St Louis: 21 yr old woman shot dead, infant thrown from car, in carjacking; Tired of this shit.

[yiostheoy]

no end in sight to the increased rate?

whats the rate, like 1965 till 2016 lookig like, graphically? Just curious

A ski slope going downhill since 1993. 20 years after Roe vs. Wade. Go figure.
Trump Wrong on Murder Rate - FactCheck.org

Definitely an uptick.

Not sure why though.

Maybe the BLM backlash combined with the moosleem jihad.

 

[yiostheoy]

We should give everyone of these gangsta's a sex change in one of our prisons.

That would stop it as they value their man hood!

A lot of these crimes are by career criminals fresh out of prison.

We need more bigger prisons.

we need more doctors in these prisons to perform the sex changes.

I'm sure the SCOTUS would rule that surgery like that would constitute cruel and unusual.

The original definition of cruel and unusual was drawing and quartering in England.

Hanged, drawn and quartered - Wikipedia

 

[Divine Wind]

We should give everyone of these gangsta's a sex change in one of our prisons.

That would stop it as they value their man hood!

A lot of these crimes are by career criminals fresh out of prison.

We need more bigger prisons.

That may be true. I do know that people with a criminal prison record, even if it was nonviolent and "victimless" such as drug possession, have a difficult time finding jobs. Therefore they often turn to crime to survive. Not right, but I think we need to find a better solution than locking up someone for life at a cost of $30,000/year per prisoner.

Example:
The Economics of the American Prison System | SmartAsset.com
The American prison system is massive. So massive that its estimated turnover of $74 billion eclipses the GDP of 133 nations. What is perhaps most unsettling about this fun fact is that it is the American taxpayer who foots the bill and is increasingly padding the pockets of publicly traded corporations like Corrections Corporation of America and GEO Group. Combined both companies generated over $2.53 billion in revenue in 2012, and represent more than half of the private prison business. So what exactly makes the business of incarcerating Americans so lucrative?...

 

[Divine Wind]

no end in sight to the increased rate?

whats the rate, like 1965 till 2016 lookig like, graphically? Just curious

A ski slope going downhill since 1993. 20 years after Roe vs. Wade. Go figure.
Trump Wrong on Murder Rate - FactCheck.org

Definitely an uptick.

Not sure why though.

Maybe the BLM backlash combined with the moosleem jihad.

An uptick, yes. Probably economically related; lack of good jobs would be my first guess.

 

[yiostheoy]

The most simple solution is that everyone should become armed and more vigilant. That would pick off the active criminals one by one or else deny them targets.

Without targets they would simply be hanging out around the homeless shelters. Then it becomes a city problem not a state problem.

 

[Divine Wind]

we need more doctors in these prisons to perform the sex changes.

I'm sure the SCOTUS would rule that surgery like that would constitute cruel and unusual.

The original definition of cruel and unusual was drawing and quartering in England.

Hanged, drawn and quartered - Wikipedia

Perhaps if voluntary chemical castration (permanent) and a vasectomy were offered for 5 years off their sentence, then SCOTUS would find it legal. They've already ruled in favor on sex cases.

Some Sex Offenders Opt for Castration
Increasingly severe sex offender laws nationwide are convincing some criminals to take drastic measures in an effort to prove they are fit for society — even resorting to a treatment so brutal it disappeared from the criminal justice system decades ago.

At least 15 repeat sex offenders in California alone have asked for surgical castration as a way of avoiding indefinite incarceration, according to the Los Angeles Times. Over the last three years, two offenders — including a pedophile freed three months ago — have walked free from state mental hospitals after undergoing the surgery.

California is one of at least seven states with laws that mandate continued civil confinement of convicted offenders even after their prison terms expire. Although opponents challenged the constitutionality of the laws for years, claiming they violate "double jeopardy" rules, the measures are here to stay.

In January, the U.S. Supreme Court all but ruled out the possibility that civil confinement ever could be challenged in federal court as double jeopardy.

California is also one of a handful of states that mandate castration — either chemical or surgical — for repeat offenders before being released. Texas was the first state to offer castration to repeat offenders on a voluntary basis.

'Cruel and Unusual Punishment'?

In some cases, surgical castration has convinced judges and state officials that repeat offenders no longer pose a threat. In Florida, an offender's sentence was cut short in 1999 after he was castrated. Repeat offenders in other states, including Illinois, Ohio and Arkansas, have either requested or received the surgery as a way to bargain for a reduced sentence.

Across the nation, law enforcement officials are experimenting with other ways to tinker with offenders' libidos to help them control their behavior. In Colorado, for example, state prison officials are administering anti-depressants to offenders to study the drugs' effects on reducing their sexual appetites.

But of all the treatments available, surgical castration is the most severe and controversial. The operation involves removal of the testes, where 95 percent of testosterone is produced.

For many who oppose it, surgical castration is a barbaric way to manage the behavior of high-risk offenders. Civil rights groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union have lobbied against the surgery in exchange for reduced sentences, calling it "cruel and unusual punishment."

Questioning the Effectiveness of Castration

Despite the severity of castration, not everyone — including leading medical experts — is even convinced of its effectiveness.

A substantial percentage of surgically castrated offenders retain some sexual functioning, according to the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers, a nonprofit international group of researchers and clinicians. The ATSA is opposed to surgical castration procedures, it says, because less invasive medication therapy can achieve the same results, if not better.

But surgical castration has been proven to reduce the sex drives of many offenders, according to several studies. A German study showed a recidivism rate of 3 percent for castrated offenders, compared to 46 percent for non-castrated offenders.

It's important to remember, however, that castration is not a quick fix and doesn't work for everyone, warns Fred Berlin, founder of the sexual disorders clinic at Johns Hopkins University.

Surgery is most likely to work for offenders whose sex drive motivates their crimes, such as pedophiles or those aroused by coercive sex, Berlin says. But offenders who commit sex crimes for other reasons, like those who lack a conscience or abuse drugs or alcohol, probably would not benefit from surgery, he said.

Some victims' rights groups and law enforcement officials also argue that offenders could nullify the surgery later by boosting their testosterone levels through gels and patches. "It's not a panacea," Berlin said.

A Problem of Politics and Medicine

So, if surgical castration won't work for all offenders and medication can be just as effective in reducing libidos of castration candidates, why resuscitate the archaic practice?

Berlin says the motivation is often more political than than medical, and the result is a less-than-informed approach to solving a complicated problem.

"To some people, this deserves to happen to these folks," Berlin said. "Forcing it on people who haven't been evaluated properly and may only be taking it out of desperation, in my judgment, is not proper medical practice."

In the end, a reasonable approach to managing offenders' behavior should be reached through the collaboration of doctors, politicians and law enforcement officials, Berlin says.

For those who are deemed good candidates for castration, successful integration back into society should involve continued therapy and treatment for related problems such as depression or alcoholism, he said. To assure that castrated offenders are not boosting their testosterone, their hormone levels could be periodically checked as terms of their release, he added.

 

[Divine Wind]

The most simple solution is that everyone should become armed and more vigilant. That would pick off the active criminals one by one or else deny them targets.

Without targets they would simply be hanging out around the homeless shelters. Then it becomes a city problem not a state problem.

Agreed.

Additionally, we should be more focused on statistics, specifically the violent crime rate and not the "information overload" we get from near-instantaneous 24/7 news reporting of every crime among a population of over 318 Million Americans.

 

[Camp]

Soooo, you scour the internet to find the relatively tiny number of outrageous things humans do to each other and then attempt to blame it all on 'democrats'.

You don't go on and on how sad the story is, which it is. It is tragic. No you instead USE these terrible incidents to through your feces at people who disagree with SOME of your political positions.

You are among a select group here that does this. Usually, it's to find something, anything, and at the end say "see, Obama!"

Why don't you instead send a cash donation for the child. What an idea.

Wasn't Buc one of the posters that got all pissed off at calling the cops who shot that little boy in his dad's pick-up truck. Monsters? There were where a group of posters that thought it was just terrible to call these animals monsters. Well, one of the monster cops cried his eyes out recently when he was found guilty. The other animal will come to trial soon. Hopefully the monster cop will get justice like the first one did. He will probably weep in public too.

 

[Divine Wind]

Potential sons of Obama?

The woman murdered could have been Obama's daughter:

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is a significant portion of our nation that believes they have a right to commit any kind of crime they want. No one has the right to judge them.

This is not unlike muslim jihad. In fact, it is the same. Their right to commit crimes is an ideology. It's the ideology that has to be torn out by the roots.

 

[Divine Wind]

There is a significant portion of our nation that believes they have a right to commit any kind of crime they want. No one has the right to judge them.

This is not unlike muslim jihad. In fact, it is the same. Their right to commit crimes is an ideology. It's the ideology that has to be torn out by the roots.

What portion is that? What percentage?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is a significant portion of our nation that believes they have a right to commit any kind of crime they want. No one has the right to judge them.

This is not unlike muslim jihad. In fact, it is the same. Their right to commit crimes is an ideology. It's the ideology that has to be torn out by the roots.

What portion is that? What percentage?

I have no idea. I know they exist. I have certainly run across many many in my practice. I was carjacked by a Mexican man who absolutely thought he had a right to put a gun to my head and take my car. His idea was to take cars here and sell them in Mexico for a potential family business. It wasn't a crime to carjack people because insurance paid off. If anyone is hurt, or he had to use that gun, it was the victim's fault.

Not only the carjacker but his entire family was bewildered. They needed that money. He did nothing wrong and I was a racist for calling the police.

 

[Divine Wind]

There is a significant portion of our nation that believes they have a right to commit any kind of crime they want. No one has the right to judge them.

This is not unlike muslim jihad. In fact, it is the same. Their right to commit crimes is an ideology. It's the ideology that has to be torn out by the roots.

What portion is that? What percentage?

I have no idea. I know they exist. I have certainly run across many many in my practice. I was carjacked by a Mexican man who absolutely thought he had a right to put a gun to my head and take my car. His idea was to take cars here and sell them in Mexico for a potential family business. It wasn't a crime to carjack people because insurance paid off. If anyone is hurt, or he had to use that gun, it was the victim's fault.

Not only the carjacker but his entire family was bewildered. They needed that money. He did nothing wrong and I was a racist for calling the police.

Sorry you had to suffer at the hands of a criminal. Did the police catch him?

Still, most Americans have not been victims of crimes much less murdered. Few have seen dead bodies in the streets of America. The ones that do are most often living in a crime-ridden areas where the low tax-base means there is little to no police protection and the schools are ineffective.

The Unequal Burden of Crime and Incarceration on America’s Poor | Brookings Institution

 

[Bush92]

Woman slain in downtown St. Louis carjacking; baby girl thrown out of car but unhurt

I'm getting so sick of this shit. A 21 year old St Louis woman was carjacking and shot to death. As the thugs sped down the road in her car....they throw her 9 month old infant out of the car still strapped in its car seat.


I'm so sick of this animalistic, lawless behavior. Fucking sick of it. And it's happening more and more often ......with no end in sight to the increased rate.


Here in Charleston.....4 thugs hunted an easy victim one night a few weeks ago. Found a bartender walking home. Shot him dead. Today in bond court one of the animals cussed out the victims mother for no apparent reason. Just to rub it in I guess.

Crack down on crimminal behavior must happen. Welfare state, coupled with single parent homes, added to a PC culture and liberal media...you have a savage barbaric society. Thanks liberals.

 

[Bush92]

bucs90

I just read of a couple who sold their very young child on craigslist.

White.

Should I say they're Republican?

People who do this shit are not left or right, Dem or Repub. They're sick and monstrous.

Until you RWNJs stop lying about every crime and every shooting and every rape, you're not worth listening to .

What does that have to do with the culture of street violence in Black communities?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

bucs90

I just read of a couple who sold their very young child on craigslist.

White.

Should I say they're Republican?

People who do this shit are not left or right, Dem or Repub. They're sick and monstrous.

Until you RWNJs stop lying about every crime and every shooting and every rape, you're not worth listening to .

What does that have to do with the culture of street violence in Black communities?

I think he believes they should have had it murdered at PP

 

[oreo]

bucs90

I just read of a couple who sold their very young child on craigslist.

White.

Should I say they're Republican?

People who do this shit are not left or right, Dem or Repub. They're sick and monstrous.

Until you RWNJs stop lying about every crime and every shooting and every rape, you're not worth listening to .

Bucs90 now posts as oreo, try to keep up

What in the hell are you talking about? I am Oreo always have been and have no idea who Buc90 is--LOL I didn't even make a comment on this thread.

 

[HenryBHough]

The woman murdered could have been Obama's daughter:

I doubt it.

If she were she'd be shoving her ass at the camera.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

bucs90

I just read of a couple who sold their very young child on craigslist.

White.

Should I say they're Republican?

People who do this shit are not left or right, Dem or Repub. They're sick and monstrous.

Until you RWNJs stop lying about every crime and every shooting and every rape, you're not worth listening to .

Bucs90 now posts as oreo, try to keep up

What in the hell are you talking about? I am Oreo always have been and have no idea who Buc90 is--LOL I didn't even make a comment on this thread.

Fuck off, loser

 

[Divine Wind]

The woman murdered could have been Obama's daughter:

I doubt it.

If she were she'd be shoving her ass at the camera.

Do you deny it could have been "Obama's sons" with equal venom? Yes or no, please.