Stem cell research

[brneyedgrl80]

Again, as I posted. I was not aiming this at anyone in particular. I was not singling you out. But if you didn't read the links, then I could see why you felt singled out. If you did read them, why get bothered with it?

If the links, after a thorough reading on anybody's part do not answer their questions, then post away.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Modu$OperanDi
I don't have a soul jackass, I have a connection with the Universe, which is only more deep than the animals surrounding us because my brain allows me to comprehend more of it. Quit throwing random punches at me, it doesn't help your claims of being a part of something pure.

Phillipians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Phillipians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

good one

 

[Modu$OperanDi]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Phillipians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wow...

What a pretty quote. Thank you so much for showing me that newguy!

That proves everything you say right, and makes everything I'm saying just sound silly(!)

My tounge will never confess that. The Christian religion has more holes than Swiss cheese.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Modu$OperanDi
Wow...

What a pretty quote. Thank you so much for showing me that newguy!

That proves everything you say right, and makes everything I'm saying just sound silly(!)

My tounge will never confess that. The Christian religion has more holes than Swiss cheese.

I had no intention of proving anything.

Just merely stating fact.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
I had no intention of proving anything.

Just merely stating fact.

You didn't state fact you quoted the Bible. I'd love for someone to start a thread on what qualifies as fact, for those of you who don't get it...

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Modu$OperanDi
I don't have a soul jackass, I have a connection with the Universe, which is only more deep than the animals surrounding us because my brain allows me to comprehend more of it. Quit throwing random punches at me, it doesn't help your claims of being a part of something pure.

Someone here is full of crap, and it isn't me. Give up? It's you!

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Someone here is full of crap, and it isn't me. Give up? It's you!

Delusions of grandeur again, RWA?

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by nycflasher
You didn't state fact you quoted the Bible. I'd love for someone to start a thread on what qualifies as fact, for those of you who don't get it...

Wow.

Maybe I ought to quote "out magazine".

Would that be fact?

How about John Kerry's website? Would that be fact?

How about AMA website or publications? How about the WHO website?

Just because something is a book does not mean it is or isn't fact.

If you want a proof of what fact is, I recommend a logic course.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Wow.

Maybe I ought to quote "out magazine".

Would that be fact?

How about John Kerry's website? Would that be fact?

How about AMA website or publications? How about the WHO website?

Just because something is a book does not mean it is or isn't fact.

If you want a proof of what fact is, I recommend a logic course.

SO you admit you don't understand the difference between fact and, well, not fact?

Kerry's website? What? Some is fact, some is opinion. Do you not get that?

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by nycflasher
SO you admit you don't understand the difference between fact and, well, not fact?

Kerry's website? What? Some is fact, some is opinion. Do you not get that?

Ok.....shifting gears to lower level thinking.


Just because something is text does not mean it is fact or not fact.

The information is to be proven before becoming fact.

The Bible is fact. Proven. Duh.

The examples I gave had fact and opinion and all were textual.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Delusions of grandeur again, RWA?

Again? That implies periods of normalcy!

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Again? That implies periods of normalcy!

lol, that's right you live in a constant state...

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Ok.....shifting gears to lower level thinking.
Just because something is text does not mean it is fact or not fact.
The information is to be proven before becoming fact.
The Bible is fact. Proven. Duh.
The examples I gave had fact and opinion and all were textual.

Lower level of thinking?
Don't flatter yourself. I see that you think that YOU are the son of God.

How is the Bible fact?

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy

I agree but let me throw this at you:

When you already have had a proven method of tissue regeneration that duplicates stem cell activity by causing the adult body to produce its own through electro-chemical stimulation, WHY DO THIS?

The answer is clear:

This keeps abortion in the political arena. IT keeps the debates going to throw around the political football.

Conservatives get elected and take a stand. Money trades hands from tax dollars. Laws get passed.

Liberals take office next time. Lobbying takes place. Deals get made with tax dollars. Laws get passed and government grows.

Then, just when you think you got it figured out, the roles of the conservatives and liberals SWAP.

This is exactly how all major political issues go. Money keeps getting drained from the people, government keeps growing, and all relevancy of the issue disappears.

In the long run, humans are then looked at as crops to help the existing populace survive and we forget the sancitity of human life.

Why should we care? We won't even have the power to stop it, the money to buy a different solution, the knowledge of science, nor the laws to change.

Welcome to mandated socialism. [/B]

First off, if we followed that line of thinking throughout history, medical advances wouldn't get very far. I'm not too sure what this "electro-chemical stimulation" specifically is, although I do have a good idea what it does at the biological level. However, if it is indeed so good why are we not seeing to replacement or repaired organs being functional at all. Hence, if its not solving our problems now, why would we stop looking for alternatives? It simply isn't logical.

Stem cells has shown great potential and frankly, your leap from stem cells to mandated socialism is a bit weak. Stem cells is a scientific, medical domain foremost. Politics and morality have worked their way in there as they always do and perhaps, should. However, let's be clear it truly is not the other way around. The suggestion that is somewhat conspiratist in nature.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock


Stem cells has shown great potential and frankly, your leap from stem cells to mandated socialism is a bit weak.

A bit weak?
NewGuy is the son of God, though, watch what you say....

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
I'm not implying that nobody checked out the links I posted, but if people did, then maybe a lot of this discussion could have been cut short. I took these links from different sources with different view points and you will get very interesting information.

Links themselves do not provide facts or info. But the websites they take you to often time do.

Indeed byeyedgrl! Of note of specific is the different method in which to extract stem cell and their current breakthroughs.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Ok.....shifting gears to lower level thinking.


Just because something is text does not mean it is fact or not fact.

The information is to be proven before becoming fact.

The Bible is fact. Proven. Duh.

The examples I gave had fact and opinion and all were textual.

Perhaps by faith if so inclined, but certainly not scientific fact.

 

[proud_savagette]

Perhaps by faith if so inclined, but certainly not scientific fact.

may i ask how you know that it isn't scientific fact? just because you don't believe it certainly doesn't mean that it didn't happen. and i don't mean you directly, as i don't know what your personal opinions are--i just mean a person in general.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by proud_savagette
may i ask how you know that it isn't scientific fact? just because you don't believe it certainly doesn't mean that it didn't happen. and i don't mean you directly, as i don't know what your personal opinions are--i just mean a person in general.

Because it's not reproducable and based on first principles. It doesn't make it any less valid as moral source IMO, but I don't think it's responsible too confuse the two systems of knowledge.

I believe in a supernatural force, God if you will, and I cannot prove it scientifically, but it doesn't mean its any less valid as a source of inspiration. It just means I can't prove it scienfically, i just know it is there, by faith.