear is that the US is fast becoming a shell that will quickly fall apart when these American-educated foreigners (many educated by foreign-born professors in America) decide there are greener pastures elsewhere. It would be nice if American-born citizens decided to become Scientists and Engineers on their own, but that isn't happening. Obama's efforts will fail, mainly because he's unqualified at just about everything and knows nothing about the real world.
Well, I must admit, that I, like you, am basing opinion of emperical knowledge.
I cannot conceive that many successful Indian Engineers return to India from the USA: Maybe the ones that cannot find a hawt American Golddigger to marry?
I've been friends with numerous Indians and other foreigners who came to America to get advanced degrees. About half have stayed. That's not bad. I hope more stay and America doesn't implode.
Samson
Póg Mo Thóin
Its always good to have friends that can get you a discount on a slurpee, or a Slim Jim.
percysunshine
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I always wanted a magic wand. I could wave it and 'Poof!' there would be 10,000 competent engineers ready to build what ever I wanted them to build...without asking questions.
Of course, if I had a wand like that, I would probably use it to create one realy hot caddy to carry my bag on the golf course.
Of course, if I had a wand like that, I would probably use it to create one realy hot caddy to carry my bag on the golf course.
psikeyhackr
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We have got cheap computers and the Internet.
Why aren't most concerned parents talking about short circuiting the educational system rather than fixing it. As a kid I recall trying to find good books among all the crap. It is really hard when you don't know squat to begin with.
I only learned about this book last year. I could have been told about it in high school.
The Tyranny of Words by Stuart Chase
Books: Semantics - TIME
I have begun to think there is a significant percentage of people who make a point of not spreading info about good books and advocate crappy ones.
psik
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