So we are so anxious to replace gas with electric and it may not be necessary!

[candycorn]

Once again NO FACT and for that you are a ZERO!

PIP: Replacement level fertility is the level of fertility at which a population exactly replaces itself from one generation to the next. In developed countries, replacement level fertility can be taken as requiring an average of 2.1 children per woman

Replacement level fertility and future population growth - PubMed

'Replacement level fertility' is a technical term which seems almost self-explanatory. However there are some important qualifications which make it a more difficult concept than might be supposed. Also, the relationship between replacement level fertility and zero population growth is...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A number above 2.1 is associated with a growing population, and anything lower than 2.1 indicates population decline.


So If you haven't noticed the current USA
The U.S. population’s total fertility rate is now approximately 1.7 births per female, which is below the replacement rate of 2.1 that is required for the U.S. population not to shrink without increases in immigration.

Measuring Fertility in the United States — Penn Wharton Budget Model

The U.S. population’s total fertility rate is now approximately 1.7 births per female, which is below the replacement rate of 2.1 that is required for the U.S. population not to shrink without increases in immigration. Women are delaying motherhood, from the 2006 average age range of 25 to 29 to the

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

This also means there will be fewer workers to care for the INCREASING senior citizens!
In terms some ignorant people would understand... as the average age of Americans grows OLDER..

In 2021, the median age of the population of the United States was 38.8 years.
While this may seem quite young, the median age in 1960 was even younger, at 29.5 years.

Median age of the U.S. population 2023| Statista

In 2023, the median age of the population of the United States was 39.2 years.

www.statista.com

AGAIN what the above FACTS show is the USA is NOT replacing the USA population but the population is growing OLDER with fewer younger people to support!
For someone like you it is even less complicated: SS/Medicare incoming revenue based on workers and employers taxes of 12.4% total is DECREASING while
the Payments going to a growing over 65 population is increasing!
So not are more people becoming over 65, but their payments are increasing AS WELL as their health care expenses!
ANYONE with a little common sense will agree!

AGAIN the population is growing older while the birth rate per women is smaller... i.e. today 1.7 births/female vs the required rate of 2.1 so the population
doesn't shrink (as it doing now contrary to your uninformed opinion)!

Meanwhile back in reality....

Increased population means that more land will be used for housing, farming, consumption of raw materials such as lumber, cattle, etc... That translates into less foliage that would eventually be converted into petroleum.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is a finite amount of oil.

That's only a theory pawned off as a fact.

There are other theories...

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.172376899

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think society, largely speaking, has forgotten, perhaps never even learned, the nature of science.

A popular position or view is too often pawned off as a fact in the interest of establishing the notion that we already have all of the answers and that no further questions need to be asked.

That's not how science works.

Political science works that way. In fact, political science depends on the falsehood be accepted, since special interest agendas cannot come to fruition absent the nonfeasance.

But that's not how natural science works...

 

[Resnic]

Forgotten Equation Could Be Key In Recycling CO2​

Editor OilPrice.com
Thu, April 13, 2023, 2:00 PM CDT·3 min read

Forgotten Equation Could Be Key In Recycling CO2

Cornell University scientists have turned to an old electrochemical equation from 1903 to help manage atmospheric CO2 and convert it into useful products.

finance.yahoo.com

Cornell University scientists have dusted off an archaic – now 120 year old – electrochemical equation. The goal is to manage atmospheric carbon dioxide and convert the gas into a useful products.
The electrochemical reduction of carbon dioxide presents an opportunity to transform the gas from an environmental liability to a feedstock for chemical products or as a medium to store renewable electricity in the form of chemical bonds, as nature does.
There is a catch. It takes electricity to reform the CO2.
We’re not told how that might figure into the cost of the new products.
The idea might die a death of a shortage of electrical power as the onslaught of the electric vehicle push is yet to really get into its stride. Last summer some people (California) didn’t have enough power to go around.

BUT folks!!! You are laughing at my projections of massive electricity generating SHORTAGES that the Federal government is encouraging migration to EVs.

There will be a shortage of electricity generating plants of 33,839 power plants needed to create the 12,731,752,671,260 kWh per year in 2030 if the goals of the Biden administration is met! AND the whole reason to go to EVs to reduce CO2 emissions maybe totally UNNECESSARY as the above points out!

The FACT is EV chargers don't create electricity! The chargers, like your computer, etc. ALL depend on electricity to charge the batteries the chargers use to charge the EVS. Can we agree on that? Should be a no brainer. All electricity except for personal solar panels...(my son has them on his home) is generated by electric utility plants.
FACT: There are today 11,070 total power plants in usa
FACT: These power plants generated in 2021 over 4.165 Trillion kWh or an average of 376.244 Billion kWh per plant.
FACT SOURCE: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (AGAIN I didn't make up these numbers OK???)
According to Biden's latest efforts: "New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today
AGAIN FACT source: New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today
So today Depending on how automakers comply, the EPA projects that at least 60% of new passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. would be electric by 2030 and up to 67% by 2032. For slightly larger, medium-duty trucks, the EPA projects 46% of new vehicle sales will be EVs in 2032.
FACTS: U.S.: annual car sales 2022 | Statista
The U.S. auto industry sold nearly 2.86 million cars in 2022. That year, total car and light truck sales were approximately 13.75 million (or in the United States
60% of 2.86 million or 1,716,000 cars each year to BE EVs
45% of 10,890,000 or 5,009,000 trucks sold each year are to be EVs.
FACT: An EV car averages .25 kWh per mile. Average Electric Car kWh Per Mile [Results From 231 EVs] and
averages 14,263 miles per year https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-miles-driven-per-year/
An average EV will then use 142.2 kWh a year X 1,716,000 EVs or 214,753,080 kWh per year. or over by 2030 total per year at that time: 1,713,271,560 kWh
FACT: An EV truck averages 4.3 kWh/mile Battery capacity and recharging needs for electric buses in city transit service (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV and
Averages 84,433 miles per truck/ year source:How Many Miles Do Truckers Drive a Year?
So average truck will use 363,061 kWh or by the year 2030 or 7 years there will be 5,009,000 EV trucks X 7 years or 35,063,000 trucks.
Each truck using 363,061/year of kWh or 12,730,039,399,700 kWh a year by 2030.
FACT Then in the 7th year with 1,713,271,560 kWh by EV cars and 12,730,039,399 for 35,063,000 trucks total annual electricity needed 12,731,752,671,260 kWh.

FACT: If the current 11,070 electric generating plants each generate 376,244,805 kWh / year then there will need by the 7th year an additional
33,839 electric power plants JUST to meet the criteria of New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today

33,839 MORE electric plants to CHARGE the chargers!

I think the reason why there is such a big push to replace gas is multi faceted.

1 it's big money for companies to make EVs.

Gm for instance and ford both gave a whole lot of money to the Biden campaign.

These Michigan donors gave the most to President Biden's inauguration

Four of Michigan's largest companies chipped in at least $250,000 each to support President Joe Biden's inauguration in January.

www.detroitnews.com

And in the end Biden favored to and ford by pushing EVs for them while completely ignoring Tesla that donated nothing.

Biden credits GM and ignores Tesla on electrification of cars, and Musk is not happy

US president Joe Biden makes speech crediting auto giant General Motors for electrifying "the entire auto industry". Musk was so upset he tweeted an Andrew Bolt video.

thedriven.io

2 there is a lot of power to be grabbed with climate change. Governments in a lot of countries have been trying to create more laws and more rules against gas powered cars. That just translates to more control over people. That's all our government has been trying to do the past few years is create more and more laws for the people. COVID, taxes, EVs, gun control, a shift towards digital currency and so on.

3 it's also part of the great reset from our friends at the world economic forum. More EVs means less travel. You can't as easily travel long distances in EVs because of charging speed and cost and availability. Even replacing your batteries is a 10,00 to 20,000 cost mean while my gas corrolla cost me about 4,000 dollars in repairs over its first 12 years because I took care of it.

That's what EVs play into the great reset and herding people into "smart cities" where people have EVs that won't take you very far and everything you need right around you. That's why we have a push for electric buses because it limits travel when people don't need a car.

The truth about smart cities: ‘In the end, they will destroy democracy'

The smart city is, to many urban thinkers, just a buzzphrase that has outlived its usefulness: ‘the wrong idea pitched in the wrong way to the wrong people’. So why did that happen – and what’s coming in its place, asks Steven Poole

www.theguardian.com

 

[healthmyths]

I think the reason why there is such a big push to replace gas is multi faceted.

1 it's big money for companies to make EVs.

Gm for instance and ford both gave a whole lot of money to the Biden campaign.

These Michigan donors gave the most to President Biden's inauguration

Four of Michigan's largest companies chipped in at least $250,000 each to support President Joe Biden's inauguration in January.

www.detroitnews.com

And in the end Biden favored to and ford by pushing EVs for them while completely ignoring Tesla that donated nothing.

Biden credits GM and ignores Tesla on electrification of cars, and Musk is not happy

US president Joe Biden makes speech crediting auto giant General Motors for electrifying "the entire auto industry". Musk was so upset he tweeted an Andrew Bolt video.

thedriven.io

2 there is a lot of power to be grabbed with climate change. Governments in a lot of countries have been trying to create more laws and more rules against gas powered cars. That just translates to more control over people. That's all our government has been trying to do the past few years is create more and more laws for the people. COVID, taxes, EVs, gun control, a shift towards digital currency and so on.

3 it's also part of the great reset from our friends at the world economic forum. More EVs means less travel. You can't as easily travel long distances in EVs because of charging speed and cost and availability. Even replacing your batteries is a 10,00 to 20,000 cost mean while my gas corrolla cost me about 4,000 dollars in repairs over its first 12 years because I took care of it.

That's what EVs play into the great reset and herding people into "smart cities" where people have EVs that won't take you very far and everything you need right around you. That's why we have a push for electric buses because it limits travel when people don't need a car.

The truth about smart cities: ‘In the end, they will destroy democracy'

The smart city is, to many urban thinkers, just a buzzphrase that has outlived its usefulness: ‘the wrong idea pitched in the wrong way to the wrong people’. So why did that happen – and what’s coming in its place, asks Steven Poole

www.theguardian.com

All of your points are so accurate! Thank you.
Car/Truck sales:

U.S.: annual car sales 2022 | Statista

The U.S.

www.statista.com

CAR EVs

• 60% of 2.86 million cars that are sold per year or 1,716,000 a year or by 2032 over 15,444,000 EV cars
• Each EV uses 142.2 kWh and travels 14,263 miles per year at .25 kWh per mile or EV cars will need 2,196,136,800 kWh per year.
• Average miles traveled per year per car:https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-miles-driven-per-year/
• CAR EVs use: .25 kWh/mile:
  

  Average Electric Car kWh Per Mile [Results From 231 EVs]

  Find the average electric car kWh per 100 miles, along with the best and the worst. Plus see the costs, savings and how you can go greener.

  ecocostsavings.com

Truck EVs

• 45% of 10,090,000 trucks sold each will be EV or 5,009,000 or over 45,081,000 trucks by 2032.
• A light truck will average 84,433 miles in a year using 4.3 kWh per mile or a total of 16,367,193,513,900 kWh per year by 2032.
• Average truck miles per year:
  

  How Many Miles Do Truckers Drive a Year?

  In our free load board’s latest blog post, we discuss how many miles the average trucker does in a year. Learn more here.

  blog.freefreightsearch.com
• Truck EVS use: 4.3 kWh/mile:

  Battery capacity and recharging needs for electric buses in city transit service (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV

  The U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Scientific and Technical Information

  www.osti.gov

Combined Car/Truck EVs kWh - per year: 16,369,389,650,700

• Today the USA's power plants generate 4,165,030,000,000 kWh by 11,070 plants or 376,244,806 kWh is generated per year per plant.

How many power plants will be needed to generate the 16,369,389,650,700 kWh needed by EVs:

• 16,367,193,513,900 kWh NEEDED for all EV cars/truck by 2032... divided by 376,244,806 kWh per power plant...equals 43,507 NEW power plants...
• How much will it cost to build 43,507 new power plants by 2032?
  • At cost of $7,000,000,000 each nuclear power or
  • $304,550,988,596,179

So where will this $304.5 Trillion dollars come from?

 

[Independent thinker]

Forgotten Equation Could Be Key In Recycling CO2​

Editor OilPrice.com
Thu, April 13, 2023, 2:00 PM CDT·3 min read

Forgotten Equation Could Be Key In Recycling CO2

Cornell University scientists have turned to an old electrochemical equation from 1903 to help manage atmospheric CO2 and convert it into useful products.

finance.yahoo.com

Cornell University scientists have dusted off an archaic – now 120 year old – electrochemical equation. The goal is to manage atmospheric carbon dioxide and convert the gas into a useful products.
The electrochemical reduction of carbon dioxide presents an opportunity to transform the gas from an environmental liability to a feedstock for chemical products or as a medium to store renewable electricity in the form of chemical bonds, as nature does.
There is a catch. It takes electricity to reform the CO2.
We’re not told how that might figure into the cost of the new products.
The idea might die a death of a shortage of electrical power as the onslaught of the electric vehicle push is yet to really get into its stride. Last summer some people (California) didn’t have enough power to go around.

BUT folks!!! You are laughing at my projections of massive electricity generating SHORTAGES that the Federal government is encouraging migration to EVs.

There will be a shortage of electricity generating plants of 33,839 power plants needed to create the 12,731,752,671,260 kWh per year in 2030 if the goals of the Biden administration is met! AND the whole reason to go to EVs to reduce CO2 emissions maybe totally UNNECESSARY as the above points out!

The FACT is EV chargers don't create electricity! The chargers, like your computer, etc. ALL depend on electricity to charge the batteries the chargers use to charge the EVS. Can we agree on that? Should be a no brainer. All electricity except for personal solar panels...(my son has them on his home) is generated by electric utility plants.
FACT: There are today 11,070 total power plants in usa
FACT: These power plants generated in 2021 over 4.165 Trillion kWh or an average of 376.244 Billion kWh per plant.
FACT SOURCE: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (AGAIN I didn't make up these numbers OK???)
According to Biden's latest efforts: "New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today
AGAIN FACT source: New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today
So today Depending on how automakers comply, the EPA projects that at least 60% of new passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. would be electric by 2030 and up to 67% by 2032. For slightly larger, medium-duty trucks, the EPA projects 46% of new vehicle sales will be EVs in 2032.
FACTS: U.S.: annual car sales 2022 | Statista
The U.S. auto industry sold nearly 2.86 million cars in 2022. That year, total car and light truck sales were approximately 13.75 million (or in the United States
60% of 2.86 million or 1,716,000 cars each year to BE EVs
45% of 10,890,000 or 5,009,000 trucks sold each year are to be EVs.
FACT: An EV car averages .25 kWh per mile. Average Electric Car kWh Per Mile [Results From 231 EVs] and
averages 14,263 miles per year https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-miles-driven-per-year/
An average EV will then use 142.2 kWh a year X 1,716,000 EVs or 214,753,080 kWh per year. or over by 2030 total per year at that time: 1,713,271,560 kWh
FACT: An EV truck averages 4.3 kWh/mile Battery capacity and recharging needs for electric buses in city transit service (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV and
Averages 84,433 miles per truck/ year source:How Many Miles Do Truckers Drive a Year?
So average truck will use 363,061 kWh or by the year 2030 or 7 years there will be 5,009,000 EV trucks X 7 years or 35,063,000 trucks.
Each truck using 363,061/year of kWh or 12,730,039,399,700 kWh a year by 2030.
FACT Then in the 7th year with 1,713,271,560 kWh by EV cars and 12,730,039,399 for 35,063,000 trucks total annual electricity needed 12,731,752,671,260 kWh.

FACT: If the current 11,070 electric generating plants each generate 376,244,805 kWh / year then there will need by the 7th year an additional
33,839 electric power plants JUST to meet the criteria of New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today

33,839 MORE electric plants to CHARGE the chargers!

The left never think things through.

I posted something similar the other day:

The burnt remains of coal could be an untapped source of critical elements

As demand for batteries, renewable energy, and electric vehicles grows, researchers dig into coal byproduct as a potential, ‘near-term’ treasure trove of critical minerals.

news.yahoo.com

 

[YoursTruly]

I'm not about to go out and buy an electric car right now. But if people that could buy one, they'd be helping the US become energy independent. Especially if their power comes from solar, wind or nuclear energy.

Not sure why republicans are so against EV's and renewables. America has always been in the top 5, if not #1 at developing new technology. We used to pride ourselves on it. Now it gets bashed for political reasons.

 

[YoursTruly]

So where will this $304.5 Trillion dollars come from?

Customers

 

[healthmyths]

Customers

Right and there are 129,930,000 households in the USA.
Divided into $304.5 Trillion equals each household will pay for the cost of the new power plants $2,343,962 or for 20 years $9,766/month either directly through their higher utility bill or indirectly through the goods and services they buy. Either way nearly $10,000 a month per household is more than the average household
income ....Real median household income was $70,784 in 2021, ... or $5,898. Source: Income in the United States: 2021
Hmmm... if the power plant cost per month per household is $10,000 and the household gross / month is $6,000... where is the other $4,000 / mo coming from?
NOT from the customers. Not from Taxes. Not from businesses. Where?? Again to reiterate to build the 43,507 new power plants by 2032 to generate the
the 16,367,193,513,900 kWh the 45,081,000 trucks and 15,444,000 EV cars where will the money come from?
It is truly astonishing that the Federal Government, the Congress, and others who are suppose to be knowledgeable DON"T Comprehend these simple numbers!
You have 45 million EV trucks, 15 million EV cars using 16 Trillion kWh of power that will come from where?
Say the Biden organization is wrong by 75%... and the power needed is 1/4 of the 16 Trillion kWh...
The USA will still need to spend $76 Trillion dollars to build 10,876 MORE nuclear power plants or still $1,000/month more per household!
Where are the GOP to understand THESE REALITIES???

 

[Pappadave1]

Not only is this unnecessary, it's not POSSIBLE. There will never be such a thing as an electric fighter jet or long-range bomber.

 

[sparky]

The USA will still need to spend $76 Trillion dollars to build 10,876 MORE nuclear power plants or still $1,000/month more per household!
Where are the GOP to understand THESE REALITIES???

this fits here>
Energy Justice Communities Map

~S~

 

[justoffal]

Forgotten Equation Could Be Key In Recycling CO2​

Editor OilPrice.com
Thu, April 13, 2023, 2:00 PM CDT·3 min read

Forgotten Equation Could Be Key In Recycling CO2

Cornell University scientists have turned to an old electrochemical equation from 1903 to help manage atmospheric CO2 and convert it into useful products.

finance.yahoo.com

Cornell University scientists have dusted off an archaic – now 120 year old – electrochemical equation. The goal is to manage atmospheric carbon dioxide and convert the gas into a useful products.
The electrochemical reduction of carbon dioxide presents an opportunity to transform the gas from an environmental liability to a feedstock for chemical products or as a medium to store renewable electricity in the form of chemical bonds, as nature does.
There is a catch. It takes electricity to reform the CO2.
We’re not told how that might figure into the cost of the new products.
The idea might die a death of a shortage of electrical power as the onslaught of the electric vehicle push is yet to really get into its stride. Last summer some people (California) didn’t have enough power to go around.

BUT folks!!! You are laughing at my projections of massive electricity generating SHORTAGES that the Federal government is encouraging migration to EVs.

There will be a shortage of electricity generating plants of 33,839 power plants needed to create the 12,731,752,671,260 kWh per year in 2030 if the goals of the Biden administration is met! AND the whole reason to go to EVs to reduce CO2 emissions maybe totally UNNECESSARY as the above points out!

The FACT is EV chargers don't create electricity! The chargers, like your computer, etc. ALL depend on electricity to charge the batteries the chargers use to charge the EVS. Can we agree on that? Should be a no brainer. All electricity except for personal solar panels...(my son has them on his home) is generated by electric utility plants.
FACT: There are today 11,070 total power plants in usa
FACT: These power plants generated in 2021 over 4.165 Trillion kWh or an average of 376.244 Billion kWh per plant.
FACT SOURCE: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (AGAIN I didn't make up these numbers OK???)
According to Biden's latest efforts: "New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today
AGAIN FACT source: New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today
So today Depending on how automakers comply, the EPA projects that at least 60% of new passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. would be electric by 2030 and up to 67% by 2032. For slightly larger, medium-duty trucks, the EPA projects 46% of new vehicle sales will be EVs in 2032.
FACTS: U.S.: annual car sales 2022 | Statista
The U.S. auto industry sold nearly 2.86 million cars in 2022. That year, total car and light truck sales were approximately 13.75 million (or in the United States
60% of 2.86 million or 1,716,000 cars each year to BE EVs
45% of 10,890,000 or 5,009,000 trucks sold each year are to be EVs.
FACT: An EV car averages .25 kWh per mile. Average Electric Car kWh Per Mile [Results From 231 EVs] and
averages 14,263 miles per year https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-miles-driven-per-year/
An average EV will then use 142.2 kWh a year X 1,716,000 EVs or 214,753,080 kWh per year. or over by 2030 total per year at that time: 1,713,271,560 kWh
FACT: An EV truck averages 4.3 kWh/mile Battery capacity and recharging needs for electric buses in city transit service (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV and
Averages 84,433 miles per truck/ year source:How Many Miles Do Truckers Drive a Year?
So average truck will use 363,061 kWh or by the year 2030 or 7 years there will be 5,009,000 EV trucks X 7 years or 35,063,000 trucks.
Each truck using 363,061/year of kWh or 12,730,039,399,700 kWh a year by 2030.
FACT Then in the 7th year with 1,713,271,560 kWh by EV cars and 12,730,039,399 for 35,063,000 trucks total annual electricity needed 12,731,752,671,260 kWh.

FACT: If the current 11,070 electric generating plants each generate 376,244,805 kWh / year then there will need by the 7th year an additional
33,839 electric power plants JUST to meet the criteria of New Biden administration pollution rules would require almost 10 times as many EV sales in 2032 as today

33,839 MORE electric plants to CHARGE the chargers!

It makes you wonder what hell they are thinking....or if they are thinking at all. Or it may well be that personal transportation is something that will no longer be allowed. I favor the latter because it would explain why they are ignoring the reality of the massive energy deficit created by a world fleet of EVs....they're not worried about it because they know it doesn't matter.

 

[healthmyths]

It makes you wonder what hell they are thinking....or if they are thinking at all. Or it may well be that personal transportation is something that will no longer be allowed. I favor the latter because it would explain why they are ignoring the reality of the massive energy deficit created by a world fleet of EVs....they're not worried about it because they know it doesn't matter.

Those people favoring mass transit have still to answer these simple but REALISTIC questions!
1) How do you keep ice cream from melting when you are on a train/subway/bus?
2) With growing mass store raids, (see this..https://abc7.com/topanga-nordstrom-robbery-smash-and-grab-southern-california-la-video/13640093/)
how will you walk into another store with grocery bags or previous store shopping?
3) You have under age children with you how do you carry shopping bags on the train/subway/bus?
4) Is your car interior as filthy as this? And the objective is public transit?

 

[2aguy]

It makes you wonder what hell they are thinking....or if they are thinking at all. Or it may well be that personal transportation is something that will no longer be allowed. I favor the latter because it would explain why they are ignoring the reality of the massive energy deficit created by a world fleet of EVs....they're not worried about it because they know it doesn't matter.

They don't care about CO2, they don't care about the environment.......they just know they can use the myth of man made global warming as a tool to get uninformed people to give them money, power and control.....at the same time, they can use it to control the life choices of normal people......by reducing energy reliability, they force people to live in smaller homes and aparments, they force people onto public transportation, limiting how and where they live.....

This isn't about creating more, reliable, plentiful energy, this is about limiting access to energy so they can dictate life choices...

 

[justoffal]

They don't care about CO2, they don't care about the environment.......they just know they can use the myth of man made global warming as a tool to get uninformed people to give them money, power and control.....at the same time, they can use it to control the life choices of normal people......by reducing energy reliability, they force people to live in smaller homes and aparments, they force people onto public transportation, limiting how and where they live.....

This isn't about creating more, reliable, plentiful energy, this is about limiting access to energy so they can dictate life choices...

Yes...

 

[sparky]

This isn't about creating more, reliable, plentiful energy, this is about limiting access to energy so they can dictate life choices...

wouldn't that be the definition of 'carbon tax' ? ~S~

 

[MinTrut]

Meanwhile back in reality....

View attachment 777181


Increased population means that more land will be used for housing, farming, consumption of raw materials such as lumber, cattle, etc... That translates into less foliage that would eventually be converted into petroleum.

We rarely agree, but spot on.

 

[MinTrut]

The left never think things through.

I posted something similar the other day:

The burnt remains of coal could be an untapped source of critical elements

As demand for batteries, renewable energy, and electric vehicles grows, researchers dig into coal byproduct as a potential, ‘near-term’ treasure trove of critical minerals.

news.yahoo.com

I'd wondered about this.

 

[Jarlaxle]

There have been several people over the past few decades that have created hydrogen (water) fueled engines.

Rips open assholes on top of assholes on gas AND electric!!!!

So WHY aren't they being produced?

Not for the benefit of the environment.........not for the benefit of mankind.
This tech has been around 1806.........so, whats the fucking holdup????

Greed. Pure greed and avarice.








Hydrogen is THE safe and clean fuel for vehicles.
No toxic chemicals, no toxic fumes, no toxic residue, no environmental destruction for giant batteries or oil.

I've driven natural gas vehicles before, and they are cheap and easy to fillup and maintain.
Any gas powered engine can be converted to natural gas as well. And although it is flammable, it is just as safe and reliable........and cheaper..........than hydrogen vehicles and fillups.

I would love a natural gas or hydrogen vehicle. Problem is, you HAVE to keep them maintained........but its not a difficult thing to do.
A once a month visit to the mechanic for a peekaboo would work.

Hydrogen is an energy sink. It requires more energy to get liquid hydrogen than said hydrogen contains.

Hydrogen is also not energy-dense at all (about a third the BTU/gallon as gasoline), and tends to seep through even sealed containers because the molecules are so small.

 

[justoffal]

Hydrogen is an energy sink. It requires more energy to get liquid hydrogen than said hydrogen contains.

Hydrogen is also not energy-dense at all (about a third the BTU/gallon as gasoline), and tends to seep through even sealed containers because the molecules are so small.

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