Spicer: There's no question deep state at work in Government

[Tresha91203]

It is a police state..and yes all democrats should be fired from the executive branch. Their ideology hinders the effectiveness because they do not agree with policy issues and they sabotage them.

Are you yanking leashes Defcon? Because that's really a bit much...when Bush came into power he didn't fire all democrat voters in the civil service. When Obama came into power he didn't fire all republican voters in civil services. Political appointees always go but that is it.

US Attorneys ARE political appointees and always have been. That's why this hypocritical slanted biased (fake) news ... just like the ambassadors' unprecedented pink slips. It is designed to deceive you into outrage.

Yes, they are - but that is not what I was responding to, rather the statement that all those civil servants who voted a certain way should be fired. Political apointees are just that.

I agree all civil servants shouldn't be fired at each administration change. The DMV here could use a good purge. Maybe I'll get lucky and The Donald will drain that swamp!

The DMV is it's own ecosystem

Yes, and the sloths reign supreme there![/QUOTE]

 

[Old Rocks]

There is an automatic conflict of interest due to public sector unions and because the union bosses supports the Dems.

What do you suggest?

Loyalty oaths?

Armbands?
Tattoos?

No one should have to be afraid of being fired simply because of who they voted for. That is so damn crazy. Like a police state. What the hell are people advocating for?

It is a police state..and yes all democrats should be fired from the executive branch. Their ideology hinders the effectiveness because they do not agree with policy issues and they sabotage them.

Are you yanking leashes Defcon? Because that's really a bit much...when Bush came into power he didn't fire all democrat voters in the civil service. When Obama came into power he didn't fire all republican voters in civil services. Political appointees always go but that is it.

Desperate times require desperate measures. It is unprecedented what a concerted effort is being made to destroy the Trump Administration. I have not seen such a vicious attack on any Administration or any President before. Classified information is leaked to the leftist whore press from within. It needs purging. The Administration cannot effectively do the job entrusted to them when they are dealing with mostly unfounded accusations and fending off lies thus the purge is necessary.

Why yes, there is an unprecedented effort to destroy the orange clown's admin. Made mostly by the orange clown himself and the incompetent ideologues he has appointed. A good place to start would be to take his twitter account away from him.

 

[defcon4]

It is a police state..and yes all democrats should be fired from the executive branch. Their ideology hinders the effectiveness because they do not agree with policy issues and they sabotage them.

Are you yanking leashes Defcon? Because that's really a bit much...when Bush came into power he didn't fire all democrat voters in the civil service. When Obama came into power he didn't fire all republican voters in civil services. Political appointees always go but that is it.

US Attorneys ARE political appointees and always have been. That's why this hypocritical slanted biased (fake) news ... just like the ambassadors' unprecedented pink slips. It is designed to deceive you into outrage.

Yes, they are - but that is not what I was responding to, rather the statement that all those civil servants who voted a certain way should be fired. Political apointees are just that.

Nice catch phrase: "civil servants." They are government employees getting paid for the lousy job they do....Their pay should be correlated to their usefulness... Minimum wage at best for some of them.

It's not a catch phrase. It's what they are called. Civil servants. And government employ is termed civil service.

At any rate, regardless of what you think of them personally they should not be fired on the basis of their political views.

They should not undermine the President. They should focus on doing their jobs efficiently and leave their political bullshit at home. If they do not conform to those requirements they need to be fired...

 

[Old Rocks]

There is an automatic conflict of interest due to public sector unions and because the union bosses supports the Dems.

All Obama appointees and Hillary supporters should be fired! Actually all Democrat supporters should be fired. That's the only way to make the executive branch work properly without subversive actions against the administration.

You are a silly goose.

What do you suggest?

Loyalty oaths?

Armbands?
Tattoos?

No one should have to be afraid of being fired simply because of who they voted for. That is so damn crazy. Like a police state. What the hell are people advocating for?

Now you know how divided the country really is. People don't merely support another party, they actively sabotage the party in office. We see what obama holdovers have done to Trump just so far. They cannot be trusted. They have to go.

LOL What has been done to the orange clown so far, has mostly been done by the orange clown himself. Of course, when they find out why the constant communication between his server and the Alfa bank, he may have real trouble. Has to be investigated to find out if President Obama was listening in on those communications. LOL

 

[Lewdog]

Steve Bannon is a conspiracy nutjob just the same as Flynn and his son were. Does it surprise you that this "purge" is going on due to some kind of delusion that everyone is out to get them? I mean it can't possibly be that people are pissed because Trump and his staff can't actually do a competent job right?

 

[MindWars]

"I don’t think it should come as any surprise there are people that burrowed into government."

Friday at the White House press briefing, when asked if there is a “deep state” of government employees possibly loyal to the Obama administration’s agenda, press secretary Sean Spicer said, “I think that there’s no question when you have eight years of one party in office, there are people who stay in government — and continue to espouse the agenda of the previous administration.”


Spicer: There’s ‘No Question’ Deep State at Work in Government
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But of course the sheep let it go right over their heads, the truth is to hard to accept that is why they are going against Trump and standing up for America.

The Conflict within the Deep State Just Broke into Open Warfare

The battle raging in the Deep State isn't just a bureaucratic battle--it's a war for the soul, identity and direction of the nation.
When do the unlimited powers of the Intelligence/Security agencies threaten America's domestic and global national interests? The CIA and its political enablers claim the agency's essentially unlimited powers, partially revealed by Wikileak's Vault 7, pose no threat to America's interests, since they are intended to "defend" American interests.
This is the rationale presented by neocon CIA allies in both political parties: the CIA can't possibly threaten America's interests because the CIA defines America's interests.
This is the wormhole down which civil liberties and democracy have drained. It is an extraordinarily defining moment in American history when the director of the FBI publicly declares that there is no such thing as "absolute privacy" in the U.S.
In effect, privacy is now contingent on the level of interest the Security State has in the private conversation/data. If we read the U.S. Constitution, we do not find such contingencies: civil liberties are absolute. Post-1790 presidents have temporarily mooted civil liberties in time of war, and the CIA-led camp of the Deep State has justified its unlimited powers by effectively declared "a state of war is now permanent and enduring."
So what's left to defend if America has become the enemy of civil liberties and democracy, i.e. become a totalitarian state ruled by Security Services and their political henchmen and apologists?
I have long suggested that the tectonic plates of the Deep State are shifting as the ruling consensus has eroded. Some elements of the Deep State--what I call the progressive wing, which is (ironically to some) anchored in the military services-- now view the neocon-CIA (Security State)-Wall Street elements as profoundly dangerous to America's long-term interests, both domestically and globally.
Is the Deep State Fracturing into Disunity? (March 14, 2014)
I have suggested that this "rogue Deep State" quietly aided Donald Trump (by subtly undermining Hillary Clinton's campaign) as the last .............................

oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: The Conflict within the Deep State Just Broke into Open Warfare


LINK SHARED BY A FORMER NAVY SEAL name MATT BRACKEN

 

[Coyote]

Are you yanking leashes Defcon? Because that's really a bit much...when Bush came into power he didn't fire all democrat voters in the civil service. When Obama came into power he didn't fire all republican voters in civil services. Political appointees always go but that is it.

US Attorneys ARE political appointees and always have been. That's why this hypocritical slanted biased (fake) news ... just like the ambassadors' unprecedented pink slips. It is designed to deceive you into outrage.

Yes, they are - but that is not what I was responding to, rather the statement that all those civil servants who voted a certain way should be fired. Political apointees are just that.

Nice catch phrase: "civil servants." They are government employees getting paid for the lousy job they do....Their pay should be correlated to their usefulness... Minimum wage at best for some of them.

It's not a catch phrase. It's what they are called. Civil servants. And government employ is termed civil service.

At any rate, regardless of what you think of them personally they should not be fired on the basis of their political views.

They should not undermine the President. They should focus on doing their jobs efficiently and leave their political bullshit at home. If they do not conform to those requirements they need to be fired...

Funny, there was no call for that under Obama.

They should do their jobs period. Just like any other employee. If they are not doing their jobs, then fire them. That's it. Their political views make no difference in that and should have NO EFFECT on whether they are fired. Other than that though - they still have the same rights of free speech as anyone else.

 

[MindWars]

"I don’t think it should come as any surprise there are people that burrowed into government."

Friday at the White House press briefing, when asked if there is a “deep state” of government employees possibly loyal to the Obama administration’s agenda, press secretary Sean Spicer said, “I think that there’s no question when you have eight years of one party in office, there are people who stay in government — and continue to espouse the agenda of the previous administration.”


Spicer: There’s ‘No Question’ Deep State at Work in Government
---------------------------------------------------------------------

But of course the sheep let it go right over their heads, the truth is to hard to accept that is why they are going against Trump and standing up for America.

The Conflict within the Deep State Just Broke into Open Warfare

The battle raging in the Deep State isn't just a bureaucratic battle--it's a war for the soul, identity and direction of the nation.
When do the unlimited powers of the Intelligence/Security agencies threaten America's domestic and global national interests? The CIA and its political enablers claim the agency's essentially unlimited powers, partially revealed by Wikileak's Vault 7, pose no threat to America's interests, since they are intended to "defend" American interests.
This is the rationale presented by neocon CIA allies in both political parties: the CIA can't possibly threaten America's interests because the CIA defines America's interests.
This is the wormhole down which civil liberties and democracy have drained. It is an extraordinarily defining moment in American history when the director of the FBI publicly declares that there is no such thing as "absolute privacy" in the U.S.
In effect, privacy is now contingent on the level of interest the Security State has in the private conversation/data. If we read the U.S. Constitution, we do not find such contingencies: civil liberties are absolute. Post-1790 presidents have temporarily mooted civil liberties in time of war, and the CIA-led camp of the Deep State has justified its unlimited powers by effectively declared "a state of war is now permanent and enduring."
So what's left to defend if America has become the enemy of civil liberties and democracy, i.e. become a totalitarian state ruled by Security Services and their political henchmen and apologists?
I have long suggested that the tectonic plates of the Deep State are shifting as the ruling consensus has eroded. Some elements of the Deep State--what I call the progressive wing, which is (ironically to some) anchored in the military services-- now view the neocon-CIA (Security State)-Wall Street elements as profoundly dangerous to America's long-term interests, both domestically and globally.
Is the Deep State Fracturing into Disunity? (March 14, 2014)
I have suggested that this "rogue Deep State" quietly aided Donald Trump (by subtly undermining Hillary Clinton's campaign) as the last .............................

oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith: The Conflict within the Deep State Just Broke into Open Warfare


LINK SHARED BY A FORMER NAVY SEAL name MATT BRACKEN

Center for Cyber Intelligence in Langley, Virgina. It follows an introductory disclosure last month of CIA targeting French political parties and candidates in the lead up to the 2012 presidential election.

Recently, the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal including malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized "zero day" exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation. This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.

"Year Zero" introduces the scope and direction of the CIA's global covert hacking program, its malware arsenal and dozens of "zero day" weaponized exploits against a wide range of U.S. and European company products, include Apple's iPhone, Google's Android and Microsoft's Windows and even Samsung TVs, which are turned into covert microphones.

Since 2001 the CIA has gained political and budgetary preeminence over the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA). The CIA found itself building not just its now infamous drone fleet, but a very different type of covert, globe-spanning force — its own substantial fleet of hackers. The agency's hacking division freed it from having to disclose its often controversial operations to the NSA (its primary bureaucratic rival) in order to draw on the NSA's hacking capacities.

By the end of 2016, the CIA's hacking division, which formally falls under the agency's Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI), had over 5000 registered users and had produced more than a thousand hacking systems, trojans, viruses, and other "weaponized" malware. Such is the scale of the CIA's undertaking that by 2016, its hackers had utilized more code than that used to run Facebook. The CIA had created, in effect, its "own NSA" with even less accountability and without publicly answering the question as to whether such a massive budgetary spend on duplicating the capacities of a rival agency could be justified.

In a statement to WikiLeaks the source details policy questions that they say urgently need to be debated in public, including whether the CIA's hacking capabilities exceed its mandated powers and the problem of public oversight of the agency. The source wishes to initiate a public debate about the security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.

Once a single cyber 'weapon' is 'loose' it can spread around the world in seconds, to be used by rival states, cyber mafia and teenage hackers alike.

Julian Assange, WikiLeaks editor stated that "There is an extreme proliferation risk in the development of cyber 'weapons'. Comparisons can be drawn between the uncontrolled proliferation of such 'weapons', which results from the inability to contain them combined with their high market value, and the global arms trade. But the significance of "Year Zero" goes well beyond the choice between cyberwar and cyberpeace. The disclosure is also exceptional from a political, legal and forensic perspective."

Wikileaks has carefully reviewed the "Year Zero" disclosure and published substantive CIA documentation while avoiding the distribution of 'armed' cyberweapons until a consensus emerges on the technical and political nature of the CIA's program and how such 'weapons' should analyzed, disarmed and published.

Wikileaks has also decided to redact and anonymise some identifying information in "Year Zero" ........


Vault7 - Home

 

[defcon4]

US Attorneys ARE political appointees and always have been. That's why this hypocritical slanted biased (fake) news ... just like the ambassadors' unprecedented pink slips. It is designed to deceive you into outrage.

Yes, they are - but that is not what I was responding to, rather the statement that all those civil servants who voted a certain way should be fired. Political apointees are just that.

Nice catch phrase: "civil servants." They are government employees getting paid for the lousy job they do....Their pay should be correlated to their usefulness... Minimum wage at best for some of them.

It's not a catch phrase. It's what they are called. Civil servants. And government employ is termed civil service.

At any rate, regardless of what you think of them personally they should not be fired on the basis of their political views.

They should not undermine the President. They should focus on doing their jobs efficiently and leave their political bullshit at home. If they do not conform to those requirements they need to be fired...

Funny, there was no call for that under Obama.

They should do their jobs period. Just like any other employee. If they are not doing their jobs, then fire them. That's it. Their political views make no difference in that and should have NO EFFECT on whether they are fired. Other than that though - they still have the same rights of free speech as anyone else.

Of course not, conservatives are more disciplined than undermining their employer.

I do not consider undermining the Administration by leaking classified information as free speech just to hurt the President or the President's appointees.

 

[JimBowie1958]

No one should have to be afraid of being fired simply because of who they voted for. That is so damn crazy. Like a police state. What the hell are people advocating for?

So it is OK when liberals do it, but a bad thing when conservatives do it?

 

[rightwinger]

Are you yanking leashes Defcon? Because that's really a bit much...when Bush came into power he didn't fire all democrat voters in the civil service. When Obama came into power he didn't fire all republican voters in civil services. Political appointees always go but that is it.

US Attorneys ARE political appointees and always have been. That's why this hypocritical slanted biased (fake) news ... just like the ambassadors' unprecedented pink slips. It is designed to deceive you into outrage.

Yes, they are - but that is not what I was responding to, rather the statement that all those civil servants who voted a certain way should be fired. Political apointees are just that.

Nice catch phrase: "civil servants." They are government employees getting paid for the lousy job they do....Their pay should be correlated to their usefulness... Minimum wage at best for some of them.

It's not a catch phrase. It's what they are called. Civil servants. And government employ is termed civil service.

At any rate, regardless of what you think of them personally they should not be fired on the basis of their political views.

They should not undermine the President. They should focus on doing their jobs efficiently and leave their political bullshit at home. If they do not conform to those requirements they need to be fired...

Can you provide any examples other than conspiracy theories where Trump is being undermined by civil servants?

It is Trump who is seeking to undermine civil service and I have specific examples