Soviet Jews, Indigenous Palestinians, and Iran

[docmauser1]

Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza live under laws written and enforced by Jews yet have no vote when it comes to deciding which Jews write the laws. Apparently when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, the Jews chose ethnocracy over democracy and now their choice reduces to Jewish state or democratic state.

Drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

Why is it some Jews never miss an chance to choose expansion over peace?

Drivel. So, when are we sending troops there?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

If an arab has Israeli citizenship and he or she has registered to vote they can vote.

If he or she live in Israel but are not Israeli citizens, then they are not allowed to vote, understandably.

If he or she is a citizen of the Palestinian Authority or Gaza, and are registered to vote, he or she can vote for the relevant government they want in those two areas.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza live under laws written and enforced by Jews yet have no vote when it comes to deciding which Jews write the laws. Apparently when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, the Jews chose ethnocracy over democracy and now their choice reduces to Jewish state or democratic state.

Drivel.

To doc: "drivel" is not a great rebuttal.
To georgie: About the 1948 thing, get over it already. Life moves on. The Arabs have in their greedy little possession over 99% of the Middle East. They can share one tiny country with a people that have so many connections with that particular piece of land.

 

[abu afak]

Every Jew currently living between the River and the sea has a right to vote for those who write the laws (civil and military) she lives under. Every Arab of voting age living on same real estate does not. Maybe the moral math is too complicated for some to grasp?

And I reiterate/bolded my last which made your post a Joke.
But to elaborate in more detail...

1. It's Basically NOT true. The Palestinians (BOTH of them) voted for their own leaders and administration.
2. To the degree it is true, it's a function of the War the Arabs Started/Lost .. and ..
3. Because Israel offered Back The Conquered land in 1967 in exchange for mere recognition and the Arabs Refused.
Google 'Three Nos Khartoum', August 1967
4. Another Blown chance in addition to 1948.
ONLY Thus 'occupation'.
3a/4a. You refuse a country AT LEAST Twice and then complain you're not a country? WTF. (not even adding in Camp David etc, that may total 5-10 times)
5. The palestinians (Egyptoid Gazan Hamastan and Left-over Syrian WB) can't even present a single front/govt to negotiate with, but again, they did elect those who govern them.
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Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza live under laws written and enforced by Jews yet

Just a repeated Lie.
Your main thing here.
Both 'palestinians' elected their leaders and live under their own rules. In fact, Gaza and the WB have Different policies/Laws.

Apparently when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, the Jews chose ethnocracy over democracy and now their choice reduces to Jewish state or democratic state.

Shocked! Another LIE and/or Grotesque Ignorance.
The land that was to become Israel had a JEWISH MAJORITY in 1947... 540,000/390,000. The other state, 'palestine', would have been app 100% Arab.

If you'd like to go for injustice I suggest 'Jordan' which was/is Mostly 'palestinian' but given to an utterly Non-resident Saudi/Sunni/Hashemite prince; like 'Iraq'.
And t's the Palestinians who want a 100% Judenrein state.

Your posts show merely persistent Bias, not any knowledge whatsoever.
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[georgephillip]

Every Jew currently living between the River and the sea has a right to vote for those who write the laws (civil and military) she lives under. Every Arab of voting age living on same real estate does not.

Must be the wrong arab, indeed. The right arab gets to vote for abu-mazens, haniyas, etc., of course.

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.
Does that make all Jews right?

 

[georgephillip]

And I reiterate/bolded my last which made your post a Joke.
But to elaborate in more detail...

1. It's Basically NOT true. The Palestinians (BOTH of them) voted for their own leaders and administration.
2. To the degree it is true, it's a function of the War the Arabs Started/Lost .. and ..
3. Because Israel offered Back The Conquered land in 1967 in exchange for mere recognition and the Arabs Refused.
Google 'Three Nos Khartoum', August 1967
4. Another Blown chance in addition to 1948.
ONLY Thus 'occupation'.
3a/4a. You refuse a country AT LEAST Twice and then complain you're not a country? WTF. (not even adding in Camp David etc, that may total 5-10 times)
5. The palestinians (Egyptoid Gazan Hamastan and Left-over Syrian WB) can't even present a single front/govt to negotiate with, but again, they did elect those who govern them.
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Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza live under laws written and enforced by Jews yet

Just a repeated Lie.
Your main thing here.
Both 'palestinians' elected their leaders and live under their own rules. In fact, Gaza and the WB have Different policies/Laws.

Apparently when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, the Jews chose ethnocracy over democracy and now their choice reduces to Jewish state or democratic state.

Shocked! Another LIE and/or Grotesque Ignorance.
The land that was to become Israel had a JEWISH MAJORITY in 1947... 540,000/390,000. The other state, 'palestine', would have been app 100% Arab.

If you'd like to go for injustice I suggest 'Jordan' which was/is Mostly 'palestinian' but given to an utterly Non-resident Saudi/Sunni/Hashemite prince; like 'Iraq'.
And t's the Palestinians who want a 100% Judenrein state.

Your posts show merely persistent Bias, not any knowledge whatsoever.
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Do you believe the following data are accurate?

"According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, as of May 2006, of Israel's 7 million people, 77% were Jews, 18.5% Arabs, and 4.3% "others".[61] Among Jews, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim — 22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[62]

According to Palestinian evaluations, The West Bank is inhabited by approximately 2.4 million Palestinians and the Gaza Strip by another 1.4 million. According to a study presented at The Sixth Herzliya Conference on The Balance of Israel's National Security[63] there are 1.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank.

"This study was criticised by demographer Sergio DellaPergola, who estimated 3.33 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip combined at the end of 2005.[64]

"According to these Israeli and Palestinian estimates, the population in Israel and the Palestinian Territories stands at 9.8–10.8 million.

"Jordan has a population of around 6 million (2007 estimate).[65][66] Palestinians constitute approximately half of this number.[67]"

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

If an arab has Israeli citizenship and he or she has registered to vote they can vote.

If he or she live in Israel but are not Israeli citizens, then they are not allowed to vote, understandably.

If he or she is a citizen of the Palestinian Authority or Gaza, and are registered to vote, he or she can vote for the relevant government they want in those two areas.

Who controls to borders, airspace, and coastal waters of those Arabs voting on the West Bank or in Gaza?

"Sovereignty is the quality of having independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory..."

What "independent authority" controls the Occupied Territories and Gaza?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

 

[docmauser1]

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.

They bilk the international community on that stage performance - it's their occupation, of course.

 

[georgephillip]

Why is it some Jews never miss an chance to choose expansion over peace?

Drivel. So, when are we sending troops there?

Define "we".

 

[georgephillip]

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.

They bilk the international community on that stage performance - it's their occupation, of course.

The Occupation is part of their plan, of course:

"President Obama is, perhaps unwittingly, fulfilling this plan,(of a New Middle East) conceived in 1996 by an informal organization, the Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, headed by Richard Pearle and including well-known neo-conservatives, Douglas Feith, Meyrav Wurmser, David Wurmser, Robert Loewenberg, Charles Fairbanks, Jr. and James Colbert.

"All are connected with organizations favoring right-wing extremist Israeli policies toward Palestinians and other Middle East nations. The Study Group plan, titled 'A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm' was prepared for Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The 'clean break' refers to their advice that Israel break from the 1993 Oslo peace accords.

"The 1996 plan explicitly calls for attacks on Iraq, Syria and eventually Iran. It states: 'Israel can shape its strategic environment . . . by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.'"

But you already knew that, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Every Jew currently living between the River and the sea has a right to vote for those who write the laws (civil and military) she lives under. Every Arab of voting age living on same real estate does not.

Must be the wrong arab, indeed. The right arab gets to vote for abu-mazens, haniyas, etc., of course.

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.

If they feel so they may either get a life and a job, or move elsewhere and get a life and a job, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Why is it some Jews never miss an chance to choose expansion over peace?

Drivel. So, when are we sending troops there?

Define "we".

The people eagerly quoting the US/Middle East Project here, of course. So, when are we sending troops there?

 

[docmauser1]

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.

They bilk the international community on that stage performance - it's their occupation, of course.

The Occupation is part of their plan, of course:
"President Obama is, perhaps unwittingly, fulfilling this plan,(of a New Middle East) conceived in 1996 by an informal organization, the Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, headed by Richard Pearle and including well-known neo-conservatives, Douglas Feith, Meyrav Wurmser, David Wurmser, Robert Loewenberg, Charles Fairbanks, Jr. and James Colbert.
"All are connected with organizations favoring right-wing extremist Israeli policies toward Palestinians and other Middle East nations. The Study Group plan, titled 'A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm' was prepared for Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
"The 'clean break' refers to their advice that Israel break from the 1993 Oslo peace accords.
"The 1996 plan explicitly calls for attacks on Iraq, Syria and eventually Iran. It states: 'Israel can shape its strategic environment . . . by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.'" But you already knew that, of course.

When and where had palistanians been planning all that?

 

[georgephillip]

Must be the wrong arab, indeed. The right arab gets to vote for abu-mazens, haniyas, etc., of course.

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.

If they feel so they may either get a life and a job, or move elsewhere and get a life and a job, of course.

Would that represent a lateral transfer of Palestinians, Drivel?

Decades of Displacing Palestinians: How Israel Does It | Al-Shabaka

"Most discussion of Palestinian dispossession – including by Palestinians themselves – focuses on the 1948 Nakba and the forced exile of more than 700,000 Palestinians by Zionist forces intent on creating an Israeli state in mandate Palestine. However, the various measures that Israel has used to forcibly displace Palestinians since 1948 have received far less attention even though it is estimated that it has forcibly displaced 66% of the whole Palestinian population as part of its deliberate, longstanding plan to create and maintain a Jewish majority."

What happens when that Jewish majority vanishes from the page of time?

 

[docmauser1]

All Arabs between the River and the sea live with a Jew boot on their necks.

If they feel so they may either get a life and a job, or move elsewhere and get a life and a job, of course.

Would that represent a lateral transfer of Palestinians, Drivel?

Why would humanitarian transfer and resettlement of palistanians offend anyone? It's the original UNRWA task, of course.

Al-Shabaka

Al-Mossada?

What happens when that Jewish majority vanishes from the page of time?

What happens, when occupied California is returned to Mexico, and our honorable georgephillip is made to pay rent he hasn't been paying to the Mexican govt.?

 

[georgephillip]

The completely dishonorable Doctor Drivel will be dodging sharks in the eastern Mediterranean.

 

[Hossfly]

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
Doooh.

the facts are clear: the massive Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in 1948 was mostly due to natural increase and NOT immigration. another Uber-Zionist myth flushed.

Yeah, right.

You forget, Doc, that one of Miss Hoffstra relatives was there and saw more than what the English officials in the area did and he wrote this down in a diary that he left for her. I wonder if Miss Hoffstra is keeping her eyes open on Long Island to see how the population has changed there also, what with all the immigrants flooding into the metropolitan New York area the same way the Arabs from their poor surrounding countries flooded into Israel and are flooding into Europe these days, even on their rickety boats which makes the trip very, very dangerous. but if they arrive safely, the rewards are so great..

 

[Hossfly]

But WHO was 'Palestine'?
Arabs are referred to AS Arabs, tenant farmers, peasants: Not Palestinians.

The agreement BETWEEN the Arab state and Palestine/The JEWISH one.

The Faisal-Weizman agreement 1919
The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement

His Royal Highness the Emir FAISAL, representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of HEJAZ, AND Dr. Chaim Weizmann, representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization, mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations, is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine, and being desirous further of confirming the good understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following articles:

Article I

The Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.

Article II

Immediately following the completion of deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries BETWEEN the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.

Article III

In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantees for carrying into effect the British Government’s Declaration of the 2nd of November, 1917 (Balfour Declaration-SEH).

Article IV

All necessary measures will be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures the Arab peasants and tenant farmers shall be protected in their rights, and shall be assisted in forwarding their economic development.
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That was the same Faisal who got the Arabs 'Jordan' and 'Iraq' to be ruled by Saudi/Sunni/Hashemite princes.
Arabs did Not 'vote' on anything at the time, nor until recently.

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How do you justify rich imperialists in London deciding the fates of Jews and Arabs in Palestine?

"Article IX

"Any matters of dispute which may arise between the contracting parties shall be referred to the British Government for arbitration.

"Given under our hand at LONDON, ENGLAND, the Third DAY OF January, one thousand Nine Hundred and Nineteen."

The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement

It looks like Israel as a Jewish state would never have lurched into existence without its appeal to western imperial interests.

"The iron wall of English bayonets"

"The First World War and the Russian Revolution caused the collapse of Herzl's three beloved patrons, the Ottoman Empire, the German Kaiser, and Russian Tsarism.

"Though the Zionists played all sides covertly during the war, the more farsighted leaders anticipated that Britain would emerge as the dominant imperialist power from the war.

"Weizmann stated as early as 1914, 'We can reasonably say that should Palestine fall within the British sphere of influence, and should Britain encourage Jewish settlement there, as a British dependency, we could have in twenty to thirty years a million Jews Out there, perhaps more; they would develop the country, bring back civilization to it and form a very effective guard for the Suez Canal.'"

When the war ended, Palestine became a British colony and the Zionists ..." Yada, yada, yada...

The Hidden Roots of Zionism

Yessiree Bob, Georgie Boy keeps a list of all his favorite sites, and keeps on vomiting out from them on a regular basis. Georgie Boy reminds me of Calypso Louis Farakhan who hates the Jews as much as Geogie Boy does. By the way, Calypso Georgie, after World War I, so much of the Ottoman territory became colonies of Britain, of which you conveniently forget. Didn't the British also have colonies in Africa and decided the fate of your brethren, Georgie Boy?

 

[Hossfly]

British reports and studies show that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.

Lying to the world and claiming that the Palestinians are descended all from immigrants who came to Palestine during the Mandate due to new jobs created by the Zionists, is equal to Holocaust-denial.

Joan Peters is a liar and a fraud and all who accept her bullshit are equally liars and frauds, and co-conspirators.

Link to these British reports and studies? Why should we take your word for it?

Do we all agree that today there are nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea? If so, why is it that all Jews have a vote determining who will write the laws (civil and military) they live under while a majority of Arabs have no such franchise?

Could it be, Georgie Boy, that those Arabs don't happen to live in the State of Israel? Those Arabs who live in the State of Israel do have the right to vote. I doubt if Georgie Boy would ever concern himself that the millions of non Muslims living in Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia and the Emirates will never have the right to become citizens and vote.