Swastika On Joseph's Tomb in Nablus

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Vandals painted two swastikas on Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus, the IDF reported on Thursday.

Soldiers discovered the swastikas when they went to the tomb on Wednesday night to prepare for the arrival of worshipers to the tomb in advance of Yom Kippur.

The IDF painted over the graffiti before the pilgrims arrived, but the vandalism was still evident and settlers publicized the incident, which comes after an arson attack on a mosque in the Beduin village of Tuba Zanghariya in the Upper Galilee.

In response to the vandalism at Joseph’s Tomb, right-wing politicians, settler leaders and activists called on the government to take back sovereignty in Nablus, which is located on the site of the biblical city of Shechem
Swastikas left at Joseph
 
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cause they're such good caretakers of jewish and christian religious sites

funny how when israel has dominion over religious sites they are open and available for people to visit...

the PA can't manage to even protect Jewish sites.
 
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IF this were just one isolated thing we could put it down to just one or two crazies. But this is part of a persistant pattern. It doesn't' help that the PA TV service is mentally ill and encourages this kind of thing.
 
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IF this were just one isolated thing we could put it down to just one or two crazies. But this is part of a persistant pattern. It doesn't' help that the PA TV service is mentally ill and encourages this kind of thing.
what do you expect of people who bring you this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzlFPm7bymY]Micky Mouse Teaches Kids To Commit Terrorism - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Those who wish to perform genocide are never quiet about what they are doing.

Only the people watching and supporting it...

That's why silence is the great killer, not fear.
 
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Those who wish to perform genocide are never quiet about what they are doing.

Only the people watching and supporting it...

That's why silence is the great killer, not fear.
yes. but so is paranoia and bitterness.

you can't let the one cause the other.
 

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Indeed. This is why facts are important. I follow facts. I share my facts as they show intentions.

I see their (swastika placers) intentions. Factually. Just as you see their (above) intentions. Regardless if one of them told you they didn't mean it. :)

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Ignorance is defeated by facts and logic. Remember Jillian. One is a Swastika on the tomb and the other is a casting of a biased bigotry laid on a person. Because this person, who did this is not so easily to be believed if he said he didn't mean it as anti-Semitic bigotry after he was caught posting Shlomo right after Sunni Man called me Shlomo...

D'oh. Yeah, OK jillian, believe who and what you want.

Would you believe one of those guys who placed the swastika if they were caught and told you that they didn't mean it?

Oh, right, that one would not be your friend who called another Jew a Shlomo.

But in a nice Non Bigoted way?

:cuckoo:

You stand to post this clear bigotry but crawl when your buddy does his own clear and biased bigotry.

So I simply post my distaste of this clear hypocrisy. Sooner or later I'll get tired of it and move on.
 
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Sometimes I have no clue how to respond... if I post something regarding the initiated topic sometimes the wording could be misinterpreted to coincide with the interruptive spats... :(

So.... I just ask... Who was Joseph in his life (according to them) that they would do such a thing so boastfully?
 

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So.... I just ask... Who was Joseph in his life (according to them) that they would do such a thing so boastfully?
Joseph's Tomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Modern scholarship has yet to determine whether or not the present cenotaph is to be identified with the ancient Biblical gravesite. No Jewish or Christian sources prior to the 5th century mention the tomb, and the structure originally erected over it appears to have been built by the Samaritans, for whom it was probably a sacred site.
Joseph’s Tomb is located in the heart of Nablus, in the Palestinian Authority-controlled West Bank. Conflicting views exist as to whether or not the patriarch Joseph was buried there; nevertheless, the tomb is recognized as a Jewish shrine, albeit a minor one. According to Jewish tradition, Joseph was buried in the biblical town of Shechem, which is near the present-day city of Nablus. Some archeologists believe that the site is only a few centuries old and may contain the remains of a Muslim sheikh named Yossef.

^ How it looks today.

Joseph’s Tomb
 
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However, according to the ones who vandalized the site, he may have represented something other than what we know him to, or they even have their own understanding about the tomb, which isn't verified.

Remember, too, the swastika was adopted by the hierarchy of Germany... it was a symbol used before the Nazis. I clicked the link Jillian provided and it didn't come up. I am under an impression, no one has discussed it with the vandals well enough to print what they had to say about their work?
 
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However, according to the ones who vandalized the site, he may have represented something other than what we know him to, or they even have their own understanding about the tomb, which isn't verified.

Remember, too, the swastika was adopted by the hierarchy of Germany... it was a symbol used before the Nazis. I clicked the link Jillian provided and it didn't come up. I am under an impression, no one has discussed it with the vandals well enough to print what they had to say about their work?
The link came up for me. So, you think it may have been left as a decoration with no bad intentions 1mellisa3?
 

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History of the Maltese Cross


The badge of a fireman is the Maltese Cross. This Maltese Cross is a symbol of protection and a badge of honor. Its story is hundreds of years old.

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When a courageous band of crusaders known as the Knights of St. John, fought the Saracens for possession of the holy land, they encountered a new weapon unknown to European warriors. It was a simple, but a horrible device of war, it wrought excruciating pain and agonizing death upon the brave fighters for the cross. The Saracen's weapon was fire.

As the crusaders advanced on the walls of the city, they were struck by glass bombs containing naphtha. When they became saturated with the highly flammable liquid, the Saracens hurled a flaming torch into their midst. Hundreds of the knights were burned alive; others risked their lives to save their brothers-in-arms from dying painful, fiery deaths.

Thus, these men became our first firemen and the first of a long list of courageous firefighters. Their heroic efforts were recognized by fellow crusaders who awarded each here a badge of honor - a cross similar to the one firemen wear today. Since the Knights of St. John lived for close to four centuries on a little island in the Mediterranean Sea named Malta, the cross came to be known as the Maltese Cross.

The Maltese Cross is your symbol of protection. It means that the fireman who wears this cross is willing to lay down his life for you just as the crusaders sacrificed their lives for their fellow man so many years ago. The Maltese Cross is a fireman's badge of honor, signifying that he works in courage - a ladder rung away from death.

How Dangerous is the Swastika?

Dan Desjardin

Since 1945 the swastika has been banned in Germany, where symbols, songs, pictures, slogans and even greetings associated with the Hitler era can earn the offender a stiff fine or even a prison term.

Of course the swastika was hardly unique to Third Reich Germany. Centuries before Hitler adopted it as the symbol of his political movement and, later, of the state, it was familiar around the globe. It was used by the ancient Hellenes and Celts, and displayed by North American Indians, while in India it was revered as a sign of good fortune and prosperity. The word itself comes from the Sanskrit for "well-being."

source:
How Dangerous is the Swastika?

Ending with an interesting point:
If censoring the swastika emblem from model kits inhibits the resurrection of National Socialism or "fascism," why hasn't a similar ban on authentic markings been imposed on model kits of Second World War Soviet or Japanese aircraft, warships and military vehicles? Perhaps no one believes there's any danger of a resurrection of Soviet Communism or Japanese imperialism.

An 'inhibition of resurrection' being a most fitting term, perhaps, considering....
 

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^ You never answered my question 1melissa3. Just a bunch of copy and paste vapidity.

Do you think the swastikas were left as a decoration with no bad intentions?

You might want to encase your post in quotes to follow site rules.
 
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However, according to the ones who vandalized the site, he may have represented something other than what we know him to, or they even have their own understanding about the tomb, which isn't verified.

Remember, too, the swastika was adopted by the hierarchy of Germany... it was a symbol used before the Nazis. I clicked the link Jillian provided and it didn't come up. I am under an impression, no one has discussed it with the vandals well enough to print what they had to say about their work?
The link came up for me. So, you think it may have been left as a decoration with no bad intentions 1mellisa3?

To the contrary... I really would refrain from making any assumptions as to what their intentions could have been. It isn't pretty even if they were manipulated puppets of the deeper seated. As I ended above, it is part of a system of symbols that possibly is referring to something to some that isn't common: a type of insurrectable death.
 

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1melissa3 said:
"However, according to the ones who vandalized the site, he may have represented something other than what we know him to, or they even have their own understanding about the tomb, which isn't verified."
You made the assumption that it could very well be decorative but are unwilling to look at the other side of the assumption.

You are one sided in your assumptions.

:lol:
 

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^ You never answered my question 1melissa3. Just a bunch of copy and paste vapidity.

Do you think the swastikas were left as a decoration with no bad intentions?

You might want to encase your post in quotes to follow site rules.
I apologize, but I had posted that at the same time you were asking and missed the ability to quote at that time.

I hope that if this bothers you so much, Ropey, you will look further into who the vandals were and what they stand for, as well as potential uncovered history of the site, as it is, again, unverified to be Joseph's. There's rumors other may rest there... It may not have been a symbol meant for Joseph at all. Appearances can be very deceiving and in so many cases (like, potentially this one) personal emotions influence our thinking when we only know *just enough* to be provoked.
 

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1melissa3 said:
"However, according to the ones who vandalized the site, he may have represented something other than what we know him to, or they even have their own understanding about the tomb, which isn't verified."
You made the assumption that it could very well be decorative but are unwilling to look at the other side of the assumption.

You are one sided in your assumptions.

:lol:
I apologize, it just seems the other side is so well handled by others. *hearts* I will make an attempt to do better in connecting with what matters to you when I am responding to you.
 

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^ You never answered my question 1melissa3. Just a bunch of copy and paste vapidity.

Do you think the swastikas were left as a decoration with no bad intentions?

You might want to encase your post in quotes to follow site rules.
I apologize, but I had posted that at the same time you were asking and missed the ability to quote at that time.

I hope that if this bothers you so much, Ropey, you will look further into who the vandals were and what they stand for, as well as potential uncovered history of the site, as it is, again, unverified to be Joseph's. There's rumors other may rest there... It may not have been a symbol meant for Joseph at all. Appearances can be very deceiving and in so many cases (like, potentially this one) personal emotions influence our thinking when we only know *just enough* to be provoked.
Yes, it may have been just a nice decoration left for love 1melissa3. OK. :)
 

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