Statistics the Left doesn't want you to see.

[Marion Morrison]

This is a nation of immigrants. The ones coming here are doing so for a better life, not to blow shit up. Those guys are already here.

Not all of them got the memo.

Was she ever caught?

 

[RightyTighty]

This is a nation of immigrants. The ones coming here are doing so for a better life, not to blow shit up. Those guys are already here.

Not all of them got the memo.

Was she ever caught?

Caught? She died in a hail of bullets along side him.

 

[Marion Morrison]

This is a nation of immigrants. The ones coming here are doing so for a better life, not to blow shit up. Those guys are already here.

Not all of them got the memo.

Was she ever caught?

Caught? She died in a hail of bullets along side him.

Oh, good!

 

[williepete]

In a democracy she won

So she won in a fantasy that you're confusing with reality. Might want to see a shrink about that.

Your ignorance of how our form of government works is noted. Scared of books since an early age?

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).
ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?

 

[RightyTighty]

This is a nation of immigrants. The ones coming here are doing so for a better life, not to blow shit up. Those guys are already here.

Not all of them got the memo.

Was she ever caught?

Caught? She died in a hail of bullets along side him.

Oh, good!

Figured you like that. They left the baby with Grandma.

 

[RightyTighty]

In a democracy she won

So she won in a fantasy that you're confusing with reality. Might want to see a shrink about that.

Your ignorance of how our form of government works is noted. Scared of books since an early age?

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).
ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?

I know what our government is. I also know it's - undemocratic.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

[QUOTE="RightyTighty, post: 1743157b09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Policy Exchange:
This is a nation of immigrants. The ones coming here are doing so for a better life, not to blow shit up. Those guys are already here.[/QUOTE]
The Melting Pot Has Had a Meltdown

Formerly good ideas, such as immigration, are only good until they are no longer necessary or are abused. America's enemies appeal to traditional ideas that have been extended or degraded to the point that they have become suicidal, such as immigration and freedom of religion.

 

[williepete]

I know what our government is. I also know it's - undemocratic.

Most people who understand the lessons of history are very happy we don't live in a democracy. The founding fathers knew the dangers of mob rule.

The Federalist No. 10
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Shot up a bunch of co-workers at a work party. If there's a political message in there (no one can find it).

Ah, sorry. I forgot workplace violence is an automatic pass from the left. Can't have anything to do with Islam. Because it's at a workplace...or something. Not Islam.

When a co-worker shoots up his ______ where he used to work, is that religious violence?

Apology Tour in a Safe Space

And the 9/11 hijackers were just trying to see how well they could fly an airliner. The whole thing was caused by poor training, so we should sue the flight schools they went to.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

The Left Used Right-Wing Means

With legal voters, Trump won the PV. Besides, the majority never would have let the mooching races vote, so you traitors achieved a PV majority through undemocratic means. Practically everything the anti-democratic Right opposes would have been eliminated by the majoritarian referendums they also oppose. So they are frauds, just like the flag-waving traitors who had their Daddies get them out of fighting the Communists. So why should we listen to either the social elitists or the economic elitists? Both of them hate and fear all other White people.

 

[BluesLegend]

Pew Research (2013):

• Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
  
  
• Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
  
  
• 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups

Wenzel Strategies (2012):

• 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
  
  
• 45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
  
  
• 12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
  
  
• 43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
  
  
• 32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.

Sixty Percent of US Muslims Reject Freedom of Expression

ICM Poll:

• 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
  
  
• 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK

Pew Research (2010):

• 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
  
  
• 70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
  
  
• 42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
  
  
• 82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
  
  
• 56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers

Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah

WZB Berlin Social Science Center:

• 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.

Europe: Islamic Fundamentalism is Widespread

Pew Global (2006)

• 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
  
  
• 43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
  
  
• 38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
  
  
• 15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.

Zogby Poll: Most Americans Want Strengths and Weaknesses of Darwinism Taught In Schools

World Public Opinion (2009)

• 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
  
  
• 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
  
  
• 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
  
  
• 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
  
  
• 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
  
  
• 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

NOP Research:

• 62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
  
  
• 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons

Many British Muslims Put Islam First

People Press Surveys

• 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.

A Year After Iraq War

Belgian HLN:

• 16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".

Zestien procent moslimjongens vindt terrorisme aanvaardbaar

ICM Poll:

• 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian Muslims Poll Nov 04/Guardian Muslims Nov04.asp

Pew Research (2007):

• 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
  
  
• 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
  
  
• 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
  
  
• 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
  
  
• 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Al-Jazeera (2006)

• 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden

Osama bin Laden - WikiIslam

Populus Poll (2006):

• 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
  
  
• 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".

http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

More Survey Research from a British Islamist Hell

GfK NOP:

• 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research:

• 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;

Many British Muslims Put Islam First

MacDonald Laurier Institute:

• 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
  
  
• 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda

Strong support for Shariah in Canada

Much good news and some worrying results in new study of Muslim public opinion in Canada | Macdonald-Laurier Institute

al-Arabiya:

• 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html

Gallup:

• 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")

Just Like Us! Really?

Policy Exchange:

• 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust
  
  
• Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.

http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site Download.pdf

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

The problem with your post is that the conservative consensus on USMB is that polls are useless, phoney, and rigged.

The poll last Nov giving Trump the win that's a poll.

Why is it that only in the presidential election in America that the guy who comes in second can win?

Does that mean all the other elections in this country are illegitimate?

You people knew the rules, you only starting crying like sore losers when you lost. And goddamn if you can't beat a candidate like Trump, with a former US president, a sitting US president, a $1.2 billion dollar campaign war chest, and the entire MSM on your side WTF that's pretty sad.

She won, just not in our undemocratic system.

Hillary won an election that was never held? Link to this fantasy popular vote election? Hell link to this fantasy popular vote campaign even? Are you saying Hillary devised a campaign strategy to win the popular vote instead of the EC, isn't that kind of stupid? Why yes I am mocking you.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump won 30 states, that's a majority. Tissue?

Ah, no. The majority is people, not states.

Not in the USA, where do you live Canada?

The majority in both is - people.

Trump won the majority in 30 states, including 3 blue states Hillary thought she had in the bag. Tissue?

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

What's undemocratic about it, that you lost? lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

The problem with your post is that the conservative consensus on USMB is that polls are useless, phoney, and rigged.

The poll last Nov giving Trump the win that's a poll.

Why is it that only in the presidential election in America that the guy who comes in second can win?

Does that mean all the other elections in this country are illegitimate?

You people knew the rules, you only starting crying like sore losers when you lost. And goddamn if you can't beat a candidate like Trump, with a former US president, a sitting US president, a $1.2 billion dollar campaign war chest, and the entire MSM on your side WTF that's pretty sad.

She won, just not in our undemocratic system.

Hillary won an election that was never held? Link to this fantasy popular vote election? Hell link to this fantasy popular vote campaign even? Are you saying Hillary devised a campaign strategy to win the popular vote instead of the EC, isn't that kind of stupid? Why yes I am mocking you.

I thought the wikileaks hacking cost Hillary the election.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ah, no. The majority is people, not states.

Not in the USA, where do you live Canada?

The majority in both is - people.

Trump won the majority in 30 states, including 3 blue states Hillary thought she had in the bag. Tissue?

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

What's undemocratic about it, that you lost? lol

What's undemocratic about it is found in what you'd be saying NOW if Hillary had lost the popular vote and won the electoral college.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The problem with your post is that the conservative consensus on USMB is that polls are useless, phoney, and rigged.

The poll last Nov giving Trump the win that's a poll.

That was no poll - that was a rejection of majority rule.

Trump won 30 states, that's a majority. Tissue?

That's a majority of geographical areas, it's not a majority of the People.

In the USA its majority of EC votes by state. Newsflash Trump won. You libs desperate grasp at meaningless metrics to sooth your wounds, don't feel bad I'm sure Hillary won the pantsuit vote too.

So in the US, unelected electors state by state decide who is president.

 

[RightyTighty]

Not in the USA, where do you live Canada?

The majority in both is - people.

Trump won the majority in 30 states, including 3 blue states Hillary thought she had in the bag. Tissue?

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

What's undemocratic about it, that you lost? lol

What's undemocratic about it is found in what you'd be saying NOW if Hillary had lost the popular vote and won the electoral college.

It would still be - undemocratic.

 

[RightyTighty]

Ah, no. The majority is people, not states.

Not in the USA, where do you live Canada?

The majority in both is - people.

Trump won the majority in 30 states, including 3 blue states Hillary thought she had in the bag. Tissue?

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

What's undemocratic about it, that you lost? lol

Ah, no. What's undemocratic is the majority voted for someone else and didn't win.

 

[BluesLegend]

Not in the USA, where do you live Canada?

The majority in both is - people.

Trump won the majority in 30 states, including 3 blue states Hillary thought she had in the bag. Tissue?

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

What's undemocratic about it, that you lost? lol

What's undemocratic about it is found in what you'd be saying NOW if Hillary had lost the popular vote and won the electoral college.

I would be saying president Clinton because I'm not some sour grapes sore loser. Goddamn you people need to grow a pair, if I can put up with that dolt Obama for 8 years you can put up with Trump.

 

[BluesLegend]

Not in the USA, where do you live Canada?

The majority in both is - people.

Trump won the majority in 30 states, including 3 blue states Hillary thought she had in the bag. Tissue?

Changes nothing. It's still undemocratic. The majority didn't vote for the Orange Menace.

What's undemocratic about it, that you lost? lol

Ah, no. What's undemocratic is the majority voted for someone else and didn't win.

Do you know why we don't have a simple majority rules in this country? I doubt you do.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I know what our government is. I also know it's - undemocratic.

Most people who understand the lessons of history are very happy we don't live in a democracy. The founding fathers knew the dangers of mob rule.

The Federalist No. 10
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm

Founding Fathers: Frontiersmen
Constitutionalists: Wags Wearing Wigs

You preach to us as if we have to believe, under the penalty of making the country go to hell, that these slick lawyers you designate as "Founding Fathers" were supernaturally inspired and far above the wisdom of the common man. A self-declared elite should never be trusted; only those who want to feel superior to the majority push this political theocracy. Populists should treat the Kochist Birchers as subordinates. In defiance of your political bullying, your bosses better provide what we order, or else we will once again be swindled into becoming serfs meekly letting a tiny selfish clique make our decisions for us, which is all a republic is.