So we're back to the "root causes of illegal immigration" malarkey

[Lisa558]

They have their jobs expecting them there.

So? That means they can break the law? I expect that if I sneak into my neighbor’s house, I will find some valuables.

 

[pknopp]

And out comes the libtard, implying he’s morally superior.

Yes, my parents taught me to have respect not only for the rule of law but its spirit, and I’ve never even gotten a speeding ticket in almost 50 years of driving. My worst law violation was getting back to the car five minutes agter the meter expired.

They also raised me to have pride in supporting myself and any family I might have, and not expect hard-working, taxpaying people of A FOREIGN COUNTRY to pay for my housing, my kids‘ medical needs, their food, and whatever else.

Did your parents teach you to prioritize foreigners who take advantage of a loophole in a law over honest Americans?

So your parents have seemed to have failed society.

 

[Unkotare]

...

Yes, my parents taught me to have respect not only for the rule of law but its spirit, ...

You sure about that?

 

[Lisa558]

So your parents have seemed to have failed society.

Not worthy of a response, you sanctimonious POS. If you assume a law-abiding American who grew up to be self-supporting, along with my sister, means my parents failed society, I hope you rot.

 

[Lisa558]

There is always a solution to every problem. It's just having the representation to do it.

Make being here illegally a felony. The minimum sentence 5 years in federal prison. We will still have a border problem but a good one; people trying to get the hell out of this country before being caught.

I agree. Bit right now we have leftists in charge who are doing the opposite. Notice how the millions of illegal aliens who will have come here under Biden are now being called “migrants”? They are trying to hide that 90% of these migrants - the percentage with bogus claims - are indeed illegal aliens.

And yes, the five years in prison is a great idea. We should announce one month ahead of time that we will have a massive deportation, offer a $5,000 reward* to any American who reports one, and then give them opportunity to go back where they came from.

*The reward money is less than the cost of support.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They have their jobs expecting them there.

Try not attending court when you are supposed to and see what happens to you.

 

[Lisa558]

Try not attending court when you are supposed to and see what happens to you.

Or try coming back into this country without a negative COVID test. The Dems only require it of legal citizens. Illegals are waved through.

The basic problem with libtards is that their priorities are upside down: illegal aliens over honest Americans, criminal thugs over law-abiders, failures over successful people.

No country can survive when wrong behavior and choices are favored over the right ones. The Dems know this. They are as devious as they are evil.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yep. We've caused enough damage down there with our drug money.

That's like saying the woman caused enough damage by being pretty and getting raped. You make such a statement as if our government is sending dope money to these drug dealers.

As a leading member of the Blame Americans First crowd, please explain how them getting our people hooked on illegal drugs is our fault.

 

[Roadrunner76]

Effective 12/1/19 the cash asset limit for Refugee Cash Assistance is $15,000 and $3,000 for Refugee Medical Assistance.

Here in Detroit area, we have thousands of Mexican refugees. All are wearing new clothes, buying lots of things at walmart and driving nice cars.. They get housing help from the Mexican community here in SouthWest Detroit. Meanwhile, we have homeless Americans sleeping on the street.

Refugee Assistance

A federal program which helps persons admitted into the U.S. as refugees to become self-sufficient after their arrival.

www.michigan.gov

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Or try coming back into this country without a negative COVID test. The Dems only require it of legal citizens. Illegals are waved through.

The basic problem with libtards is that their priorities are upside down: illegal aliens over honest Americans, criminal thugs over law-abiders, failures over successful people.

No country can survive when wrong behavior and choices are favored over the right ones. The Dems know this. They are as devious as they are evil.

Of course they are evil. I always said leftists are the disciples of Satan. In any given controversial situation, they always side with evil. They have a history of it.

Invaders vs the people invaded, the left sides with the invaders.
Criminals vs police, the left sides with the criminals.
US solders vs foreign enemy, the left sides with our foreign enemies.
Armed law abiding citizen vs an unarmed law abiding citizen, the left sides with unarmed law abiding citizens.
Kill babies or kill convicted murderers, the left sides with killing babies and support the murderers for the rest of their lives.
Producers vs the takers, the left always sides with the takers.

I could go on and on, but you get the point. It's simply their history. That's why our now VP promoted her followers to donate to a Go Fund Me account to bailout rioters and get them back out into the streets.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We are discussing illegals. They could still come here and seek asylum under Trump though.

When did I say they couldn't? Yes, they could come here. Trump had them wait at the border, and when their court date came up, they were escorted over the border to the court and back. They were not released into the population and expected to attend their final hearing on their own accord like the Democrats are doing.

Do you know what this does? It attracts more of them; the intention of the Communist party. Then people are slaughtered, women and children raped along the way.

Trump reduced border crossings by 90% in 2019. Those people applied for asylum at their US Embassy as Trump instructed and it saved countless lives. They knew it would be nearly impossible to enter the country and use our loopholes to disappear forever.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I've covered this and covered this and covered this. No one can survive on the benefits a minor gets and you note that they are working to survive. OK, that's what I said so where is your disagreement? Remove the ability to get a job and they have to leave.

A friend of mine worked at a company that hired a lot of temp workers. There was a group of them that lived in the same residence. He said at the first of the month when they got their new SNAP's card, they'd decide which one they wanted to get rid of and which ones they'd keep for themselves at the cafeteria table. The ones they got rid of they sold to other people because our government gave them so much.

I had a friend that went on food stamps years ago. He told me he never ate so good in his life: prime stakes, lobster or crab legs, grade A ground beef, lake Walleye. In spite of all that expensive food, he gave the leftovers to his father.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They are living off your good wishes I suppose. I see ads in the seedier papers............

4 bedroom apt. Needs work but rent is Ray's good wishes a month.

The vast majority are here for work. Some survive on doing things illegally but they are far easier to deal with if those working are removed. But you aren't interested in that.

Why wouldn't I be? I'm for anything that does remove them. But you can't place the onus on the employer alone. Our Democrat cities give them drivers licenses and allow them to vote. In Commiefornia, they are entitled to government health care paid for by the state. In other commie cities, their officers are not allowed by law to contact ICE when they have an illegal in custody. WTF do you think sanctuary cities and states mean?

What you are saying is that it's okay for the left to put out the welcome mat to illegals, and when they draw them here, blame the employers for hiring them, many times they don't realize.

Fake ID market bypasses anti-fraud measures

High-quality fake IDs are readily available on the internet

www.techradar.com

Then the employer has to deal with leftist judges besides.

Court Rules Illegal Aliens Can Sue over “Discriminatory Employment Policy” Requiring Green Cards - Judicial Watch

For the second time in a few years, a federal court has ruled that illegal immigrants can sue American employers that refuse to hire them because they require workers to be U.S. citizens or legal residents (green card holders). The latest blow to the rule of law was delivered by an...

www.judicialwatch.org

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This was done for years. ICE would tell them to hold them but when a city (that can't operate on fake money like the Federal government can) would want reimbursed there would be no reimbursement.

The courts also ruled that a person can only be held for a short time on a misdemeanor charge so they would get sued and lose.

Judge approves $14-million settlement over Sheriff's Department's illegal immigration holds

The Supreme Court is supposed to rule on this but even if they rule they can be held, no state is under any obligation to do so without being reimbursed.

But as I said earlier this has been covered over and over and it just rolls off your back to be repeated over and over.

Leftist propaganda. The federal government is required BY LAW to reimburse all states holding illegals.

8 U.S. Code § 1365 - Reimbursement of States for costs of incarcerating illegal aliens and certain Cuban nationals

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This has been covered many times. It's an excuse the government uses. Even raids where a large number of an employers employee's are removed will hurt as the employer has to shut down and no business has no idea when hiring so many illegals.

Still as I noted, mandatory e-verify takes care of all of that which is why no one even really tries to pass it.

That's because e-verify is a flawed system. Even if we did make it flawless, it doesn't stop illegals from coming here for various other reasons.

 

[Lisa558]

Of course they are evil. I always said leftists are the disciples of Satan. In any given controversial situation, they always side with evil. They have a history of it.

Invaders vs the people invaded, the left sides with the invaders.
Criminals vs police, the left sides with the criminals.
US solders vs foreign enemy, the left sides with our foreign enemies.
Armed law abiding citizen vs an unarmed law abiding citizen, the left sides with unarmed law abiding citizens.
Kill babies or kill convicted murderers, the left sides with killing babies and support the murderers for the rest of their lives.
Producers vs the takers, the left always sides with the takers.

I could go on and on, but you get the point. It's simply their history. That's why our now VP promoted her followers to donate to a Go Fund Me account to bailout rioters and get them back out into the streets.

And just think of the hypocrisy! Our now (Affirmative Action) VP worked to get rioters back onto the streets while Democrats are imprisoning those who oppose their agenda for trespassing.

And despite everything you’ve listed, the Dems still hold themselves up as morally superior and love nothing more than giving us a smack across the face whenever possible. Did I tell you that I woke up on Passover morning to an email from a Democrat with a joke mocking Jews who vote Republican? That would be the same as if I sent a nasty joke mocking blacks who vote Republican TO a black who votes Republican, choosing Juneteenth for my little smack down.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Empty rhetoric. As lame and as stupid as Trump's.

How is it empty being reported on from reliable sources. You said it never happens. Yes it does.

 

[Lisa558]

They are living off your good wishes I suppose. I see ads in the seedier papers............

4 bedroom apt. Needs work but rent is Ray's good wishes a month.

The vast majority are here for work. Some survive on doing things illegally but they are far easier to deal with if those working are removed. But you aren't interested in that.

They have the same crappy work in their home countries. That’s not why they’re coming, They are here to get Americans to feed their kids, and their produce anchor babies that we have to support to age 18, while they get the benefits of subsidized housing themselves.

 

[pknopp]

Not worthy of a response, you sanctimonious POS. If you assume a law-abiding American who grew up to be self-supporting, along with my sister, means my parents failed society, I hope you rot.

They taught you that lying is acceptable to get what you want..........that's sad.

 

[pknopp]

Try not attending court when you are supposed to and see what happens to you.

Nothing unless they find me and if there is no desire to find me, all is well.