Socialism will continue to come to a town near you.

[tooAlive]

Wikipedia on Communism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.[3] This movement, in its Marxist–Leninist interpretations, significantly influenced the history of the 20th century, which saw intense rivalry between the "socialist world" (socialist states ruled by communist parties) and the "western world" (countries with capitalist economies).[4]

 

[Political Junky]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) in full, was the ideology of the Nazi Party in Germany and related movements outside Germany.[1][2][3][4][5] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[6] Nazism developed in Germany from the influence of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[7] The German Nazi Party and its affiliates in Germanic states supported pan-Germanicism.[8] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[9] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior, who were said to be a threat to national survival.[10][11]
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[tooAlive]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) in full, was the ideology of the Nazi Party in Germany and related movements outside Germany.[1][2][3][4][5] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[6] Nazism developed in Germany from the influence of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[7] The German Nazi Party and its affiliates in Germanic states supported pan-Germanicism.[8] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[9] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior, who were said to be a threat to national survival.[10][11]
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... He fought communists.

Tell me how Nazi Germany's economy was any different from the USSR's.

 

[tooAlive]

Here you go Franco. More stuff for you to learn from.

Unless you think WorldSocialism.org is again, right-wing propaganda..

The word &#8220;communism&#8221; has different meanings to different people. To Marx, communism and socialism were interchangeable. Lenin distinguished these words, but not in the way we would today. By socialism he meant a society where everybody would be an employee of the state, which would own all the means of production. This should properly be called state capitalism. By communism he meant what up to then had been called socialism, a classless, moneyless, wageless society with common ownership and democratic control. So Lenin&#8217;s &#8220;communism&#8221; is what we normally refer to as &#8220;socialism&#8221; and what Lenin called &#8220;socialism&#8221; is what most of the world thinks of as &#8220;communism&#8221; and what we like to call state capitalism. Lenin&#8217;s socialism was not the goal of Lenin or the Bolsheviks, but the goal was communism or &#8220;true&#8221; socialism.

So why was this goal never achieved? Why does every communist country in the world have state capitalism? One of the many important ways Lenin disagreed with current socialism is in believing that to achieve this classless moneyless state, a country must go through a transitional phase, where most of the productive property is owned in common by the state, but where class differences remain. This is what Marx and Engels referred to as the &#8220;&#64257;rst phase&#8221; of communism. This belief in a transitional phase aided in the communists undoing; they remained permanently stuck in transition. Stalin pronounced that &#8220;socialism&#8221; had been achieved in 1936 and believed that Russia was headed for communism, as did Khrushchev. But Gorbachev, when he became leader in 1985, put off the establishment of communism inde&#64257;nitely &#8212; virtually abandoning it as a goal.

The state capitalism of the Soviet Union and other &#8220;communist&#8221; countries differs from what we call socialism in so many ways that they have almost nothing in common. Socialism must have democracy in every aspect of life. But in the Soviet Union, it has never had a majority support. This stemed from a differnce in beliefs. Marx believed that the working class must free itself, while Lenin believed that freedom must come from somewhere outside of the working class. Democracy and the self-determination of the working class have never been strong points in the Soviet Union. Instead there was a belief in strong leaders, which lead to a succession of totalitarian states. Socialists, on the other hand, believe in a leaderless society; a primary tenant of socialism is to bring about a classless society in which we can generally regard each other as equals. In addion to not eliminating classes, neither were money, wages, or pro&#64257;ts eliminated from Soviet life. Freedom was not achieved and the self-emancipation of the working class, as advocated by Marx, remains a goal.

It was not surprising that communism fell in the Soviet Union. It was locked in a permanent state of transition without true democracy or popular support. In 1990, the Socialist Standard wrote:

&#8220;We welcome the fall in these countries of the dictatorial regimes that have dragged the names of socialism and Marx through the mud by wrongly associating them with one-party rule, a police regime, food shortages and regimentation and indoctrination from the cradle to the grave.

&#8220;As Socialists who have always held, like Marx, that socialism and democracy are inseparable and who denounced Lenin&#8217;s distortion of Marxism right from 1917, we vehemently deny that it is socialism that has failed in Eastern Europe. What has failed there is totalitarian state capitalism falsely masquerading as socialism.&#8221;

"Communism"

 

[Political Junky]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) in full, was the ideology of the Nazi Party in Germany and related movements outside Germany.[1][2][3][4][5] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[6] Nazism developed in Germany from the influence of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[7] The German Nazi Party and its affiliates in Germanic states supported pan-Germanicism.[8] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[9] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior, who were said to be a threat to national survival.[10][11]
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... He fought communists.

Tell me how Nazi Germany's economy was any different from the USSR's.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[15] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[15] Hitler did not want the ideology's socialism to be conflated with Marxian socialism. He claimed that true socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and stated that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism."[16] Nazism denounced both capitalism and communism for being associated with Jewish materialism.[17] Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of a national solidarity that would transcend class differences.[18][19] Like other fascist movements, Nazism supported the outlawing of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded as a threat to national unity.[20] Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.[20]

 

[tooAlive]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) in full, was the ideology of the Nazi Party in Germany and related movements outside Germany.[1][2][3][4][5] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[6] Nazism developed in Germany from the influence of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[7] The German Nazi Party and its affiliates in Germanic states supported pan-Germanicism.[8] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[9] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior, who were said to be a threat to national survival.[10][11]
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... He fought communists.

Tell me how Nazi Germany's economy was any different from the USSR's.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The German Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name, as Hitler at the time preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[15] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as being based upon a commitment of an individual to a community.[15] Hitler did not want the ideology's socialism to be conflated with Marxian socialism. He claimed that true socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and stated that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism."[16] Nazism denounced both capitalism and communism for being associated with Jewish materialism.[17] Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of a national solidarity that would transcend class differences.[18][19] Like other fascist movements, Nazism supported the outlawing of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded as a threat to national unity.[20] Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.[20]

Stop quoting what Hitler said and explain to me how what Hitler did with Germany's economy was any different from USSR's economy.

Were there any private companies in Nazi Germany that ran without any input from the government?

NO!!

Even your own link says so.

Nazism supported the outlawing of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded as a threat to national unity[/B].[20] Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.

The state controlled the wage and salary levels, the state controlled what companies produced, how much they sold products for, who ran the companies, ect...

Oh, but they didn't allow workers to strike.. So what? Do you think the USSR was happy when government workers went on strike? Please.

And tell me more about how Germans enjoyed ownership of their own private property..

C'mon man.

 

[Cowman]

You guys keep complaining about Obama but what are you doing about it? Are you uniting, coming up with alternitives, prodding your so called leaders to act like they know what the f--k is going on? Hillary will be coming next. Another stinking Socialist for 8 more years who wants this country run just like Chavez did his. I might sound a little alarmist but someone shake me and tell me it is just a dream.

We've already had socialism in this country in pretty much every single city and every state in the country.

We have a great many socialist ideals that are vital to our way of life and that almost everyone in the population holds dear.

This president is no more socialist than the last, or the one before.

Socialism is a word that you use to scare yourselves into a motivated state of being. You inject yourself with it every day to give yourself a little political boost and pep in your step feeling that you are righteous.

 

[Flopper]

Hitler hated socialists because they were democrats and tolerant, communists even more. Read something. That's a brand new theory, for dupes only.

Who didn't hitler hate? He hated everybody that didn't belong to his specific party. He wanted to eliminate any other party or group that could get in their way of seizing total control.

He also hated homosexuals and is said to have had homosexual tendencies. So the fact that he "hated" socialists doesn't me he wasn't one himself.

He was. And his National Socialist German Workers Party followed the exact path as other socialist countries in history.

Though the Nazis called themselves National Socialists, they were actually on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Socialists - Right-wingers

 

[tooAlive]

And more on communism from lefty-grandaddy Marx himself.

Marxism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Karl Marx hypothesized that, as the productive forces and technology continued to advance, socialism would eventually give way to a communist stage of social development. Communism would be a classless, stateless, moneyless society based on common ownership and the principle of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Is this propaganda, Franco?

 

[Political Junky]

"Nazism favoured private property"
That is from the article above.

 

[tooAlive]

Hitler hated socialists because they were democrats and tolerant, communists even more. Read something. That's a brand new theory, for dupes only.

Who didn't hitler hate? He hated everybody that didn't belong to his specific party. He wanted to eliminate any other party or group that could get in their way of seizing total control.

He also hated homosexuals and is said to have had homosexual tendencies. So the fact that he "hated" socialists doesn't me he wasn't one himself.

He was. And his National Socialist German Workers Party followed the exact path as other socialist countries in history.

Though the Nazis called themselves National Socialists, they were actually on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Socialists - Right-wingers

I'm not going off of what their party was called. Read my last post.

 

[tooAlive]

"Nazism favoured private property"
That is from the article above.

Which a complete lie, as everything else Hitler ever said.

From your article,

Hitler believed that private ownership was useful in that it encouraged creative competition and technical innovation, but insisted that it had to conform to national interests and be "productive" rather than "parasitical".[136] Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals then the state could nationalize it.[137] Although the Nazis privatised public properties and public services, they also increased economic state control.[138] Under Nazi economics, free competition and self-regulating markets diminished; nevertheless, Hitler's social Darwinist beliefs made him reluctant to entirely disregard business competition and private property as economic engines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naziism - In the Economy section

 

[auditor0007]

You guys keep complaining about Obama but what are you doing about it? Are you uniting, coming up with alternitives, prodding your so called leaders to act like they know what the f--k is going on? Hillary will be coming next. Another stinking Socialist for 8 more years who wants this country run just like Chavez did his. I might sound a little alarmist but someone shake me and tell me it is just a dream.

Yea, Obama and Hillary, and all Democrats are just like Hugo Chavez. We all want the government to take over the oil companies and nationalize them, along with many other businesses.

 

[tooAlive]

You guys keep complaining about Obama but what are you doing about it? Are you uniting, coming up with alternitives, prodding your so called leaders to act like they know what the f--k is going on? Hillary will be coming next. Another stinking Socialist for 8 more years who wants this country run just like Chavez did his. I might sound a little alarmist but someone shake me and tell me it is just a dream.

Yea, Obama and Hillary, and all Democrats are just like Hugo Chavez. We all want the government to take over the oil companies and nationalize them, along with many other businesses.

Pretty much.

(Meltdown at 0:35 seconds)

[ame=http://youtu.be/o3I-PVVowFY]Maxine Waters (D) Slip of the Tongue Reveals True Intentions (Socialism for America) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[auditor0007]

You guys keep complaining about Obama but what are you doing about it? Are you uniting, coming up with alternitives, prodding your so called leaders to act like they know what the f--k is going on? Hillary will be coming next. Another stinking Socialist for 8 more years who wants this country run just like Chavez did his. I might sound a little alarmist but someone shake me and tell me it is just a dream.

Yea, Obama and Hillary, and all Democrats are just like Hugo Chavez. We all want the government to take over the oil companies and nationalize them, along with many other businesses.

Pretty much.

(Meltdown at 0:35 seconds)

[ame=http://youtu.be/o3I-PVVowFY]Maxine Waters (D) Slip of the Tongue Reveals True Intentions (Socialism for America) - YouTube[/ame]

Of course, most Dems are not huge fans of Maxine Waters, but keep thinking that we all want to nationalize everything. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

 

[tooAlive]

Of course, most Dems are not huge fans of Maxine Waters, but keep thinking that we all want to nationalize everything. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

I think most Democrats would agree with Obama if such a proposition was made.

 

[Agit8r]

Of course, most Dems are not huge fans of Maxine Waters, but keep thinking that we all want to nationalize everything. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

I think most Democrats would agree with Obama if such a proposition was made.

A majority of the Democratic party is moderate or centrist.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

You guys keep complaining about Obama but what are you doing about it? Are you uniting, coming up with alternitives, prodding your so called leaders to act like they know what the f--k is going on? Hillary will be coming next. Another stinking Socialist for 8 more years who wants this country run just like Chavez did his. I might sound a little alarmist but someone shake me and tell me it is just a dream.

Socialism! hahahahahahahaha We've already had that for decades. No one seems to pay attention or care there are two more REAL threats to us - Our government becoming a "Corporate Oligarchy" and our education system being a farce. If we are headed to "Third World" status, and I'm not talking about European financially fucked but REAL Third World status, we ovethrow the Corporate Oligarchy and start teaching people to THINK.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeTbDdl7XiE]America Is Not A Democracy - Noam Chomsky - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bripat9643]

Though the Nazis called themselves National Socialists, they were actually on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Socialists - Right-wingers

Yeah, right. The Nazis believed in limited government and free enterprise.

Liberals mindlessly bleat that the Nazis were on the right, but most, like you, don't even know what the Nazi economic policies were.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course, most Dems are not huge fans of Maxine Waters, but keep thinking that we all want to nationalize everything. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

I think most Democrats would agree with Obama if such a proposition was made.

A majority of the Democratic party is moderate or centrist.

Almost all the elected Democrats are socialists or communists.