Still Seeking the “Big Rock Candy Mountain.”

I didn't vote in the last election I could not vote for either without holding my nose. I'm 90 years old never supported one president even those I voted for.
 
What are the Republicans afraid will be found by the investigation?



The truth. They seem to experience severe allergic reactions to the truth.
----------- PC too

May be an image of 2 people and text that says 'Raise your hand if you'd like to see Kevin McCarthy testify under oath for 11 straight hours to explain his January 6th phone calls with Donald Trump! CALL TO ACTIVISM''Raise your hand if you'd like to see Kevin McCarthy testify under oath for 11 straight hours to explain his January 6th phone calls with Donald Trump! CALL TO ACTIVISM''Raise your hand if you'd like to see Kevin McCarthy testify under oath for 11 straight hours to explain his January 6th phone calls with Donald Trump! CALL TO ACTIVISM''Raise your hand if you'd like to see Kevin McCarthy testify under oath for 11 straight hours to explain his January 6th phone calls with Donald Trump! CALL TO ACTIVISM'

He forced Hillary to testify for over 11 hours so I think that time frame would be just about right.



It isn't an investigation.....it's simply more indoctrination for your sort of simpleton.


Every day hammer the ‘January 6th Insurrection’ into the consciousness of the American public while erasing the hundreds of riots by Biden voters throughout they yearlong runup to the election.


And you bought it like it was on sale.

There is a slight difference.
The daily reality of abusive police is obvious and everyone should be concerned.
The claims of election fraud are far less credible or crucial.
 
The basis for voting Democrat.


1.The desire to have others support and cosset them from cradle to grave may be the strongest motivation for Leftists. It sure beats working for what you have. A corollary of the search is that someone else is preventing you from succeeding, getting all that you deserve, and those who stand in your way must be punished….from ridicule, censorship, right up to and including murder.

The above is at the heart of the views of Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats.



2. On this date, May 27th, we observe one of the earliest Democrats….Liberals….socialists.

“François-Noël Babeuf, byname Gracchus Babeuf, (born November 23, 1760, Saint-Quentin, France—died May 27, 1797, Vendôme), early political journalist and agitator in Revolutionary France whose tactical strategies provided a model for left-wing movements of the 19th century and who was called Gracchus for the resemblance of his proposed agrarian reforms to those of the 2nd-century-BC Roman statesman of that name.”
Britannica.com
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3. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.



4. For Babeuf, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”



5. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006


A vote for a Democrat means you really believe that there is a 'Big Rock Candy Mountain.'

Sorry, but this is wrong.
First of all, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats, Anarchists, etc. are all completely different.
Fascists and Nazis are right wing groups who believe in trickle down from the wealthy elite.
Liberals and progressives just believe in fair and equal protection of individual rights.
Socialists believe you can save money by starting publicly owned companies.
Communists believe all means of production need to be publicly owned companies to prevent abuse by private employers.
Anarchist wrap around so far to the left, they essentially are identical to extreme right wing Libertarians.
And democrats are not necessarily any of the above.
They are whatever seems to be what will gain the most votes this election.

None of the economic or political theories believe in something for nothing.
They all believe everyone should have to work for what they get and use in life.
The different goals are just to try to make things more fair.
To prevent monopolies of the means of production.



You should be sorry....

...I'm never wrong.

So you don't want to discuss any points?
Are you really going to just claim the left wing is trying to just sell a pie in the sky, giveaway?
Tell me how you would prevent historic abuses, like child labor, monopolies, company towns, etc.?
Rigby5, I will give you that democrat policies have helped in the past. I'm willing to admit that FDR kept people from starving. I am however, having difficulties seeing what the modern democrats want to accomplish. It was nice of democrats to want to help single mothers, but they created a system that did tremendous harm. Since the 60's the war on poverty has made things worse instead of better. The family unit has been replaced by single parent + government in many cases. I think most reasonable people want the same things. Clean environment, no child labor, no monopolies, ect. People will never agree on guns and abortion, but on most other things, good policy is good policy. It does seem like pie in the sky is the current agenda. The ACA made things worse for a majority of people. With medicare and medicaid, universal systems made no sense. It is great you want to help people, but why create universal care with systems already in place for the poor? Paying people not to work doesn't make sense, paying people to have children doesn't make sense, having people that pay no income taxes getting thousands of dollars every tax time doesn't make sense, telling people they don't have to pay their student loans doesn't make sense, paying healthcare to illegal immigrants doesn't make sense, and neither does legalizing large numbers of criminal activites. I can see some argument for minimum wage increase, but to double it rapidly seemed like a sure way to kill small businesses. Oh, raising corporate taxes so companies don't want to do business in the US doesn't make sense either. It sounds nice for the government to take action for the 'common good', but the current actions on the agenda don't seem to accomplish any FDR type goal. I'll admit Lindsy Graham, the Turtle, and most of the rest with R's after their names are corrupt lifers if you can concede that Pelosi, Nadler, and the Squad don't really have Americans best interest in mind. Washington just want to syphon money, get summer homes and offshore accounts, and funnel some of the money back as bribes to get re-elected. I don't think it is R vs D anymore, now I think we are squarely in citizen vs corrupt government, and citizens are losing.
 
The basis for voting Democrat.


1.The desire to have others support and cosset them from cradle to grave may be the strongest motivation for Leftists. It sure beats working for what you have. A corollary of the search is that someone else is preventing you from succeeding, getting all that you deserve, and those who stand in your way must be punished….from ridicule, censorship, right up to and including murder.

The above is at the heart of the views of Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats.



2. On this date, May 27th, we observe one of the earliest Democrats….Liberals….socialists.

“François-Noël Babeuf, byname Gracchus Babeuf, (born November 23, 1760, Saint-Quentin, France—died May 27, 1797, Vendôme), early political journalist and agitator in Revolutionary France whose tactical strategies provided a model for left-wing movements of the 19th century and who was called Gracchus for the resemblance of his proposed agrarian reforms to those of the 2nd-century-BC Roman statesman of that name.”
Britannica.com
View attachment 494225

3. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.



4. For Babeuf, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”



5. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006


A vote for a Democrat means you really believe that there is a 'Big Rock Candy Mountain.'

Sorry, but this is wrong.
First of all, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats, Anarchists, etc. are all completely different.
Fascists and Nazis are right wing groups who believe in trickle down from the wealthy elite.
Liberals and progressives just believe in fair and equal protection of individual rights.
Socialists believe you can save money by starting publicly owned companies.
Communists believe all means of production need to be publicly owned companies to prevent abuse by private employers.
Anarchist wrap around so far to the left, they essentially are identical to extreme right wing Libertarians.
And democrats are not necessarily any of the above.
They are whatever seems to be what will gain the most votes this election.

None of the economic or political theories believe in something for nothing.
They all believe everyone should have to work for what they get and use in life.
The different goals are just to try to make things more fair.
To prevent monopolies of the means of production.



You should be sorry....

...I'm never wrong.

So you don't want to discuss any points?
Are you really going to just claim the left wing is trying to just sell a pie in the sky, giveaway?
Tell me how you would prevent historic abuses, like child labor, monopolies, company towns, etc.?
Rigby5, I will give you that democrat policies have helped in the past. I'm willing to admit that FDR kept people from starving. I am however, having difficulties seeing what the modern democrats want to accomplish. It was nice of democrats to want to help single mothers, but they created a system that did tremendous harm. Since the 60's the war on poverty has made things worse instead of better. The family unit has been replaced by single parent + government in many cases. I think most reasonable people want the same things. Clean environment, no child labor, no monopolies, ect. People will never agree on guns and abortion, but on most other things, good policy is good policy. It does seem like pie in the sky is the current agenda. The ACA made things worse for a majority of people. With medicare and medicaid, universal systems made no sense. It is great you want to help people, but why create universal care with systems already in place for the poor? Paying people not to work doesn't make sense, paying people to have children doesn't make sense, having people that pay no income taxes getting thousands of dollars every tax time doesn't make sense, telling people they don't have to pay their student loans doesn't make sense, paying healthcare to illegal immigrants doesn't make sense, and neither does legalizing large numbers of criminal activites. I can see some argument for minimum wage increase, but to double it rapidly seemed like a sure way to kill small businesses. Oh, raising corporate taxes so companies don't want to do business in the US doesn't make sense either. It sounds nice for the government to take action for the 'common good', but the current actions on the agenda don't seem to accomplish any FDR type goal. I'll admit Lindsy Graham, the Turtle, and most of the rest with R's after their names are corrupt lifers if you can concede that Pelosi, Nadler, and the Squad don't really have Americans best interest in mind. Washington just want to syphon money, get summer homes and offshore accounts, and funnel some of the money back as bribes to get re-elected. I don't think it is R vs D anymore, now I think we are squarely in citizen vs corrupt government, and citizens are losing.

I do not really disagree, except with health care.
Even though we have Medicare and Medicaid for the poor, private health insurance is awful.
It means you have to prepay and lose all ability to negotiate over quality or price.
Buying insurance is not a good way to do anything.
And health care costs over twice what it should.
Employers should not be involved in health care.
You lose your coverage when you change jobs, and it makes our goods too expensive.
 

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fact.
Get your hand out of your diaper and have an attendant clean you up.

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stolen.

lol....


donny is a loooooooooooossssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr.................................................................................................................................................................................................

fact.
Get your hand out of your diaper and have an attendant clean you up.

Fer christs sake...

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I didn't tell you to lick it, I said have an attendant clean the shit off your hand...
 
The basis for voting Democrat.


1.The desire to have others support and cosset them from cradle to grave may be the strongest motivation for Leftists. It sure beats working for what you have. A corollary of the search is that someone else is preventing you from succeeding, getting all that you deserve, and those who stand in your way must be punished….from ridicule, censorship, right up to and including murder.

The above is at the heart of the views of Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats.



2. On this date, May 27th, we observe one of the earliest Democrats….Liberals….socialists.

“François-Noël Babeuf, byname Gracchus Babeuf, (born November 23, 1760, Saint-Quentin, France—died May 27, 1797, Vendôme), early political journalist and agitator in Revolutionary France whose tactical strategies provided a model for left-wing movements of the 19th century and who was called Gracchus for the resemblance of his proposed agrarian reforms to those of the 2nd-century-BC Roman statesman of that name.”
Britannica.com
View attachment 494225

3. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.



4. For Babeuf, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”



5. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006


A vote for a Democrat means you really believe that there is a 'Big Rock Candy Mountain.'

Sorry, but this is wrong.
First of all, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats, Anarchists, etc. are all completely different.
Fascists and Nazis are right wing groups who believe in trickle down from the wealthy elite.
Liberals and progressives just believe in fair and equal protection of individual rights.
Socialists believe you can save money by starting publicly owned companies.
Communists believe all means of production need to be publicly owned companies to prevent abuse by private employers.
Anarchist wrap around so far to the left, they essentially are identical to extreme right wing Libertarians.
And democrats are not necessarily any of the above.
They are whatever seems to be what will gain the most votes this election.

None of the economic or political theories believe in something for nothing.
They all believe everyone should have to work for what they get and use in life.
The different goals are just to try to make things more fair.
To prevent monopolies of the means of production.



You should be sorry....

...I'm never wrong.

So you don't want to discuss any points?
Are you really going to just claim the left wing is trying to just sell a pie in the sky, giveaway?
Tell me how you would prevent historic abuses, like child labor, monopolies, company towns, etc.?
Rigby5, I will give you that democrat policies have helped in the past. I'm willing to admit that FDR kept people from starving. I am however, having difficulties seeing what the modern democrats want to accomplish. It was nice of democrats to want to help single mothers, but they created a system that did tremendous harm. Since the 60's the war on poverty has made things worse instead of better. The family unit has been replaced by single parent + government in many cases. I think most reasonable people want the same things. Clean environment, no child labor, no monopolies, ect. People will never agree on guns and abortion, but on most other things, good policy is good policy. It does seem like pie in the sky is the current agenda. The ACA made things worse for a majority of people. With medicare and medicaid, universal systems made no sense. It is great you want to help people, but why create universal care with systems already in place for the poor? Paying people not to work doesn't make sense, paying people to have children doesn't make sense, having people that pay no income taxes getting thousands of dollars every tax time doesn't make sense, telling people they don't have to pay their student loans doesn't make sense, paying healthcare to illegal immigrants doesn't make sense, and neither does legalizing large numbers of criminal activites. I can see some argument for minimum wage increase, but to double it rapidly seemed like a sure way to kill small businesses. Oh, raising corporate taxes so companies don't want to do business in the US doesn't make sense either. It sounds nice for the government to take action for the 'common good', but the current actions on the agenda don't seem to accomplish any FDR type goal. I'll admit Lindsy Graham, the Turtle, and most of the rest with R's after their names are corrupt lifers if you can concede that Pelosi, Nadler, and the Squad don't really have Americans best interest in mind. Washington just want to syphon money, get summer homes and offshore accounts, and funnel some of the money back as bribes to get re-elected. I don't think it is R vs D anymore, now I think we are squarely in citizen vs corrupt government, and citizens are losing.


"Rigby5, I will give you that democrat policies have helped in the past. I'm willing to admit that FDR kept people from starving."


Let me correct two things right off the start.

The current neo-Marxist party is not the party that ever....EVER.....helped America.



And there was never any threat of starvation in America at any time.


According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –


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They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.





Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks


Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."





 
The basis for voting Democrat.


1.The desire to have others support and cosset them from cradle to grave may be the strongest motivation for Leftists. It sure beats working for what you have. A corollary of the search is that someone else is preventing you from succeeding, getting all that you deserve, and those who stand in your way must be punished….from ridicule, censorship, right up to and including murder.

The above is at the heart of the views of Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats.



2. On this date, May 27th, we observe one of the earliest Democrats….Liberals….socialists.

“François-Noël Babeuf, byname Gracchus Babeuf, (born November 23, 1760, Saint-Quentin, France—died May 27, 1797, Vendôme), early political journalist and agitator in Revolutionary France whose tactical strategies provided a model for left-wing movements of the 19th century and who was called Gracchus for the resemblance of his proposed agrarian reforms to those of the 2nd-century-BC Roman statesman of that name.”
Britannica.com
View attachment 494225

3. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.



4. For Babeuf, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”



5. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006


A vote for a Democrat means you really believe that there is a 'Big Rock Candy Mountain.'

Sorry, but this is wrong.
First of all, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats, Anarchists, etc. are all completely different.
Fascists and Nazis are right wing groups who believe in trickle down from the wealthy elite.
Liberals and progressives just believe in fair and equal protection of individual rights.
Socialists believe you can save money by starting publicly owned companies.
Communists believe all means of production need to be publicly owned companies to prevent abuse by private employers.
Anarchist wrap around so far to the left, they essentially are identical to extreme right wing Libertarians.
And democrats are not necessarily any of the above.
They are whatever seems to be what will gain the most votes this election.

None of the economic or political theories believe in something for nothing.
They all believe everyone should have to work for what they get and use in life.
The different goals are just to try to make things more fair.
To prevent monopolies of the means of production.



You should be sorry....

...I'm never wrong.

So you don't want to discuss any points?
Are you really going to just claim the left wing is trying to just sell a pie in the sky, giveaway?
Tell me how you would prevent historic abuses, like child labor, monopolies, company towns, etc.?
Rigby5, I will give you that democrat policies have helped in the past. I'm willing to admit that FDR kept people from starving. I am however, having difficulties seeing what the modern democrats want to accomplish. It was nice of democrats to want to help single mothers, but they created a system that did tremendous harm. Since the 60's the war on poverty has made things worse instead of better. The family unit has been replaced by single parent + government in many cases. I think most reasonable people want the same things. Clean environment, no child labor, no monopolies, ect. People will never agree on guns and abortion, but on most other things, good policy is good policy. It does seem like pie in the sky is the current agenda. The ACA made things worse for a majority of people. With medicare and medicaid, universal systems made no sense. It is great you want to help people, but why create universal care with systems already in place for the poor? Paying people not to work doesn't make sense, paying people to have children doesn't make sense, having people that pay no income taxes getting thousands of dollars every tax time doesn't make sense, telling people they don't have to pay their student loans doesn't make sense, paying healthcare to illegal immigrants doesn't make sense, and neither does legalizing large numbers of criminal activites. I can see some argument for minimum wage increase, but to double it rapidly seemed like a sure way to kill small businesses. Oh, raising corporate taxes so companies don't want to do business in the US doesn't make sense either. It sounds nice for the government to take action for the 'common good', but the current actions on the agenda don't seem to accomplish any FDR type goal. I'll admit Lindsy Graham, the Turtle, and most of the rest with R's after their names are corrupt lifers if you can concede that Pelosi, Nadler, and the Squad don't really have Americans best interest in mind. Washington just want to syphon money, get summer homes and offshore accounts, and funnel some of the money back as bribes to get re-elected. I don't think it is R vs D anymore, now I think we are squarely in citizen vs corrupt government, and citizens are losing.



May I offer one more disagreement....a quite large one.

It is an enormous error to give FDR credit for any improvement in the recession/depression.

His policies increased same, and made it last some 7 years longer than it should have.

The only way to read the effects of FDR's policies is that he untended to use the crisis to obviate the Constitution and give him the powers of his idol, Stalin.



Now, listen, I've listened to this Harry - now this thing has been tried for seven successive years, and we ' ve still got twelve million unemployed. I want to point out - you're all Just as much interested in Mr. Roosevelt as I am - before you launch this thing, I think you're opening yourselves to an attack that we' ve had seven years of deficits, seven years of increasing the thing, and we're just where we were seven years ago."

Morgenthau, 1939


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"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."

Morgenthau, Henry, Jr. (May 9, 1939). Henry Morgenthau Diary, Microfilm Roll #50 (PDF, 1.9 MB).

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.







"FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"

 
The basis for voting Democrat.


1.The desire to have others support and cosset them from cradle to grave may be the strongest motivation for Leftists. It sure beats working for what you have. A corollary of the search is that someone else is preventing you from succeeding, getting all that you deserve, and those who stand in your way must be punished….from ridicule, censorship, right up to and including murder.

The above is at the heart of the views of Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats.



2. On this date, May 27th, we observe one of the earliest Democrats….Liberals….socialists.

“François-Noël Babeuf, byname Gracchus Babeuf, (born November 23, 1760, Saint-Quentin, France—died May 27, 1797, Vendôme), early political journalist and agitator in Revolutionary France whose tactical strategies provided a model for left-wing movements of the 19th century and who was called Gracchus for the resemblance of his proposed agrarian reforms to those of the 2nd-century-BC Roman statesman of that name.”
Britannica.com
View attachment 494225

3. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.



4. For Babeuf, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”



5. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006


A vote for a Democrat means you really believe that there is a 'Big Rock Candy Mountain.'

Sorry, but this is wrong.
First of all, Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats, Anarchists, etc. are all completely different.
Fascists and Nazis are right wing groups who believe in trickle down from the wealthy elite.
Liberals and progressives just believe in fair and equal protection of individual rights.
Socialists believe you can save money by starting publicly owned companies.
Communists believe all means of production need to be publicly owned companies to prevent abuse by private employers.
Anarchist wrap around so far to the left, they essentially are identical to extreme right wing Libertarians.
And democrats are not necessarily any of the above.
They are whatever seems to be what will gain the most votes this election.

None of the economic or political theories believe in something for nothing.
They all believe everyone should have to work for what they get and use in life.
The different goals are just to try to make things more fair.
To prevent monopolies of the means of production.



You should be sorry....

...I'm never wrong.

So you don't want to discuss any points?
Are you really going to just claim the left wing is trying to just sell a pie in the sky, giveaway?
Tell me how you would prevent historic abuses, like child labor, monopolies, company towns, etc.?
Rigby5, I will give you that democrat policies have helped in the past. I'm willing to admit that FDR kept people from starving. I am however, having difficulties seeing what the modern democrats want to accomplish. It was nice of democrats to want to help single mothers, but they created a system that did tremendous harm. Since the 60's the war on poverty has made things worse instead of better. The family unit has been replaced by single parent + government in many cases. I think most reasonable people want the same things. Clean environment, no child labor, no monopolies, ect. People will never agree on guns and abortion, but on most other things, good policy is good policy. It does seem like pie in the sky is the current agenda. The ACA made things worse for a majority of people. With medicare and medicaid, universal systems made no sense. It is great you want to help people, but why create universal care with systems already in place for the poor? Paying people not to work doesn't make sense, paying people to have children doesn't make sense, having people that pay no income taxes getting thousands of dollars every tax time doesn't make sense, telling people they don't have to pay their student loans doesn't make sense, paying healthcare to illegal immigrants doesn't make sense, and neither does legalizing large numbers of criminal activites. I can see some argument for minimum wage increase, but to double it rapidly seemed like a sure way to kill small businesses. Oh, raising corporate taxes so companies don't want to do business in the US doesn't make sense either. It sounds nice for the government to take action for the 'common good', but the current actions on the agenda don't seem to accomplish any FDR type goal. I'll admit Lindsy Graham, the Turtle, and most of the rest with R's after their names are corrupt lifers if you can concede that Pelosi, Nadler, and the Squad don't really have Americans best interest in mind. Washington just want to syphon money, get summer homes and offshore accounts, and funnel some of the money back as bribes to get re-elected. I don't think it is R vs D anymore, now I think we are squarely in citizen vs corrupt government, and citizens are losing.



May I offer one more disagreement....a quite large one.

It is an enormous error to give FDR credit for any improvement in the recession/depression.

His policies increased same, and made it last some 7 years longer than it should have.

The only way to read the effects of FDR's policies is that he untended to use the crisis to obviate the Constitution and give him the powers of his idol, Stalin.



Now, listen, I've listened to this Harry - now this thing has been tried for seven successive years, and we ' ve still got twelve million unemployed. I want to point out - you're all Just as much interested in Mr. Roosevelt as I am - before you launch this thing, I think you're opening yourselves to an attack that we' ve had seven years of deficits, seven years of increasing the thing, and we're just where we were seven years ago."

Morgenthau, 1939


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"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."

Morgenthau, Henry, Jr. (May 9, 1939). Henry Morgenthau Diary, Microfilm Roll #50 (PDF, 1.9 MB).

Henry Morgenthau Jr. - Wikipedia.







"FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"

I'm not disputing that FDR lengthened the Great Depression, or that he ushered in a new level of government expansion and abuse. My point is that 'common good' meant something different then than it does now. Back then, the poor were actually starving. I am actually shocked that people were not dying of the starvation. My grandparents told me their stories of lack of food and what they had to do to survive. Now days, a politician can say 'common good', and we are just supposed to fork over cash. They rake in the money and say we will help you, trust us, when government expansion hasn't helped anybody in over 50 years. It has clearly done the opposite, and made people's lives worse.
 

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donny is a loooooooooooossssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr.................................................................................................................................................................................................

fact.
Get your hand out of your diaper and have an attendant clean you up.

Fer christs sake...

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I didn't tell you to lick it, I said have an attendant clean the shit off your hand...

donny needs to clean himself.

poor donny.
 

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