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Any of you guys ever vote third party ?
Several times. I wish I could this time, that's for sure.
Why can't you?

Jo is better than Joe. Go for it.
No, I have to vote against Trump, and the most effective way to do that is to vote (D). Especially in a purple state.

I didn't like doing that in 2016 either, but that's the shitty position I'm in.
The she has two-5 votes. Do a write in for Tulsi Gabbard
 

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"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"

Hard word will never lead to being wealthy...unless you only work hard at sucking up all the money that you can...and making NO productive contribution to the economy whatsoever.

That's the whole idea behind profit...getting more out of an endeavor than the value of what you put into that endeavor.

Profits are parasitic by definition.
That's not according to the actual definition of profit, moron.
Richard-H is referring to profit in the communist manifesto.

Imagine, you buy components, put in the labor to make them into a product and sell the profit for more than the components cost, you're a "parasite."

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Then these idiots deny they are Marxist while they spew Marxist rhetoric endlessly
 
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Any of you guys ever vote third party ?
Several times. I wish I could this time, that's for sure.
Why can't you?

Jo is better than Joe. Go for it.
No, I have to vote against Trump, and the most effective way to do that is to vote (D). Especially in a purple state.

I didn't like doing that in 2016 either, but that's the shitty position I'm in.
Huh, a Democrat voting for a Democrat. Hard spot to be in. Sure it is
 

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Biden isn't an ass. That's the problem. He comes of as moderate and reasonable compared to Trump - but he's not. He's very dangerous. And he's going to win because people don't see that. All they see is a reasonable candidate against an unhinged clown.
Surveys say your wrong. They see much more than that.

Wow, given that 42% of voters are Trumpbots, you can't even convince all Trumpbots that Biden has dementia.
Nobody is trying to convince anybody of anything. All you have to do is watch the guy for more than ten minutes to conclude it for yourself.
 
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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
 

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Socialism is inherent to all human societies.
When we were hunter/gatherers for millions of years, do you think we did not share?
If you've ever seen a bunch of Texans at a pig roast, you'd know that we don't.

Total Primitives!
 

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Any of you guys ever vote third party ?
Several times. I wish I could this time, that's for sure.
Why can't you?

Jo is better than Joe. Go for it.
No, I have to vote against Trump, and the most effective way to do that is to vote (D). Especially in a purple state.

I didn't like doing that in 2016 either, but that's the shitty position I'm in.
So what is the big problem with Trump that is so abhorrent that you must effectively vote for communism as a better solution?

That's like chopping off your own dick to stop rape.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
 
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Biden isn't an ass. That's the problem. He comes of as moderate and reasonable compared to Trump - but he's not. He's very dangerous. And he's going to win because people don't see that. All they see is a reasonable candidate against an unhinged clown.
Surveys say your wrong. They see much more than that.

Wow, given that 42% of voters are Trumpbots, you can't even convince all Trumpbots that Biden has dementia.
Nobody is trying to convince anybody of anything. All you have to do is watch the guy for more than ten minutes to conclude it for yourself.
Biden did well enough at the primary debates. I haven't seen any sign of dementia from him since then. I have seen signs of fatigue...he ain't a spring chicken.

Once the Presidential debates are over, you're gonna have to find a new line of bullshit!
 

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Any of you guys ever vote third party ?
Several times. I wish I could this time, that's for sure.
Why can't you?

Jo is better than Joe. Go for it.
No, I have to vote against Trump, and the most effective way to do that is to vote (D). Especially in a purple state.

I didn't like doing that in 2016 either, but that's the shitty position I'm in.
So what is the big problem with Trump that is so abhorrent that you must effectively vote for communism as a better solution?

That's like chopping off your own dick to stop rape.
It would be, if it were true.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
 

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Biden isn't an ass. That's the problem. He comes of as moderate and reasonable compared to Trump - but he's not. He's very dangerous. And he's going to win because people don't see that. All they see is a reasonable candidate against an unhinged clown.
Surveys say your wrong. They see much more than that.

Wow, given that 42% of voters are Trumpbots, you can't even convince all Trumpbots that Biden has dementia.
Nobody is trying to convince anybody of anything. All you have to do is watch the guy for more than ten minutes to conclude it for yourself.
Biden did well enough at the primary debates. I haven't seen any sign of dementia from him since then. I have seen signs of fatigue...he ain't a spring chicken.

Once the Presidential debates are over, you're gonna have to find a new line of bullshit!
I don't think so because it's likely Trump will win and we'll never hear from Creepy Joe again. And no, I don't buy the polls either, just like I didn't buy them during the Hillary run.

I also think that Joe is not going to debate Trump. It would be the worst thing he could do for his campaign. Somehow he or his people will find a way out of it. Harris will gladly debate, but not Joe.

No matter what side you choose, most can agree Joe is too inept at his age to do the job, which means Harris will actually be making all the decisions. She got 2% of the Democrat vote while running for the Presidential nomination. It's something you on the left really need to consider.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
 

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Biden isn't an ass. That's the problem. He comes of as moderate and reasonable compared to Trump - but he's not. He's very dangerous. And he's going to win because people don't see that. All they see is a reasonable candidate against an unhinged clown.
Surveys say your wrong. They see much more than that.

Wow, given that 42% of voters are Trumpbots, you can't even convince all Trumpbots that Biden has dementia.
Nobody is trying to convince anybody of anything. All you have to do is watch the guy for more than ten minutes to conclude it for yourself.
Biden did well enough at the primary debates. I haven't seen any sign of dementia from him since then. I have seen signs of fatigue...he ain't a spring chicken.

Once the Presidential debates are over, you're gonna have to find a new line of bullshit!
I don't think so because it's likely Trump will win and we'll never hear from Creepy Joe again. And no, I don't buy the polls either, just like I didn't buy them during the Hillary run.

I also think that Joe is not going to debate Trump. It would be the worst thing he could do for his campaign. Somehow he or his people will find a way out of it. Harris will gladly debate, but not Joe.

No matter what side you choose, most can agree Joe is too inept at his age to do the job, which means Harris will actually be making all the decisions. She got 2% of the Democrat vote while running for the Presidential nomination. It's something you on the left really need to consider.
I think you're in for a rude awakening when Biden debates Trump.

Saying that Biden is too inept to do the job is a laugh. Trump has always been too inept to do the job whatever his age.

If you hadn't noticed...TRUMP IS AN IDIOT!
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
Right. And how capitalism does that is called ... competition.

What you want to do is have the retarded kid grade the advanced math student's homework. Yeah, politicians and bureaucrats are going to make markets work better. You're just drowning in kool-aid, Vladimir
 

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I still don't get the logic behind shaming "fence sitters". If we were all "fence sitters" we'd have a lot better government.
I think we'd have a better government with a more non-biased MSM who is less motivated by money than they are honesty. We ween what all the Presidents went through, their family, even children at times. Who wants to subject themselves and their loved ones to all that in order to win a government job?
I thought you were a capitalist? Why would a capitalist think that the MSM should not be motivated by money? Isn't the free market sacred to you?

Or is your idea of capitalism a free market for a select few, while the rest are supposed to be good little slaves that only exist to serve you?

But I do agree - anyone that WANTS to be President has to be CRAZY and should be automatically barred from the position (Catch 22).

The Presidency should be filled by conscripture only.
They can still make money without lying to the people or exaggerating stories. It seems that politics has seeped into every nook and cranny in our society today including the press. Years ago before cable television, the media did lean left, but they didn't lie about the right either. They didn't tell only part of the story, they also told the part of the story that explained the Republicans position.

Today the MSM is more or less to brainwash people. You can read the results in USMB. We have leftists out here blaiming a Republican President for Democrats destroying Democrat cities, all because of what a cop in another Democrat city did to a black guy. Nobody with an ounce of common sense can come to that conclusion. It's brainwashing that does it.


So what you're saying is that businesses should have restrictions that ensure that they don't violate the public interest...correct?

"Freedom of the Press is for those who own one"
I didn't say that either. Just pointing out we would have better candidates to choose from if the MSM was not like it is today. I'm also pointing out how politicized our media is.
And I'm just pointing out that the same rules of capitalism that you want applied to yourself should apply to everyone - including the MSM.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should be regulation to ensure that all business do not violate the public's interest.
They do apply to the MSM. The problem is people keep going to their web sites, sending them emails, participate in their blogs, and that activity is used to sell advertising in which they make money.

It's kind of like the tobacco thing years ago. The tobacco companies held the position there was nothing wrong with smoking cigarettes. In other words, they lied to the people to make profit, and yes, were sued repeatedly for it later on.
Yes, the MSM is a for profit business. I do agree that they do not tell the whole truth - they lie by omission.

Their failure to openly and honestly discuss the truth about the Russian Covid-19 vaccine despite the number of people dying is a glaring example - they wouldn't want to undermine the AMA or American pharma companies.

But, it used to be that the news media made a clear distinction between reporting news and editorializing. It was FOX new that first stopped making that distinction, and it was FOX new that became very clearly and obviously politically biased.

Once the other news media saw how profitable it was for FOX to have non-stop editorializing, they followed suit.
I think that is true of the non-cable networks, but CNN and MSNBC are what they always were. Yes, Fox is right leaning, but it's only a counter station to all the others on cable and free television. One station vs all them.
I agree to some extent that CNN has always leaned to the middle (which you'd consider the left), but they were subtle about it.

FOX has been from the start obviously and blatantly far to the right.
Fox has leftists on all day to speak for themelves.

And CNN leans to the middle?

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How far left are you? Can you even stand up?
 

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