Some Dead...More Equal Than Others

[PoliticalChic]

The moon is made of cheese!

Actually...your cerebrum seems to be.


Facts:
Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race... Communism....international socialism.

Both Left wing.....as are Liberalism and Progressivism

Not one of you unwitting nazi fellow travelers has ever picked up Mein Kampf.

It shows. In letters as big as the famous Hollywood sign.

It's a polemic, you fool.....made to convince people of what Hitler wanted them to believe....

....and you bought it like it was on sale.


Did you know that if you say ‘gullible’ very slowly it sounds like ‘oranges.’

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's important for people with Nazi tendencies like PC to delude themselves that Nazis are left wing. Because as these far right wingers become more and more Nazi-like, their delusion tells them they can't be Nazi-like, "because Nazis are left wing", and therefore they are doing what is right.

1. Let's see the relationship Roosevelt, the Progressive icon, had with Hitler

1. 1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.” Get that part where Roosevelt's book could have been written by a Nazi!!!! 2.In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

See...now, aren't you wishing you had an education, and you wouldn't look like such a fool?

 

[g5000]

More Adolf:

Today, Germany is the next great objective of Bolshevism. We will need all the strength of a young missionary idea to again rescue our nation from the entanglement of the international serpent and to stop the contamination of our blood. Only then will we be able to protect our nation and prevent the last catastrophe from ever again being repeated (meaning the Revolution.) If we pursue this goal, then it would be madness to unite with a power that is ruled by the very enemy who means death to our own future. How can we free our nation from the slavery of this poisonous embrace if we willingly walk into it? How can the German worker come to understand that Bolshevism is a damnable crime against humanity when we choose as our allies the very organizations of this evil plan and acknowledge it as an equal? How can we condemn a member of the broad masses for his sympathy toward a world philosophy when the leaders of the State choose the representatives of that World-Concept as an ally? The struggle against the Jewish effort to convert the world to Bolshevism requires that we clarify our attitude toward Russia. After all, we cannot drive out Satan by using Beelzebub. If race-aware circles today are enthusiastic over the idea of an alliance with Russia, they need only to look around Germany to realize whose support they have. Or do the recent racialists think anything that is recommended by the Marxist international Jewish press is going to be beneficial to the German nation? Since when do racialists go to battle with a weapon offered by the Jew? Has the Jew become our shieldbearer? There is one main criticism that can be made against the old German Reich concerning its policy of alliances: It ruined its relations with everyone because it constantly swayed back and forth in an unsound and weak effort to preserve world peace at all costs. There is also one thing it could not be criticized for; it did not maintain a good relationship with Russia. I admit that even before the First World War, I already believed it was a wiser course for Germany to renounce her foolish colonial policy, renounce her commercial and naval fleet, and ally herself with England against Russia. This would have taken Germany from a weak international policy to a definite European policy of continental territorial conquest.

 

[g5000]

Adolf chuckles over Political-Chic's ignorant gullbility:

The red color of our posters alone attracted them into our meeting-halls. The ordinary privileged-class was quite horrified to see us using the red of the Bolsheviks and regarded it as very curious scandal. The spirits among German-Nationalists kept whispering to one another their suspicion that basically, we were only a variation of Marxism, maybe even Marxists or some kind of Socialists in disguise. These brains have still not grasped the difference between Socialism and Marxism. When they discovered that we omitted the standard greeting “ladies and gentlemen” and instead used “comrades” and that among ourselves we spoke only of “Party comrades”, many saw this as proof of the Marxist ghost. How often we shook with laughter at these simpleminded, scared privileged-class rabbits with their clever guesswork about our origin, our intentions, and our aim.

We chose the color red for our posters after careful and thorough consideration. It was in order to provoke the political Left wing, to drive them into fury, and to lure their members into our meetings. If nothing else we could at least break their people away and gain a chance to talk to them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

More Adolf:

Today, Germany is the next great objective of Bolshevism. We will need all the strength of a young missionary idea to again rescue our nation from the entanglement of the international serpent and to stop the contamination of our blood. Only then will we be able to protect our nation and prevent the last catastrophe from ever again being repeated (meaning the Revolution.) If we pursue this goal, then it would be madness to unite with a power that is ruled by the very enemy who means death to our own future. How can we free our nation from the slavery of this poisonous embrace if we willingly walk into it? How can the German worker come to understand that Bolshevism is a damnable crime against humanity when we choose as our allies the very organizations of this evil plan and acknowledge it as an equal? How can we condemn a member of the broad masses for his sympathy toward a world philosophy when the leaders of the State choose the representatives of that World-Concept as an ally? The struggle against the Jewish effort to convert the world to Bolshevism requires that we clarify our attitude toward Russia. After all, we cannot drive out Satan by using Beelzebub. If race-aware circles today are enthusiastic over the idea of an alliance with Russia, they need only to look around Germany to realize whose support they have. Or do the recent racialists think anything that is recommended by the Marxist international Jewish press is going to be beneficial to the German nation? Since when do racialists go to battle with a weapon offered by the Jew? Has the Jew become our shieldbearer? There is one main criticism that can be made against the old German Reich concerning its policy of alliances: It ruined its relations with everyone because it constantly swayed back and forth in an unsound and weak effort to preserve world peace at all costs. There is also one thing it could not be criticized for; it did not maintain a good relationship with Russia. I admit that even before the First World War, I already believed it was a wiser course for Germany to renounce her foolish colonial policy, renounce her commercial and naval fleet, and ally herself with England against Russia. This would have taken Germany from a weak international policy to a definite European policy of continental territorial conquest.

You've already been put in your place.....last seat in the dumb row.

 

[g5000]

"The spirits among German-Nationalists kept whispering to one another their suspicion that basically, we were only a variation of Marxism".

"How often we shook with laughter at these simpleminded, scared privileged-class rabbits with their clever guesswork about our origin, our intentions, and our aim."

Simpleminded. Yup.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Adolf speaks of Political-Chic:

The red color of our posters alone attracted them into our meeting-halls. The ordinary privileged-class was quite horrified to see us using the red of the Bolsheviks and regarded it as very curious scandal. The spirits among German-Nationalists kept whispering to one another their suspicion that basically, we were only a variation of Marxism, maybe even Marxists or some kind of Socialists in disguise. These brains have still not grasped the difference between Socialism and Marxism. When they discovered that we omitted the standard greeting “ladies and gentlemen” and instead used “comrades” and that among ourselves we spoke only of “Party comrades”, many saw this as proof of the Marxist ghost. How often we shook with laughter at these simpleminded, scared privileged-class rabbits with their clever guesswork about our origin, our intentions, and our aim.

This is like shooting (stupid) fish in a barrel.

1. Then there's this:
a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

The film goes on to show a series of Nazi and Russian propaganda posters....except for the language, almost identical.


2. Archival footage shows Nazi and Russian officers partying together. The USSR became the supplier of oil, iron ore, construction materials for Hitler's Blitzkrieg. And trainloads of grain, even while Russians were starving.


3. The Soviet Premier Molotov warned the West not to fight Nazi ideology. And in his address to the Supreme Soviet in the Kremlin, Molotov declared that fighting Nazi ideology was actually a crime.....because the two ideologies and methods were the same. Molotov oversaw the extermination of 7 million Ukrainians; Hitler, the Jews.

a. Many Jews fled to the USSR....where Stalin rounded them up, and delivered them to the Gestapo as a gesture of friendship.


4. "The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov,Stalinplanned to useNazi Germanyas a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support toAdolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing theRed Armyto “liberate” the whole ofEuropefrom Nazi occupation."
Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Get that???

Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."



Oh, man...you must feel like such a fool.
I almost feel sorry for you.....


....almost.

 

[g5000]

How We Know Hitler Was A Liberal US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[g5000]

Earlier I said 'As a group, Liberals are largely in favor of the balkanization that follows multiculturalism.'

Government Policy and Multiculturalism US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

The Constitution in a Multicultural Society US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Multiculturalism and Sharia US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

The code words for the Ayers curriculum are "social justice," a "transformative" vision, "critical pedagogy," "liberation," "capitalist injustices," "critical race theory," "queer theory," and of course multiculturalism and feminism." Social Justice Code Word for Anti-Americanism -- January 2009 Phyllis Schlafly Report

Multiculturalism.....the heart of the identity politics of Liberals/Progressives/Democrats, is the reason for the failure.

Multiculturalism is, a posteriori, balkanization.

Step 2 on how to destroy America:

2. .... then invent “multiculturalism” and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture.

Based on this thread, I believe that one can see that the openness of our society, the desire to make newcomers feel accepted, plus the less than careful attention to the best interests of our nation by our politicians, may lead to disastrous results.

It may have begun.
And multiculturalism is the first step.

Hitler had an obsession with multiculturalism, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Leftism includes Nazism, communism, socialism, Liberalism and Progressivism.
In the following, find more support for the view that Leftism has no respect for human life....



5. Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

 

[ChrisL]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

 

[ChrisL]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ??? What ...is ...the ...point? You believe people here in America on the left want to commit genocide?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

 

[ChrisL]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Leftist governance.....marked by failure, slaughter, and oppression.



6. There were so very many corpses that the regime actually nationalized the funeral industry (December of 1918). "To die in Russia in these times is easy, but to be buried is very difficult."


a. More failure due to Leftist policies: " War Communism attempted to abolish money as a means of exchange. The Bolsheviks wanted to go over to a system of a natural economy in which all transactions were carried out in kind. Effectively, bartering would be introduced. By 1921, the value of the ruble had dropped massively and inflation had markedly increased." War Communism - History Learning Site

b. " Ninotchka's funeral in November 1919 cost 30,000 [writes another diarist]; Uncle Edward's funeral in December 1921 was 5,000,000; M. M.'s funeral in March 1922 was 33,000,000"



7..The real 'coin of the realm' of Leftist nations is the number dead. How to calculate the number killed....the number dead? And the number never born....

... in the Russian case, there were a further 12 million civilian losses.‘[T]hese figures tell only half the story, since obviously, under normal conditions, the population would not have remained stationary but grown,’ writes Richard Pipes inRussia Under the Bolshevik Regime. By this calculation the number goes up to 23 million. And there is, I think, a good case for including the birth deficit. Because the Russian experiment wasn’t conducted for the betterment of the poor wretches who happened to be alive at the time; it was conducted in the name of their children and their children’s children…
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread"



And so it continues in a 'worker's paradise'.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. The numbers, produced by Leftist control, whether Nazi or communist atrocities, slaughter was the hallmark.


The Nazis burned the evidence....the communists mass graved them....and sometimes the earth gave up its evidence...as happened in the frozen gulags of Siberia....


" These graves, enormous stone pits, were filled to the brim with corpses. The bodies had not decayed; they were just bare skeletons over which stretched dirty, scratched skin bitten all over by lice.

The north resisted with all its strength this work of man, not accepting the corpses into its bowels. Defeated, humbled, retreating, stone promised to forget nothing, to wait and preserve its secret. The severe winters, the hot summers, the winds, the six years of rain had not wrenched the dead men from the stone. The earth opened, baring its subterranean storerooms, for they contained not only gold and lead, tungsten and uranium, but also undecaying human bodies.


These human bodies slid down the slope, perhaps attempting to arise. From a distance, from the other side of the creek, I had previously seen these moving objects that caught up against branches and stones; I had seen them through the few trees still left standing and I thought that they were logs that had not yet been hauled away.


Now the mountain was laid bare, and its secret was revealed. The grave "opened," and the dead men slid down the stony slope. Near the tractor road an enormous new common grave was dug. Who had dug it? No one was taken from the barracks for this work. It was enormous, and I and my companions knew that if we were to freeze and die, place would be found for us in this new grave, this housewarming for dead men.


The bulldozer scraped up the frozen bodies, thousands of bodies of thousands of skeleton-like corpses. Nothing had decayed: the twisted fingers, the pus-filled toes which were reduced to mere stumps after frostbite, the dry skin scratched bloody and eyes burning with a hungry gleam." The American Dissident

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

Actually, it was the fault of pure evil... evil embodied in two political ideologies, National Socialism (Nazi's) and the Communists.
FACT.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

Actually, it was the fault of pure evil... evil embodied in two political ideologies, National Socialism (Nazi's) and the Communists.
FACT.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."

You used your "quote" above as part of your proof for your thesis; your premise that Fascism and Communism methodology and ideology were one and the same. I haven't been able to locate a source for that quote to see what is written before the ellipsis, so I'm led to believe you didn't want to disclose that or an exact source you claim to have quoted by Molotov, which is actually a quote of yourself from your #3 in post #27. Quoting yourself in the same post?

In any case...

We all SHOULD know that collectivism was a major goal following the Bolshevik Revolution with the rise of Leninist/Marxist Communism. As initiated by Lenin and followed on by Stalin later on and through WWII, collectivism in its various forms was maintained over the entire period of the Nazi regime from 1933-1945 in the USSR.

Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists and neither agriculture nor private property of Arians were collectivized. Private companies like Krupp, Messerschmitt, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Focke-Wulf, et al, were among the industrial base when the Nazis came to power. None of those businesses were collectivized. Competitors such as Heinkel, Messerschmitt, and Focke-Wulf competed for contracts with the Reich for aircraft design and production. Krupp was the worlds largest arms manufacturer. They made a lots of Marks!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and ideologically the same? The two certainly were not!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and methodologically the same? The two certainly were not!

The main political parallel between the two was both regimes were totalitarian. The Communist collectivists were on far left of the political spectrum, while the Nazi fascists were on the opposite end, the far right during that period.

The two ideologies and methodologies were definitely not the same.

Put away your biased Randian colored glasses, Chica.

BTW, you PLAGIARIZED yourself by not attributing the quote I noted at the top to yourself!

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. Of course, every permutation of Leftist doctrine is based, to a greater or lesser degree, on opposition to religion. Every one of its political forms inveighs against spiritual beliefs, and advances materialistic ones.


Here is one of the ineluctable consequences:
The famine, the mass murder, the genocides, was largely a weapon against religion....



a. . As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.



b. The Soviet regime encouraged cremation, coffins, in fact, were considered decadent, and burning the bodies undermined the Orthodox Church, which expressly prescribed interment.




10. But not for all corpses....

“Lenin suffered his first stroke in May 1922....There were further strokes....‘The cult of dead bodies and of these dolls must end,' read the Justice Department's instruction. The policy ceased to apply when, in January 1924, Lenin had his last stroke. A powerful refrigerator was imported from Germany, and the Immortalization Commission worked flat out for six months, anxiously monitoring the mould on Lenin's nose and fingers. The corpse was rendered incorruptible, by science, and enshrined as an icon."
Amis, "Koba The Dread," p. 57-58



So the national slaughter was in support of, and to benefit, Leftism...

....but some dead are more equal than others......