So Palin Doesn't Believe in Evolution...

[hipeter924]

Some old threads and odd topics never die. Evolution is amazing stuff and it does not remove Gawd from the picture if you are religious, even the Catholic Church accepts it as fact. This is a great book and the one on Science below is super too for those interested in topic.

Amazon.com: Genome: The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters (P.S.) (9780060894085): Matt Ridley: Books

Amazon.com: The Oxford Book of Modern Science Writing (9780199216819): Richard Dawkins: Books

Yep, the Darwin was a 'social Darwinist' and 'supported Nazism' argument is old too, yet that doesn't stop people repeating it, nor would it make a difference to the theory if he actually was, as just because someone is morally reprehensible does not make their evidence or argument magically disappear or become invalid.

 

[peach174]

Oh you mean like the Coelacanth? Thought to have been extinct 65 million years ago? It still exists and is still the same species. Just because man could not find them does not mean that they went extinct.
It has been proven that they did not go extinct.

 

[gekaap]

Gravity is a theory. Go jump off of your roof head first and see if that theory is valid or not.

Actually, gravity is more of a law. It's a general phenomena described with universal application, and the concept is accepted pretty much axiomatically. But ignoramuses simply will never get it through their head that a law is something that is NOT proven scientifically, it's accepted without proof.

 

[gekaap]

It is a lie to say it is fact. Hasn't been proven. Anyone saying it has been proven is lying.

There is a plethora of evidence that supports the occurrence of evolution. This is the problem, people are too ignorant about evolution and everything it entails. Maybe I should start a thread providing an over view. In any event, if you are actually open minded, maybe you should take some college classes in biology to learn about the mechanisms of evolution, so you can understand the logical necessity of evolutionary events over time, and you can take some anthropology classes to see some of the overwhelming evidence that supports the fact that humans have evolved from earlier species. It's all really too much for a person to put into a thread here for you. But if you'd like a singular starting point of proof, go back a couple pages in the replies and see my post to cecile about Neanderthals and the anatomical and genetic differences.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Evolution is not a lie.

The main issue with the creationist ID crowd is that they don't or won't understand the rigorous definition of theory used in the scientific world.

No reasonable, plausible excuse exists for such ignorant or willful misunderstanding of theory.

Any political candidate who refuses to accept theory in the scientific sense must be rejected at the polls, period.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh you mean like the Coelacanth? Thought to have been extinct 65 million years ago? It still exists and is still the same species. Just because man could not find them does not mean that they went extinct.
It has been proven that they did not go extinct.

Palin thinks the Earth is 6000 years old. Enough with this 65 million years nonsense.

 

[gekaap]

I believe in adaptation of species that can mate to become other species, like polar bears and grizzles, that is starting a new species right now. Monkeys and apes can't not mate with humans.

Listen, peach, you REALLY need to gain a basic knowledge and understanding about biology. Polar bears and Grizzly bears are two entirely different species. If you mate them together (and there's no guarantee that such an effort would even produce an offspring, but you can try) the result would be a hybrid. Hybrids are inter species replications. By virtue of their mixed species breeding they are sterile. That's why you can never breed to mules to get more mules. That's why a dog/wolf hybrid cannot be bred to another animal. They do not have the capability of reproducing.

Humans, are just as capable of producing hybrids with other species as any other animal. However, as best as I know, no meaningful attempt has ever been made to do so. No doubt there are significant ethical implications involved.

 

[gekaap]

It has been proven that you must have DNA close enough to mate with any other species in order to have a new species.
Dog and cats can't mate so on and so on. Apes and humans can not mate. Until the missing link is found I will not believe that we came from apes.

The idea of a "smoking gun" of a "missing link" is something that is presented only by those who do not know much anything about human evolution in the first place, or evolution as a concept in general. There is a definite record of discovered fossils that shows gradual progressions over long periods of time from pre-human species, to early species of humans, and up to modern Homo sapiens. There is also a record of other species of humans that evolved along side each other but eventually became extinct without ever leading to a new species. There are also a record of certain ancient ancestors of humans also splitting off in multiple directions, and eventually leading to other species like gorillas and chimpanzees. There is no "missing link."

That is not to say that the record has shown every step of human evolution from primordial soup to present day. But your suggestion that there should be a species of animal discovered that could mate with, and produce fertile offspring with, both humans and other animals, is indicative only of a complete lack of knowledge and understanding.

 

[peach174]

This is funny. Non believers must have proof that God exists but evolutionists believe in evolution without the missing link.

 

[Dr.Drock]

This is funny. Non believers must have proof that God exists but evolutionists believe in evolution without the missing link.

There's plenty of missing links, that doesn't matter.

The religious groups just pick at one tiny fringe excuse for why the dozens of missing links aren't good enough.

The perfect missing link could be found and you'd find another excuse to not believe it.

And as my links showed that I'm sure you didn't click on, many christians don't deny the fact of evolution.

 

[JakeStarkey]

peach174, please go look up, read, and understand the concept of scientific theory. Once you have mastered that knowledge, you can play here with some sense of understanding of the discussion points.

 

[gekaap]

This is funny. Non believers must have proof that God exists but evolutionists believe in evolution without the missing link.

You're committing logical fallacies here. First, you're committing a non sequitor and straw man. Nobody said anything about "believers" needing to prove the existence of God. And even if they had, nothing of relevance to this subject logically follows from anything having to do with needing to prove God exists.

Second, you're misrepresenting the facts of the thing. The only one who is talking about a "missing link" is you. The only people who ever bring that up is people demanding that lack of evidence for some such, undefined missing link, is lack of evidence for evolution. You may as well be saying that people who believe in evolution must prove that a one eyes, one horned, flying, purple, people eater exists.

 

[blu]

This is funny. Non believers must have proof that God exists but evolutionists believe in evolution without the missing link.

You're committing logical fallacies here. First, you're committing a non sequitor and straw man. Nobody said anything about "believers" needing to prove the existence of God. And even if they had, nothing of relevance to this subject logically follows from anything having to do with needing to prove God exists.

Second, you're misrepresenting the facts of the thing. The only one who is talking about a "missing link" is you. The only people who ever bring that up is people demanding that lack of evidence for some such, undefined missing link, is lack of evidence for evolution. You may as well be saying that people who believe in evolution must prove that a one eyes, one horned, flying, purple, people eater exists.

you are dealing with an idiot, don't bother

 

[peach174]

I believe in adaptation of species that can mate to become other species, like polar bears and grizzles, that is starting a new species right now. Monkeys and apes can't not mate with humans.

Listen, peach, you REALLY need to gain a basic knowledge and understanding about biology. Polar bears and Grizzly bears are two entirely different species. If you mate them together (and there's no guarantee that such an effort would even produce an offspring, but you can try) the result would be a hybrid. Hybrids are inter species replications. By virtue of their mixed species breeding they are sterile. That's why you can never breed to mules to get more mules. That's why a dog/wolf hybrid cannot be bred to another animal. They do not have the capability of reproducing.

Humans, are just as capable of producing hybrids with other species as any other animal. However, as best as I know, no meaningful attempt has ever been made to do so. No doubt there are significant ethical implications involved.

You need to read up on what has happened in Alaska. One guy was in trouble for shooting a polar bear grizzly mix (hybrid). They have found quite a few of them up there lately.
All dogs come from wolf's

 

[Mr Natural]

This is funny. Non believers must have proof that God exists but evolutionists believe in evolution without the missing link.

There are several missing links between apes and humans.

 

[konradv]

Oh you mean like the Coelacanth? Thought to have been extinct 65 million years ago? It still exists and is still the same species. Just because man could not find them does not mean that they went extinct.
It has been proven that they did not go extinct.

What does that have to do with anything. It's just a distraction from the real topic, which is the progression of the fossil record through the ages, indicating evolution of species. Is that all you have? Are there any land animals you can point to that shows the same thing? The ocean is a big place and coelocanths probably aren't numerous. That's muxh more likely than any sort of proof that evolution is false.

 

[peach174]

Oh you mean like the Coelacanth? Thought to have been extinct 65 million years ago? It still exists and is still the same species. Just because man could not find them does not mean that they went extinct.
It has been proven that they did not go extinct.

Palin thinks the Earth is 6000 years old. Enough with this 65 million years nonsense.

When has Plain ever said that the earth is only 6,000 yrs. old?

 

[Dr.Drock]

I believe in adaptation of species that can mate to become other species, like polar bears and grizzles, that is starting a new species right now. Monkeys and apes can't not mate with humans.

Listen, peach, you REALLY need to gain a basic knowledge and understanding about biology. Polar bears and Grizzly bears are two entirely different species. If you mate them together (and there's no guarantee that such an effort would even produce an offspring, but you can try) the result would be a hybrid. Hybrids are inter species replications. By virtue of their mixed species breeding they are sterile. That's why you can never breed to mules to get more mules. That's why a dog/wolf hybrid cannot be bred to another animal. They do not have the capability of reproducing.

Humans, are just as capable of producing hybrids with other species as any other animal. However, as best as I know, no meaningful attempt has ever been made to do so. No doubt there are significant ethical implications involved.

You need to read up on what has happened in Alaska. One guy was in trouble for shooting a polar bear grizzly mix (hybrid). They have found quite a few of them up there lately.
All dogs come from wolf's

So people owning mutt breed dogs rather than pure breed dogs is proof that evolution didn't and doesn't happen?

 

[kaz]

Valid point Kaz.. the left is constantly imposing their beliefs on us under the notion that it is for the common good. IF you speak out it inevitably turns into...

What idiot wouldn't support _________________________? You fill in the blank.

Now I know this statement will anger you as you believe your ideology is perfect, but the right also impose their beliefs on the ground that it is for the common good, thus the term ideology.

plural ide·ol·o·gies
Definition of IDEOLOGY
1: visionary theorizing
2a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

Ideology - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I agree. That's why I'm libertarian. I don't want government in my wallet or my bedroom.

 

[gekaap]

you are dealing with an idiot, don't bother

I know. That's the point. In years in the hospitality industry you learn that the best way to deal with customers determined to be pissed and unsatisfied is to kill them with kindness. That way, no matter what they say or do, you always maintained the upper hand. I find a similar approach works in debate. When dealing with the ignorant and stupid, kill them with intelligence. That way, when they eventually resort to calling you stupid, their own lack of intelligence will not only have shown like a lighthouse, but it will be remembered by all observers for all time.