Surprise >.. NOT unemployment readjusted now up to 8.3

[Papageorgio]

Jesus ******* Christ people! The economy is improving. It's Christmas. Celebrate both the economy improving and the Hallmark Holiday known as Christmas. Spend goddammit!!!!! We are a consumer driven economy.

I disagreed with Bush when he said it back in 2001 and liberals went after him for it and I disagree with it now. People need to save and after they get enough saved up to live at least six months worth of savings, then they go ahead and spend. It is a wise thing to do, it would help everyone avoid another 2008 melt down.

 

[mudwhistle]

Jesus ******* Christ people! The economy is improving. It's Christmas. Celebrate both the economy improving and the Hallmark Holiday known as Christmas. Spend goddammit!!!!! We are a consumer driven economy.

Can I borrow $20 bucks?

 

[Papageorgio]

So tell us specifically what law or laws did the Dems pass over the GOP filibusters and Bush's vetos, and the dates of their signing, that caused the downturn from the GOP policies that were already in effect.


The answer, or lack thereof, should be very revealing!!!

One of the biggest laws they passed was a hike in minimum wage. They were allowed to shove it through by attaching it to an Iraq war funding bill. Democrats also extended unemployment benefits. These two bills did a lot of the damage. When the problems that they wrought became apparent they refused to act.

Bush implored the Dems not to pass protest bills but meaningful legislation that would fix the problems that we faced. Instead the Dems passed transgender discrimination laws.

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

Minimum wage laws help create more unemployment and make certain classes of people unemployable, it was done by design by Progressives many years ago.

 

[mudwhistle]

Jesus ******* Christ people! The economy is improving. It's Christmas. Celebrate both the economy improving and the Hallmark Holiday known as Christmas. Spend goddammit!!!!! We are a consumer driven economy.

I disagreed with Bush when he said it back in 2011 and liberals went after him for it and I disagree with it now. People need to save and after they get enough saved up to live at least six months worth of savings, then they go ahead and spend. It is a wise thing to do, it would help everyone avoid another 2008 melt down.

Bush wanted us to spend.......Obama wants to take our spending money away.

So who do you think was trying to encourage growth?

 

[Papageorgio]

Jesus ******* Christ people! The economy is improving. It's Christmas. Celebrate both the economy improving and the Hallmark Holiday known as Christmas. Spend goddammit!!!!! We are a consumer driven economy.

I disagreed with Bush when he said it back in 2011 and liberals went after him for it and I disagree with it now. People need to save and after they get enough saved up to live at least six months worth of savings, then they go ahead and spend. It is a wise thing to do, it would help everyone avoid another 2008 melt down.

Bush wanted us to spend.......Obama wants to take our spending money away.

So who do you think was trying to encourage growth?

I understand the intent, but that didn't make it a good idea.

 

[mudwhistle]

So tell us specifically what law or laws did the Dems pass over the GOP filibusters and Bush's vetos, and the dates of their signing, that caused the downturn from the GOP policies that were already in effect.


The answer, or lack thereof, should be very revealing!!!

One of the biggest laws they passed was a hike in minimum wage. They were allowed to shove it through by attaching it to an Iraq war funding bill. Democrats also extended unemployment benefits. These two bills did a lot of the damage. When the problems that they wrought became apparent they refused to act.

Bush implored the Dems not to pass protest bills but meaningful legislation that would fix the problems that we faced. Instead the Dems passed transgender discrimination laws.

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

 

[rightwinger]

One of the biggest laws they passed was a hike in minimum wage. They were allowed to shove it through by attaching it to an Iraq war funding bill. Democrats also extended unemployment benefits. These two bills did a lot of the damage. When the problems that they wrought became apparent they refused to act.

Bush implored the Dems not to pass protest bills but meaningful legislation that would fix the problems that we faced. Instead the Dems passed transgender discrimination laws.

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

All time low for conservatives

Rather than blame rampant speculation from a deregulated financial sector.....blame it on minimum wage workers

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Uh, Gallup doesn't determine the UE rate; the Bureau of Labor Statistics does.

OH so now Gallop doesn't determine the unemployment rate? When gallop is low it suits you when the obama's labor department is low it suits you. Make up your retarded mind.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

All time low for conservatives

Rather than blame rampant speculation from a deregulated financial sector.....blame it on minimum wage workers

Some people love inventing martyrs.

 

[edthecynic]

One of the biggest laws they passed was a hike in minimum wage. They were allowed to shove it through by attaching it to an Iraq war funding bill. Democrats also extended unemployment benefits. These two bills did a lot of the damage. When the problems that they wrought became apparent they refused to act.

Bush implored the Dems not to pass protest bills but meaningful legislation that would fix the problems that we faced. Instead the Dems passed transgender discrimination laws.

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

In case you forgot, the Dems held nothing hostage! The original supplimental aid to the Iraq war bill which had no MW rider was vetoed by Bush and the follow up bill which had the MW rider was filibustered by the GOP in the Senate until it had Bush's $4.84 billion in tax cuts for businesses affected by the MW increase.

So again we see that no bills passed the 2007 and 2008 Dem Congress without the full and complete support of Bush and the GOP Senate.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

In case you forgot, the Dems held nothing hostage! The original supplimental aid to the Iraq war bill which had no MW rider was vetoed by Bush and the follow up bill which had the MW rider was filibustered by the GOP in the Senate until it had Bush's $4.84 billion in tax cuts for businesses affected by the MW increase.

So again we see that no bills passed the 2007 and 2008 Dem Congress without the full and complete support of Bush and the GOP Senate.

So you're saying that raising the MW didn't cost jobs?

Who's idea was it?

 

[Papageorgio]

The Dems could not shove anything through the GOPs filibuster power and Bush's veto pen especially the .70 increase in minimum wage in 2007 and 2008. To get the law passed the Dems had to allow more Bush tax cuts that he demanded and the GOP Senate backed up with a filibuster of the bill without Bush's tax cuts. And unemployment benefits get extended only when unemployment exceeds a certain level first, so their extension is the result of established GOP policy and not the cause of unemployment.


But at least you tried to answer, I'll give you that much.

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

In case you forgot, the Dems held nothing hostage! The original supplimental aid to the Iraq war bill which had no MW rider was vetoed by Bush and the follow up bill which had the MW rider was filibustered by the GOP in the Senate until it had Bush's $4.84 billion in tax cuts for businesses affected by the MW increase.

So again we see that no bills passed the 2007 and 2008 Dem Congress without the full and complete support of Bush and the GOP Senate.

So you can't answer my questions.

Interesting.

 

[edthecynic]

When he took office in Jan, 2001 there were 135,999,000 employed. When he left office his last full month, Dec., 2008 143,338,000 were employed. That was a gain of 7 million, 339 thousand jobs. Today, 4 years later under Obama employment is at 143,262,000, a net loss of 76,000 jobs since Obama took office 4 years ago.

When Bush took office the end of Jan 2001 there were 137,778,000
employed and when he left office the end of Jan 2009 there were 142,187,000 employed for an increase of 5,409,000. However during that same period the unemployed went from 6,023,000 to 12,049,000 an increase of 6,026,000 jobs lost giving a net job loss of 615,000 over his 8 years.

Obama started with 142,187,000 and is at 143,262,000 for a gain of 1,075,000. The unemployed during the same period went from 12,049,000 to 12,029,000 a decrease of 20,000 for a net job increase of 1,095,000.

Do you have a link to the numbers? Not that I distrust you, however numbers can be skewed. When you speak of unemployed, are you speaking of those that are still receiving unemployment or the real unemployment, which is much higher.

We need 135,000 new jobs a month to keep pace with unemployment, that means that means we needed to add 6,480,000 jobs just to keep pace, your numbers show 1,075,000 added, that leaves a short fall of 5,405,000 jobs, yet unemployment is going down?

The numbers are not adding up.

Those numbers are the adjusted numbers which make Bush look better and Obama worse than the unadjusted numbers.


Table A-1. Employment status of the civilian population by sex and age


The rest of your post is bullshit. If you remember, when Bush was trying to privatize SS he told us that once the Boomers start retiring more people will be retiring than new workers entering the workforce, so your info is outdated. No "new" jobs are needed to keep pace with unemployment.

 

[edthecynic]

In case you forgot......the Dems held funding the war hostage with the MW increase.

You claim the GOP stops everything bad that the Dems try to do, but I think it's become clear that many Republicans think similar to Democrats when it comes to spending. They just don't go for the free rubbers, spreading the wealth, and all of the race-baiting that Al Sharpton and company practice.

In case you forgot, the Dems held nothing hostage! The original supplimental aid to the Iraq war bill which had no MW rider was vetoed by Bush and the follow up bill which had the MW rider was filibustered by the GOP in the Senate until it had Bush's $4.84 billion in tax cuts for businesses affected by the MW increase.

So again we see that no bills passed the 2007 and 2008 Dem Congress without the full and complete support of Bush and the GOP Senate.

So you're saying that raising the MW didn't cost jobs?

Who's idea was it?

Raising the MW increases jobs, which is why the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood is against it.


A higher minimum wage boosts workers’ incomes which increases demand and reduces turnover. The boost in demand and reduction in turnover provided by a minimum wage counteracts the higher wage costs and leads to job growth slightly above the national average.


Since it is a good idea you know it didn't come from the GOP!

 

[ABikerSailor]

Of course we all know Obama knew this so did the left and most of the media but they had to get the messiah re elected

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, was 7.8% for the month of November, up significantly from 7.0% for October. Gallup's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate is 8.3%, nearly a one-point increase over October's rate.

U.S. Unadjusted Unemployment Shoots Back Up

Yeah..............sure...............trust the least reliable polls when you think it supports your bullshit position.

What does Nate Silver (the most accurate poll this election) have to say?

 

[mudwhistle]

In case you forgot, the Dems held nothing hostage! The original supplimental aid to the Iraq war bill which had no MW rider was vetoed by Bush and the follow up bill which had the MW rider was filibustered by the GOP in the Senate until it had Bush's $4.84 billion in tax cuts for businesses affected by the MW increase.

So again we see that no bills passed the 2007 and 2008 Dem Congress without the full and complete support of Bush and the GOP Senate.

So you're saying that raising the MW didn't cost jobs?

Who's idea was it?

Raising the MW increases jobs, which is why the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood is against it.


A higher minimum wage boosts workers’ incomes which increases demand and reduces turnover. The boost in demand and reduction in turnover provided by a minimum wage counteracts the higher wage costs and leads to job growth slightly above the national average.


Since it is a good idea you know it didn't come from the GOP!

For several posts you seemed like a rational person but you start in with your typical CON$ervoFascist stereotypical babbling and you lose it.

 

[edthecynic]

So you're saying that raising the MW didn't cost jobs?

Who's idea was it?

Raising the MW increases jobs, which is why the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood is against it.


A higher minimum wage boosts workers’ incomes which increases demand and reduces turnover. The boost in demand and reduction in turnover provided by a minimum wage counteracts the higher wage costs and leads to job growth slightly above the national average.


Since it is a good idea you know it didn't come from the GOP!

For several posts you seemed like a rational person but you start in with your typical CON$ervoFascist stereotypical babbling and you lose it.

You never seem like a rational person.

 

[mudwhistle]

Raising the MW increases jobs, which is why the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood is against it.


A higher minimum wage boosts workers’ incomes which increases demand and reduces turnover. The boost in demand and reduction in turnover provided by a minimum wage counteracts the higher wage costs and leads to job growth slightly above the national average.


Since it is a good idea you know it didn't come from the GOP!

For several posts you seemed like a rational person but you start in with your typical CON$ervoFascist stereotypical babbling and you lose it.

You never seem like a rational person.

And the crazy think they're sane.

 

[edthecynic]

For several posts you seemed like a rational person but you start in with your typical CON$ervoFascist stereotypical babbling and you lose it.

You never seem like a rational person.

And the crazy think they're sane.

You're proof of that.
You obviously feel the need to divert this thread.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm still wondering how a poll taken by Gallup can be more "accurate" than those people who actually get the numbers and crunch the real stats.