Take a lookie at this video.. Aztlan Video

[Stephanie]

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810

Professors, and the mayor of LA in it..

 

[krisy]

They say it's their homeland,but did they make this country what it is?!! If so,and if possible,why don't they make Mexico a thriving independent country?

 

[Hobbit]

This is exactly like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. We Americans actually bought or were given in peace agreements, all of this land they are calling "Aztlan." We've had it for over 100 years and they haven't said a single thing before, but now that we've turned that land into something great and prosperous, it's suddenly "their homeland" and they want it back. Well, they can have it back when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

 

[krisy]

This is exactly like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. We Americans actually bought or were given in peace agreements, all of this land they are calling "Aztlan." We've had it for over 100 years and they haven't said a single thing before, but now that we've turned that land into something great and prosperous, it's suddenly "their homeland" and they want it back. Well, they can have it back when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Exactly my point. All of the sudden it's theirs?!! Even if they were claiming it was theirs before all this hoopla,they still didn't make it what it is. I wonder what the reaction would be if we did the same to them.....

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

I'm trying to figure out why any Mexicans would claim the southwest US as their homeland. It was almost entirely empty land when we took it. Why did the Mexican government invite anglos to settle in Texas? Because there was virtually no one there!

The Mexican government drew some lines on a map of empty land that had hardly been charted or occupied, and claimed it. Now perhaps the US should have simply offered to buy the land, but I can't say that I'm crying big tears over our taking empty land, either. There probably wasn't 1 person out of a thousand in those crowds who had ancestors living in the southwest US prior to 1845.

Maybe they would have some credibility if they were looking to streamline the immigration process, reduce fees and paperwork, etc. It's probably a real pain to get in. But this stuff just sounds like a bunch of crybabies who got their feelings hurt that they're used as beasts of burden in the US economy. Well, what do you expect when you have a middle-school education and don't speak english? Also you could try taking a shower, washing the thick grease out of your hair, and learning to use a toilet properly. Yes, they actually flush here. Even when you use paper. :shudder:

 

[Annie]

The US pounded Mexico and still paid for land:

http://www.answers.com/topic/mexican-war

Mexican War, 1846–48, armed conflict between the United States and Mexico.

Causes

While the immediate cause of the war was the U.S. annexation of Texas (Dec., 1845), other factors had disturbed peaceful relations between the two republics. In the United States there was agitation for the settlement of long-standing claims arising from injuries and property losses sustained by U.S. citizens in the various Mexican revolutions.

Another major factor was the American ambition, publicly stated by President Polk, of acquiring California, upon which it was believed France and Great Britain were casting covetous eyes. Despite the rupture of diplomatic relations between Mexico and the United States that followed congressional consent to the admission of Texas into the Union, President Polk sent John Slidell to Mexico to negotiate a settlement. Slidell was authorized to purchase California and New Mexico, part of which was claimed by Texas, and to offer the U.S. government's assumption of liability for the claims of U.S. citizens in return for boundary adjustments.

When Mexico declined to negotiate, the United States prepared to take by force what it could not achieve by diplomacy. The war was heartily supported by the outright imperialists and by those who wished slave-holding territory extended. The settlement of the Oregon boundary dispute (June, 1846), which took place shortly after the official outbreak of hostilities, seemed to indicate British acquiescence, for it granted the United States a free hand.

The Course of Hostilities

Early in May, 1845, American troops under Gen. Zachary Taylor had been stationed at the Sabine River preliminary to an advance to the Rio Grande, the southern boundary claimed by Texas. They advanced to Corpus Christi in July. In Mar., 1846, after the failure of Slidell's mission, Taylor occupied Point Isabel, a town at the mouth of the Rio Grande. To the Mexicans, who claimed the Nueces River as the boundary, this was an act of aggression, and after some negotiations Gen. Mariano Arista ordered his troops to cross the Rio Grande. On Apr. 25 a clash between the two armies occurred, and Taylor reported to Washington that hostilities had begun.

On May 3 the guns of Matamoros began to shell Fort Brown (then Fort Taylor), an advanced American position near the present Brownsville, Tex. President Polk called these Mexican actions an invasion of American soil, and on May 13, 1846, the United States declared war. Meanwhile, Taylor had defeated the Mexicans at Palo Alto (May 8) and Resaca de la Palma (May 9). The Mexicans retreated across the Rio Grande. Taylor followed them and on May 18 took Matamoros. After a delay he then advanced on Monterrey, which he occupied after a five-day battle (Sept. 20–24, 1846).

In June, 1846, Gen. Stephen W. Kearny left Fort Leavenworth for New Mexico with some 1,600 men, including a force of Missouri volunteers under Alexander Doniphan. Santa Fe was taken (August), a provisional government was set up, and Doniphan was placed in command of the area. Kearny pushed on to California to find that this province, through the agency of Commodore John D. Sloat (later relieved by Robert F. Stockton) and John C. Frémont, was already under American rule. After reinforcements reached Santa Fe, Doniphan invaded (Dec., 1846) N Mexico, taking El Paso and Chihuahua before he joined forces with Gen. John E. Wool (who had advanced southwest from San Antonio) and with Taylor at Saltillo.

Gen. Antonio López de Santa Anna, who had been in exile in Cuba and had been allowed passage through the U.S. blockade at Veracruz, had now assumed the presidency of Mexico; he gathered a large force to stop Taylor's advance. Taylor, whose army had been greatly reduced in size, was in an extremely vulnerable position when hit by Santa Anna in the battle of Buena Vista (Feb., 1847). The fighting was hard and appeared indecisive for a time, but in the end the Mexicans withdrew in confusion.

The final campaign of the war began with the landing of U.S. forces under Gen. Winfield Scott at Veracruz in Mar., 1847. Scott was supported by a naval task force under David Conner (who was relieved by Matthew C. Perry); they landed some 12,000 men and after a three-day bombardment took the city. Scott then began his drive on Mexico City. In April, Santa Anna was defeated at the mountain stronghold of Cerro Gordo. After hard fighting Mexican forces were also routed at Contreras and Churubusco (August).

On Aug. 24 the Mexicans accepted an armistice, but after two weeks of futile peace negotiations, fighting was resumed. The Mexican capital was heavily defended by garrisons at Casa Mata and Molino del Rey and by the great fortress of Chapultepec. William J. Worth carried Casa Mata and Molino del Rey, and the supposedly impregnable Chapultepec was stormed in a savage American assault led by Gen. John A. Quitman. On Sept. 14, 1847, American troops entered Mexico City, where they remained until peace was restored.

The Settlement

The United States had won an easy victory, partly because Mexico, torn by civil strife, could not present a united front to face the invader. The Mexican presidency had changed hands a number of times during the war, and some Mexican states had refused to cooperate with the central government. Peace negotiations were conducted on behalf of the United States by Nicholas P. Trist, a secret envoy, whose relations with General Scott were at first strained. Although recalled by President Polk, Trist decided to ignore the order and continue his negotiations, which resulted in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (Feb. 2, 1848). By the terms of the treaty, Mexico ceded to the United States two fifths of its territory and received an indemnity of $15 million and the assumption of American claims against Mexico by the U.S. government. The boundary between the two countries, as outlined, was to follow the Rio Grande from its mouth to the New Mexico line, then run west to the Gila River, follow the Gila to the Colorado River and then follow the boundary between Upper California and Lower California to the Pacific.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Interesting. I had forgotten that they paid some money for the land (granted, at the point of a gun). Another thing worth pointing out: the few Mexicans living in the southwest were not kicked out, nor was their land stolen, to my knowledge. So the Israel/Palestine analogy doesn't exactly work. The people marching are the recent arrivals, the ones whose families are from south of the Rio Grande, and as such, they have no claim on american states. And the ones who have been here for 5 or 6 generations are practically indistinguishable from any other american, and wouldn't be caught dead at one of these rallies.

 

[ThomasPaine]

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810

Professors, and the mayor of LA in it..

to purchase another weapon. Hate to say it but we may have to refight the Mex-American War again. Those fools think they got their asses handed to them in 1845 have no idea what may happen now.. Aztlan my ass. Time to teach the Mexicans a thing or two about how Americans can handle this by ourselves. If the government refuses to fight then we in the border and near border states that have experienced this INVASION may have to take matters into our own hands. Tell me how can it be illegal to take out an illegal? Hate to say it but this may have to resort to vigilatism... Viva Los Estados Unidos and to hell with Mexico...

 

[dmp]

Oh Lord - what I would do with a couple .50 Caliber rounds, a .50 Caliber sniper rifle, and a world with no consequence.

 

[ThomasPaine]

Oh Lord - what I would do with a couple .50 Caliber rounds, a .50 Caliber sniper rifle, and a world with no consequence.

some free lance help.. Sadly I think we are definitely headed for civil war and this illegal immigration problem may be the catalyst for it. If the gutless politicians refuse to stop this then we Americans will have to take matters into our own hands. Believe it that if the mexis think they are going to get shot dead crossing the border that will end this problem post haste..

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Wouldn't it be considered a national tragedy if any race besides white people could show a declining population? The libs would be wringing their hands about how to institute special programs to encourage their survival.