Zone1 Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about

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You want to deny America's Christian heritage?

I do not deny what Ron Paul, a white Christian nationalist and religious bigot says here:
"Throughout our nation's history, Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state.

Ron Paul is a religious bigot because he only mentions “churches” as in Christian churches; he does not include mosques synagogues temples or any other means by which American citizens, beget morality and civility.

Senator Ron Paul is a white Christian nationalist because he doesn’t understand and support our treasure. - “American civil religion“
 
To a socialist all Christians are Christian Nationalists.
 
To a socialist all Christians are Christian Nationalists.

Are all black Americans who vote for Biden and will vote for him again even if Biden were in a coma, “socialists”, Saint_Ding?

Biden in a coma will be a better president the next four and a half years than a white Christian nationalist president like Trump could ever be,
 
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I spend no time, zero, thinking….
That is a more honest version of your rejection of the reality of white Christian nationalism.

Will the God the Father of Jesus send down his wrath on the New Jerusalem (The USA) because the godless sinners in the Democratic Party refused to join the Republican Christian driven cult dedicated to saving baby fetus with a biblical world view?

And now the Republicans in Wisconsin over the past weekend, took “saving baby fetus“ out of the Republican party platform. And the white Christian nationalists like Jenna Ellis are pissed.

The God of Abraham is surely gonna send Armageddon our way now isn’t he?
 
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Don't know any..

i. Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about. 240708 {post•81}. westwall says he doesn’t know any white Christian nationalists so : Describe them to us please.”
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ii. Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about. 240708 {post•89}.

NotfooledbyW Jul’24 Vsfywc: This message board has the perfect example of a white Christian nationalist by the unforgettable WCN spokesperson named Porter Rockwell. Saint Ding’s best budd. See para iii. nfbw 240709 Vsfywc00089


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a. Porter Rockwell Jan’20 Safbwf: The United States was founded by white Christians for the benefit of white Christians. •¥•. Personally, I do not find it racist or white supremacist in its proper context. But, what I'm telling you is true. The very first governing document of the New World began with these words: •¥¥•. Safbwf00001

b. Porter Rockwell Jan’20 Safbwf inserts excerpts from “Model of Christian Charity.: 'In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc. •¥•. Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith..." (see the Mayflower Compact of 1620) Safbwf00001

c. Porter Rockwell Jan’20 Safbwf: About a decade later in 1630, aboard the ship the Arbella, John Winthrop gave a sermon that has been cited (in part) by all kinds of statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. I'd like to give a couple of excerpts from that sermon and put this into perspective:

"First, in regard of the more near bond of marriage between Him and us, wherein He hath taken us to be His, after a most strict and peculiar manner, which will make Him the more jealous of our love and obedience. So He tells the people of Israel, you only have I known of all the families of the earth, therefore will I punish you for your transgressions.

...Thirdly, when God gives a special commission He looks to have it strictly observed in every article; When He gave Saul a commission to destroy Amaleck, He indented with him upon certain articles, and because he failed in one of the least, and that upon a fair pretense, it lost him the kingdom, which should have been his reward, if he had observed his commission.

...Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a commission..."

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf.

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d. Porter Rockwell Jan’20 Safbw The ONLY people to have a special commission from God were the biblical Israelites. That is how the colonists viewed themselves: They were the Israelites of the Bible; the land we call America was the promised land - the New Jerusalem.
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf. d. prtrrckwll 200112 Safbwf00001


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Don't know any. Describe them to us please.

I spend no time, zero, thinking about whatever a "Christian nationalist" is, and I'm an actual Christian.

To a socialist all Christians are Christian Nationalists.

Here ya go! Josh “the White Christian Fist”. Hawley,

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Some will say I'm calling America a Christian nation. And so I am. Some will say I'm advocating Christian nationalism. And so I do. My question is - is there any other kind worth having?" Senator Hawley said at "NatCon 4," the National Conservatism conference being held in Washington, D.C., this week

 
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The reason religious folks support Trump was summed-up the last go-round......"He may not be just like us but he doesn't hate us like the dems do".
Surely l DJT hates you white Christian nationalist. He just loves easily grifted moron working class who vote against working class self interest.
 
I don't know anyone who is proposing a theocracy.

We have a judicial theocracy on the Supreme Court that just put the Republican WCN Chosen One above the law and out of reach of the people. The six Catholics got there because of the following bigger than the Big Lie, Lie:


“Before fake news there was fake history, and one of the most significant examples has long been the religious right’s idea that America was founded as a “Christian nation.” Celebrate religious freedom — the way the Founding Fathers originally intended
 
Here ya go! Josh “the White Christian Fist”. Hawley,

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Some will say I'm calling America a Christian nation. And so I am. Some will say I'm advocating Christian nationalism. And so I do. My question is - is there any other kind worth having?" Senator Hawley said at "NatCon 4," the National Conservatism conference being held in Washington, D.C., this week

Is that it? Anything else?
 
We have a judicial theocracy on the Supreme Court that just put the Republican WCN Chosen One above the law and out of reach of the people. The six Catholics got there because of the following bigger than the Big Lie, Lie:


“Before fake news there was fake history, and one of the most significant examples has long been the religious right’s idea that America was founded as a “Christian nation.” Celebrate religious freedom — the way the Founding Fathers originally intended
Saying it is so does not make it so.
 
That is a lie. your house speaker is one. So are several of your more "outspoken" congresscritteres.

Christian nationalist are those who want government by their religious views to be the law of the land. They do things like mandate displays of the ten commandment in public schools and turn their "morals" into laws.
Sir, I am one of those evil doers who would like children to be introduced to the 10 commandments, commandments like coveting and lying is sinful.

After all, we realize you think such things are a virtue.

What should be done with me?
 
That is a lie. your house speaker is one. So are several of your more "outspoken" congresscritteres.

Christian nationalist are those who want government by their religious views to be the law of the land. They do things like mandate displays of the ten commandment in public schools and turn their "morals" into laws.

Preach on, brother! Jesus said "My kingdom is part of this World, so sieze earthly power and force our beliefs down everybody's throat!"
 
Saying it is so does not make it so.

You are a classic white Christian nationalist Saint_Ding because you continue to support Trump’s Christian profoundly anti-democratic agenda which included his J6 attempt to cancel the votes by black Christians who vote in big cities. You are deep into the white Christian driven saving baby fetus cult.

I can’t get you to read the full commentary on Christian nationalism and learn something outside of your white rightwing Christian bubble / but here’s another paragraph:
“It’s a popular misconception sometimes used to promote a profoundly anti-democratic agenda, the "Handmaid’s Tale"-style belief that Christians have a biblical mandate to control all earthly institutions – including government – until the second coming of Jesus.”Celebrate religious freedom — the way the Founding Fathers originally intended
 
Is that it? Anything else?

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We arrive once again at Religious Freedom Day on Jan. 16, when the Christian right will claim that its “freedom” to oppress others is under horrendous assault. For the third year in a row, they’ll be countered by a growing movement of modern-day Jeffersonians seeking to reclaim the real meaning of that day, and the real history that it celebrates — the hard-won freedom of all to practice whatever form of religious belief, or non-belief, their consciences guide them to.​
“When Christian Right leaders talk about religious liberty, they often really mean theocratic supremacism of their own religious beliefs inscribed in government,” author Frederick Clarkson pointed out in 2016, when I first wrote about Religious Freedom Day. Nothing has changed in their core agenda, but the awareness and willingness to confront it has grown, along with the understanding of how they operate.​
 
What's a Christian nationalist exactly?

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In fact, the U.S. Constitution was remarkable precisely because it didn’t claim to derive authority from God in the typical top-down manner, but instead, bottom-up, from the people, following the arguments used by John Locke to justify government, as well as his views on religious tolerance and the distinctions between secular and religious spheres of power. God is never mentioned in the Constitution, nor is any form of religion except in the negative: “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”​
What’s more, the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated by George Washington’s administration and ratified by the Senate in 1797, went out of its way on this point: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion … it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”​
Of course, many of the Founders were deeply religious — but that's one reason why they left God out of the constitution. They didn’t want government involved in promoting one group’s religious views over others. That had produced a century and a half of bloodshed in Europe in the wake of the Reformation, and had long been the cause of considerable suffering and strife in the colonies that became the United States. Celebrate religious freedom — the way the Founding Fathers originally intended
 
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Five Founding Fathers Who Would Be Rejected by the Religious Right Today.180603. {post•53}

ding Jun’18 Sfffww: You people don't really understand what a theocracy is or that the 1st Amendment allowed for state established religions, none of which were actual theocracies. dvng 180603 Sfffww00053


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With different states recognizing different state churches, there was another problem: If they had actually tried to establish a national religion, the United States would never have existed in the first place. But the path the Founders took embraced a new way forward, allowing the flourishing of religious freedom we take for granted today, but that was virtually unknown before then.​
Thanks to Jefferson and James Madison, Virginia had already shown the way in 1786, passing the Statute for Establishing Religious Freedom, which Jefferson had originally introduced nine years earlier. Clarkson has delved into this history before, as I reported last year, but we've encountered such a wave of disinformation from the religious right that it’s worth revisiting. This year, Clarkson has added another level of understanding to the mix, an analysis of how this false narrative is being put to work in more sophisticated ways.​
In a forthcoming article at The Public Eye, “A Manual to Restore a Christian Nation that Never Was,” Clarkson writes about the Family Research Council’s approach to organizing within churches, instead of from outside as the Christian Coalition formerly did. FRC forms “Cultural Impact Teams” and providing them with a 150-page three-ring binder of instructions and resources, the "Culture Impact Team Resource Manual." Clarkson got two copies (one for his pastor) at the FRC’s “Values Voter Summit” last October, and writes:​
Originally published in 2011, the manual — which includes, among other things, sample voter guides and instructions for church-based voter registration drives — has served as the primer for church-based, Christian Right political action for the past six years. It certainly played a role in the 2016 elections, and will no doubt continue to be used for the foreseeable future. ...​
Culture Impact Teams serve as the footsoldiers of a formidable political army, now waging its war from the center of politics and government, where they’ve been empowered to advance a dangerous suite of theocratic and persecutory policies. What’s often lost amid the consternation over Trump’s support among White evangelicals, is that it they are not just a mystifying demographic, but politically well organized. When people refer to “the base,” they are an important element; when they refer to the infrastructure of the Christian Right, CITs make up its foundation. And when we say that the Christian Right is promoting theocratic Dominionism, the manual is Exhibit A for showing not only that this ideology is shaping national policy, but it is directly related to how leading organizations of the Christian Right plan to continue building their base into the future.​
Perhaps the central contradiction in the false history they’re selling lies in how they misrepresent Thomas Jefferson. As explained on the Virginia Historical Society’s webpage devoted to Jefferson’s statute:​
To Jefferson, "Nature's God," who is undeniably visible in the workings of the universe, gives man the freedom to choose his religious beliefs. This is the divinity whom deists of the time accepted — a God who created the world and is the final judge of man, but who does not intervene in the affairs of man. This God who gives man the freedom to believe or not to believe is also the God of the Christian sects.​
The last sentence is an important one: It helps us understand why most Deists insisted that they were indeed Christians, while the religious conservatives of their time insisted that they were not. Sound familiar?​
Contemporary Dominionists like Kenyn Cureton, vice president of the FRC, argue that they are fighting to restore America to its foundations as a “Christian nation,” based on a “Christian worldview.” Jefferson stands in obvious opposition to this view. His actual worldview helped create the pluralistic realm we know today, in which Dominionists have the right to spread their lies, and we have the right -- and the responsibility, as freedom-loving people -- to expose those lies. Celebrate religious freedom — the way the Founding Fathers originally intended
 
i. Christianity more dangerous than Atheism. 170324. {post•626}. ding Mar’17 Scmdta: Ok, is Christian Dominionism a coordinated movement? Can you tell me what their agenda is? What they are seeking? dvng 170324 Scmdta00626

ii. Five Founding Fathers Who Would Be Rejected by the Religious Right Today.180603. {post•53}. ding Jun’18 Sfffww: You people don't really understand what a theocracy is or that the 1st Amendment allowed for state established religions, none of which were actual theocracies. dvng 180603 Sfffww00053



iii. Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about. 240710 {post•102}

NotfooledbyW Jul’24 Vsfycn: To begin to answer Saint_Ding’s three questions in his Post 170324 post•626 above - See Post: nfbw 240610 Vsfycn00101



iv. Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about. 240710 {post•102}

NotfooledbyW Jul’24 Vsfycn: Saint Ding asks in Post 170324 post•626, “Ok, is Christian Dominionism a coordinated movement?”

MAGA Mar-a-Lago and FRC Family Research Council are an association of Christian Dominionism Churches. They are certainly one the most coordinated mass voting base movements funded by billionaire elites and tithing in US History.

The MAGA:coalition attempted to overturn the 2020 election for its “infallible” leader after he lost the 2020 election as a sitting president. And The wife of a sitting Supreme Court Justice was nefariously involved in the J6, 2021 attempt to stop the transfer of power to Joe Biden, but it fortunately was not successful because the WCN Christian nationalists could not get Mike Pence on board because Pence put the Constitution ahead of his Christian dominionisn beliefs.
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Who Gets to Be a Church These Days? BY MOLLY OLMSTEAD. JULY 15, 2022.​
The Family Research Council is a notorious right-wing policy think tank and lobbying group that has for decades promoted anti-LGBTQ causes with such intensity the Southern Poverty Law Center labeled it a hate group.​
But according to a report from ProPublica published on Monday, since 2020, it has also been designated as an “association of churches.”​
In practical terms, this means that the FRC, as a religious institution, does not need to publicly file a Form 990 that allows anyone to get insight into its financial workings, including into certain assets, grants, and large salaries. It also makes it harder for the IRS to audit the group.​
It does not mean, however, that the FRC has suddenly remade itself into something entirely new.​
Instead, according to ProPublica, it simply claimed it had “partner churches” that shared in its goal of promoting pro-life and “religious freedom” causes, as well as helping “families flourish,” which is typically code for opposing LGBTQ rights. (The FRC also opposes pornography and divorce and promotes abstinence-based sex education and “parental rights.”)​
The FRC also claimed, on tax forms, that it holds chapel services at its office building for employees.​
Perhaps on paper the group was able to differentiate itself enough from its independent political arm, the Family Research Council Action, which does the more explicitly partisan work for the broader organization, endorsing candidates and lobbying for certain bills. But in reality, the two share the same employees and address.​
(Until he was accused of molesting multiple young girls, Josh Duggar, who was recently imprisoned for child pornography, was FRC Action’s executive director.)​
The nonprofit was formed about 30 years ago as a spin-off of the powerful fundamentalist policy group Focus on the Family because its political work endangered Focus on the Family’s tax-exempt status. And it’s not like the work has gotten less political.​
FRC’s current president, Tony Perkins, reportedly had a cozy relationship with President Donald Trump and was one of the key advocates behind Trump’s military transgender ban.​
But the FRC is only the latest such group to claim religious exemptions.​
In 2015, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association also attained church status. Soon afterward, Focus on the Family publicly declared itself a church.​
(According to the Washington Post, it had changed its status to protect donors’ identities; it still voluntarily releases financial information in its 990s.)​
In 2018, the far-right legal group Liberty Counsel, which represented Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in her efforts to avoid giving licenses for same-sex marriages, was given the same reclassification. M(Like Perkins, Liberty Counsel supported the efforts to overthrow the 2020 election.)​
Avoiding public scrutiny isn’t the only reason an evangelical nonprofit might want to register as a church. A key point here, particularly with a judiciary so currently inclined toward prioritizing religious interests, is that being labeled a religious group might protect nonprofits legally if they’re found to be discriminating against potential gay employees or are getting into other legal disputes over LGBTQ rights. Z It also fits with a broader trend: In the last few years, Christian nationalists have begun to campaign more aggressively against the ideas that underpin the IRS rules and the very concept of the separation of church and state.​
In April, Doug Mastriano, the Republican nominee in the Pennsylvania gubernatorial race, went ahead and called that a “myth.”​
In May, the right-wing megachurch pastor Greg Locke announced that he had “dissolved” his church’s tax-exempt 501(c)(3) status “’cause the government ain’t gonna tell me what I can and what I can’t say.”​
Recently, Rep. Lauren Boebert said she was “tired of this separation of church and state​

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compare the trials as well, and the behavior of a guy accused of raping a porn star at trial with the example of christ before pilate.

coesar is out to get me. he sent this guy all the way from rome to get christ,

but they aren't coming for me. they are coming for ypu blather asnd repeat the shark shit. ........
Jesus simply went along with the charges his political enemies had brought against him, declining to defend himself.

He was hung.
 
i. Christianity more dangerous than Atheism. 170324. {post•626}. ding Mar’17 Scmdta: Ok, is Christian Dominionism a coordinated movement? Can you tell me what their agenda is? What they are seeking? dvng 170324 Scmdta00626
ii. Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about. 240710 {post•102} NotfooledbyW Jul’24 Vsfycn: To begin to answer Saint_Ding’s three questions in his Post 170324 post•626 above - See Post: nfbw 240610 Vsfycn00101


iii. Something for you "christian nationalists" to think about. 240710 {post•104}

NotfooledbyW Jul’24 Vsfycn: Saint Ding asks in his Post 170324 post•626 in para i. “what is the agenda of Christian Dominionism?” nfbw 240710 Vsfycn00104

What Is Dominionism?​
SEPTEMBER 08, 2011 BY PATHEOS EDITORS. What Is Dominionism?
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The term "Dominionism" was coined in the late 20th century by sociologists trying to identify a particular and narrow stream of Christian political thought. The idea of "Dominionism" derives from the King James term in Genesis 1:28: "And God blessed [Adam and Eve], and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."​
While most Christians - liberal and conservative, Roman Catholic and Protestant - interpret this verse as a call to be good stewards of creation, Dominionists interpret it as a mandate to govern the earth politically in the name of God.​
•¥• Dominionism teaches that the United States is an inherently Christian nation, and that consequently Christians should determine its values, political structures, mores, and cultural practices.
Dominionism has often been tied to Christian Reconstructionism, a radically conservative movement initiated by R. J. Rushdoony (1916-2001).​
Christian Reconstructionism teaches that the laws of God, as expressed in the Bible, should be the laws of the State. This idea is called theonomy.​
Though Dominionism and Christian Reconstructionism overlap in areas, not all Dominionists are Reconstructionists. In fact, most conservative Christians are unaware of Dominionism or its teachings, and most who are aware of Dominionism in its Reconstructionist form would reject its premises.​
Dominionist ideas lie on a political spectrum, and some mild forms are nothing more than a strong nationalism and a belief that Christian values belong in the public sphere. Most who believe this way would strongly support the separation of Church and State and the democratic process.​
They advocate cooperation with non-Christian groups and organizations that share their moral values, and uphold the Constitution and the democratic process.​
Other, more aggressive, forms of Dominionist thinking - whether acknowledged as such or not - include​
•¥¥•. a vigorous activism that aims at the establishment of a Christian society governed solely by Christians for the larger good. They do not advocate violence, and do not seek to subvert the political process so much as to manipulate it until a theonomic society can be accomplished.
Rhetoric about Dominionism has permeated the media as the campaigning begins for the 2012 election. Several candidates have been accused of being Dominionists, including Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry, though no one accepts the label.​
Related Reading. "Michele Bachmann and Dominionism Paranoia" by Douglas Groothuis at Patheos.com​
"Just Because You're Paranoid, Don't Mean They're Not After You" by Jason Pitzl-Waters, The Wild Hunt at Patheos.com​
"Be Not Afraid of Evangelicals" by Lisa Miller, The Washington Post​
Select Bibliography​
Political Research Associates​
(Guilford Press, 1995).​
Norton & Co., 2007).​
H. Wayne House and Thomas Ice,​
Dominion Theology: Blessing or Curse? (Multnomah Publications, 1988)​

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NotfooledbyW Jul’24 Vsfycn: Para •¥• above explains for Saint_Ding that Dominionism is a Biblical worldview that the United States is an inherently Christian nation, and that consequently Christians should determine its values, political structures, mores, and cultural practices.

That is what Saint_Ding writes on a weekly basis for years.

Para •¥¥• could be an answer to Saint_Ding’s question if he will read it after putting aside his Dominiionist, Catholic white Christian nationalist vigorous written activism that aims at the establishment of a Christian society governed solely by Christians for the larger good. (see Saint_Ding’s posts advocating misdemeanor laws to shame and charge women when they have an abortion) of course Saint_Ding does not advocate violence, but his support of MAGA after J6,2021 implies Saint_Ding self/righteously seeks to subvert the political process so much as to manipulate it until a theonomic society can be accomplished. nfbw 240710 Vsfycn00104
 
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