So Trump DOES Want Venezuela's Oil. I Thought It Was Only A War On Drugs!

[Mac1958]

And what evidence do you have that the people with in boats on the water or trafficking drugs, and work for cartels? You have Trump's word for it and nothing more and Trump's word on anything is worthless.

I have no doubt that, at the foundation of this whole drama, Trump is pursuing a strategy that would put significant money in his pocket when it's all over.

He's not going to change. And if takes American military deaths for him to get what he's after, he won't give it a second thought. We know what he thinks of "his" military.

 

[Norm Paperman]

Or, he'll just make peace with them before they came. Russians or Chinamen are not monsters. We are rational human beings, and in most cases sticking a knife in someone's back isn't good neither for business nor for reputation.

Thank you! The country we moved to has no military per se, just a small defense force that is more police than military.

And nobody there sits around worrying about being stabbed by our "enemy", yet Americans with reportedly the strongest military in the world think about these things all the time.

 

[Norm Paperman]

What Trump is doing now, is An Unjustified Act of War, that will have Major Consequences for America.

All anyone needs to do is ask themselves a simple question...if another country did to the US what the US is doing, would the US consider it an act of war?

If the answer is yes, then what the US is doing is also an act of war.

 

[TimFitz]

I’ve not provided one link to any quote from bush

But i do see a pattern, dems defend leftist dictators over and over dispute reality

No, but you have faithfully parroted all the fake claims that the right wing noise machine,ade up to bolster Bush’s claims.

You have consistantly tried to assert that Bush’s WMD claims were true.

 

[struth]

No, but you have faithfully parroted all the fake claims that the right wing noise machine,ade up to bolster Bush’s claims.

You have consistantly tried to assert that Bush’s WMD claims were true.

I don’t know all his claims but there is no doubt that Saddam had a wmd program and was in violation of UN sanctions but frankly that’s minor compared to all the other reasons

 

[Frankenstein]

True, the US does not have that track record. But the US also does not have a track record of blowing up boats in the open seas and going back to make sure all the survivors are dead, yet here we are.

The US does not have a track record of the president going on social media and telling the whole world is goal is to take the oil from a country. At least GW Bush and Co were smart enough to lie about their intentions.

Senator Chuck Schumer "made a law about boats being blown up" the
Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act (MDLEA) of 1986, a law he co-sponsored.



The MDLEA's Purpose: The MDLEA is a domestic U.S. law that allows American law enforcement to operate against vessels suspected of drug trafficking outside U.S. territory. It provides a legal framework for the U.S. to assert jurisdiction in international waters in pursuit of drug smugglers.

 

[Dragonlady]

I’ve not provided one link to any quote from bush

But i do see a pattern, dems defend leftist dictators over and over dispute reality

Youre right Bidens policies were idiotic. Suppressing oil production keeping it below demand to force us to by EV cars
Key actions and policies cited by critics include:

• Canceling the Keystone XL Pipeline permit: On his first day in office, President Biden revoked the permit for the pipeline, which was intended to transport 830,000 barrels of oil daily from Canada to U.S. refineries.
• Pausing new federal leases: The administration issued an executive order to pause new oil and gas leases on federal lands and waters while it conducted a review of the federal oil and gas program.
• Increasing regulations and fees: Critics point to finalized rules that increase bonding requirements for offshore producers and a new fee (tax) on methane emissions that exceed certain thresholds, which they argue increases costs and disincentivizes domestic investment.
• Pausing new LNG export permits: In January 2024, the administration temporarily paused pending approvals for new liquefied natural gas (LNG) export projects, which critics argue empowers geopolitical rivals like Russia and Iran while hurting U.S. allies dependent on American energy.
• Draining the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR): The administration conducted large releases from the SPR to help stabilize prices, bringing the reserve to its lowest level since the 1980s, which critics view as a misuse of an emergency asset for political expediency.

The false excuse that Biden produced more means nothing it was less than demand. They made federal lands off limits stopped oil in the gulf and Alaska.
This helped Putin and Iran fund the wars. It also caused inflation since our entire economy is based on oil which is in many manufactured products not just gas.
Biden was impaired incompetent and downright stupid

Biden did not raise oil prices to encourage people to buy EV's. The price of gas went up because TRUMP signed a deal with OPEC to slash oil production and force up the price of crude. It was a "poison pill" he left for the Biden administration, KNOWING that Biden would be blamed for the rise in prices. Trump screwed over the American people who voted him out of office and he did it on purpose.

Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production (Published 2020)

The deal will reduce output by 9.7 million barrels a day. While significant, the cut falls far short of what is needed to bring oil production in line with demand.

www.nytimes.com

• Biden didn't "cancel the Keystone Pipeline". BIden reversed Trump's decision to let the pipeline proceed after the EPA ruled it too environmentally dangerous to the watershed over which it was to run. The pipeline should NEVER have been built in the first place, and it was only by Trump insistence on reversing all of Obama's actions that the useless waste of money was ever green lit.
• NOBODY was buying the leases. Thousands of them sit unused. When Biden Administration was taken to court and forced to auction the leases, they had two sales. Oil companies are not drilling on public lands. They're owning the land their drilling on - no royalties involved. Why no one bid to drill in the Arctic Refuge lease sale
• Imagine that - making energy companies pay for the damage they do to the environment. Reality, what a concept!!!
• Smartest move Biden made. Drove down the price of oil and screwed over OPEC and the Russians too. And he replaced the oil he sold at market rates, with much cheaper oil when the price dropped, making millions of dollars for the US Treasury. https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/05/16/joe-biden-master-oil-trader

 

[Dragonlady]

Senator Chuck Schumer "made a law about boats being blown up" the
Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act (MDLEA) of 1986, a law he co-sponsored.



The MDLEA's Purpose: The MDLEA is a domestic U.S. law that allows American law enforcement to operate against vessels suspected of drug trafficking outside U.S. territory. It provides a legal framework for the U.S. to assert jurisdiction in international waters in pursuit of drug smugglers.

There is nothing in the Bill which allows the USA to simply blow up any boat they think may be carrying drugs. Law enforcement operations don't operate on a "shoot first and ask questions later" anywhere, much less in international waters.

Using the Navy to destroyed vessels and murder sailors is not "law enforcement".

 

[struth]

Biden did not raise oil prices to encourage people to buy EV's. The price of gas went up because TRUMP signed a deal with OPEC to slash oil production and force up the price of crude. It was a "poison pill" he left for the Biden administration, KNOWING that Biden would be blamed for the rise in prices. Trump screwed over the American people who voted him out of office and he did it on purpose.

Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production (Published 2020)

The deal will reduce output by 9.7 million barrels a day. While significant, the cut falls far short of what is needed to bring oil production in line with demand.

www.nytimes.com

• Biden didn't "cancel the Keystone Pipeline". BIden reversed Trump's decision to let the pipeline proceed after the EPA ruled it too environmentally dangerous to the watershed over which it was to run. The pipeline should NEVER have been built in the first place, and it was only by Trump insistence on reversing all of Obama's actions that the useless waste of money was ever green lit.
• NOBODY was buying the leases. Thousands of them sit unused. When Biden Administration was taken to court and forced to auction the leases, they had two sales. Oil companies are not drilling on public lands. They're owning the land their drilling on - no royalties involved. Why no one bid to drill in the Arctic Refuge lease sale
• Imagine that - making energy companies pay for the damage they do to the environment. Reality, what a concept!!!
• Smartest move Biden made. Drove down the price of oil and screwed over OPEC and the Russians too. And he replaced the oil he sold at market rates, with much cheaper oil when the price dropped, making millions of dollars for the US Treasury. https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/05/16/joe-biden-master-oil-trader

Under joey xiden’s amazing leadership he created a record high cost of gas and diesel

I’m sure he made a lot of money for his friends in OPEC but the American people were made worse off

 

[KissMy]

And it will work out as well for the US as invading Iraq did.

The US never learns.

Regardless of the outcome, that is the plan. This is why Trump's slogan was never US first, and always called "America First"

Just read "Trump Corollary" to the Monroe Doctrine he signed. Trump is going to attempt to take over the entire Western Hemisphere. From Greenland to Antarctica

People haven't been paying attention.
Trump has been trying to take over Greenland.
Trump didn't rename the "Gulf of Mexico" to "Gulf of USA"
Trump renamed the "Gulf of Mexico" to "Gulf of America"

 

[Frankenstein]

There is nothing in the Bill which allows the USA to simply blow up any boat they think may be carrying drugs. Law enforcement operations don't operate on a "shoot first and ask questions later" anywhere, much less in international waters.

Using the Navy to destroyed vessels and murder sailors is not "law enforcement".

Sure is when every intel piece says it is a drug boat, they aren't just shooting at any boat only those with the proper intel on it sweetie. Nice to see you stick up for the cartels pushing their poison

 

[Rambunctious]

SaxonJackson Do you have any idea how much it costs to keep one prison open per year?...
We have prisons full of criminals who violated the law because they were high or looking to be...
This doesn't mention the victim cost... it would be real nice if you TDSers could be a little more patriotic...

 

[SaxonJackson]

SaxonJackson Do you have any idea how much it costs to keep one prison open per year?...
We have prisons full of criminals who violated the law because they were high or looking to be...
This doesn't mention the victim cost... it would be real nice if you TDSers could be a little more patriotic...

I'm "patriotic" enough to defend Thomas Massie, Rand Paul, and Marjorie Taylor Greene (all America First politicians). Trump, on the other hand, has climbed in bed with Lindsay Graham & Ted Cruz (two of the biggest Neocon RINOs in D.C.). I'm moral enough to want the pedos on Epstein's list to serve time in prison. I'm patriotic enough to want America to help the 33,000 homeless veterans before sending $Billons to foreign beggars. I'm moral enough to expect the President we voted for to be honest and to be transparent.

A few short weeks ago, you Neocon/Warmonger types were claiming that all Trump was doing was bombing drug boats. I declared that Trump really wanted Venezuelan oil. You Neocons hurled the usual names at me (surprise, surprise). That was followed by Trump admitting that he actually wanted the oil. I was vindicated which pissed of you Neocon types.

It would take a patriot to recognize just how patriotic I actually am.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well ... I don't want to pat myself on the back but when everyone was calling Trump a hero for bombing "drug boats" I was saying that he actually wants the oil and natural resources. Of course, I took a ton of flack for that (surprise, surprise). How dare I question the noble actions of Czar Trump? The most honest and conservative CONMAN on planet earth?

Anyway ... he accidentally admitted the truth. He's a warmonger who covets what isn't his. So he's going to use the US Military for his own gain:



This madman claims that Venezuela took "our oil" and "our energy rights" from their own land. The man is a lunatic!

why cant it be both??

TDS has made you to single minded,,

 

[SaxonJackson]

why cant it be both??

TDS has made you to single minded,,

It wasn't "both" a few weeks ago when you neocons were claiming that all Trump was going to "fighting the war on drugs." But it is fun to watch the cult members adjust their responses instead of having the integrity to remain consistent. The honest ones would say something like this: "Damn ... I was sure that Trump only wanted to stop drug trafficking. SaxonJackson was right when he claimed that Trump really wanted the oil. I apologize for questioning his wisdom."

 

[progressive hunter]

It wasn't "both" a few weeks ago when you neocons were claiming that all Trump was going to "fighting the war on drugs." But it is fun to watch the cult members adjust their responses instead of having the integrity to remain consistent. The honest ones would say something like this: "Damn ... I was sure that Trump only wanted to stop drug trafficking. SaxonJackson was right when he claimed that Trump really wanted the oil. I apologize for questioning his wisdom."

it sure seems like its both,,or at least one thing lead into another,, maybe your TDS causes you not to think ahead or see things in a rational way,,

either way I can understand your displeasure with not having access to deadly drugs chaps your ass,

 

[SaxonJackson]

it sure seems like its both,,or at least one thing lead into another,, maybe your TDS causes you not to think ahead or see things in a rational way,,

either way I can understand your displeasure with not having access to deadly drugs chaps your ass,

I've said it before and I'll say it again (since some of the cult members seem a bit slow). I'm all for stopping the drug trade. But if we're going to bomb Venezuelan boats then we need to bomb the drug houses in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, St. Louis, etc. We also need to bomb the number one trafficker -- Mexico. I'm guessing that the reason we ARE NOT bombing these places is because they don't have oil fields.

 

[progressive hunter]

I've said it before and I'll say it again (since some of the cult members seem a bit slow). I'm all for stopping the drug trade. But if we're going to bomb Venezuelan boats then we need to bomb the drug houses in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, St. Louis, etc. We also need to bomb the number one trafficker -- Mexico. I'm guessing that the reason we ARE NOT bombing these places is because they don't have oil fields.

TDS has clearly rotted your brain if you think bombing drug houses in the states even makes sense,,

but please tell me more,, its a slow morning,,

 

[SaxonJackson]

TDS has clearly rotted your brain if you think bombing drug houses in the states even makes sense,,

but please tell me more,, its a slow morning,,

Pretty simple, really. If the military police force can bomb a boat with drugs, surely they can throw some hand grenades into a drug house. But you missed commenting on the bombing of Mexico. If Trump was serious about "the war on drugs" then surely he'd go after the kingpins headquartered in Mexico. And doesn't Canada allow drugs to flow over the northern border? When are we going to bomb Canada?

See? That's how consistency works.

 

[progressive hunter]

Pretty simple, really. If the military police force can bomb a boat with drugs, surely they can throw some hand grenades into a drug house. But you missed commenting on the bombing of Mexico. If Trump was serious about "the war on drugs" then surely he'd go after the kingpins headquartered in Mexico. And doesn't Canada allow drugs to flow over the northern border? When are we going to bomb Canada?

See? That's how consistency works.

youre leaving out bombing a foriegn country is illegal and would need further authorization to do that,,

thats how things work when your brain isnt rotted with TDS,, consistency has nothing to do with it,,