So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

Is it time to stop the corporate welfare to insurance companies?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 18 90.0%
  • No.

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Total voters
    20
Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments
"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.
Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com
Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?
YES YOU ARE!!!!!!
Your ignorance is astounding!

What Trump has cut, is the cost sharing reduction for the POOREST in this Nation, on the exchange....

The poorest! While leaving the subsidies for those making TRIPLE the amount of income than those on the Cost sharing reduction plans.

He is the AntiChrist.....there is no greater evil walking earth.....he's the Destroyer in Revelations, the Little Horn in the Book of Daniel...no doubt.:eek:
Oh, you mean he just another christian in name only..
Rules for Radicals again, all you can do, huh?, as it does get tiring...
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals
 
Because Joe back when the liberal kept the temporary income tax that was supposed to go away, companies, and unions would give their employees perks to come work for them, getting those most able to do the job.

Who said the income tax was supposed to "go away"? I think you are confusing right wing memes.

Here is what happened. Health care became a perk when the government froze wages during WWII to prevent inflation and to keep employees at critical industries.

But at the time, it just didn't' cost that much, so it wasn't that big of a deal. The problem, of course, is that when the rest of the world was creating national health care systems, we just kept expanding on what we had.

You libfucks who are lazy assholes, couldn't compete so now you have to punish everyone with your bullshit broken Obamacare because then everyone, illegals too, can now get fucked up care.

Again, guy, the problem was that before O-care, the Insurance companies would do things like declare your cancer a pre-existing condition or an elective surgery or something like that so they wouldn't have to pay it.

I say round up all the liberals and ship them to a country that has single payer, but take their passports away, because soon they will be crying like little girls to get back in the US.

I would say we should round up all the right wingers and send them to a country where they practice the libertarian shit they want...

Oh, wait. No country in the world actually does that. They already know it's a terrible idea.
 
unlike most liars on this board, I have never claimed to be well off or a business owner.

the rest of your gibberish is put together by people that want to see America fall from within, just like the rest of the world is doing.

or haven't you noticed that the 4th Reich defeated Europe?

Not sure what you are babbling about a "4th Reich", but never mind.

Back to the point, though.

The US spends more per capita on health care than any other country in the world.

Despite that...

We have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.


We have the lowest life expectancy among advanced countries.

Those lies were debunked a long time ago.
 
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I'm a major advocate of the single payer system.


I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...

Free market answers should always be considered before collectivist responses to America's policies.
In the case of the Bolshevik Fallacy, ObamaCare, the flaw is in misunderstanding human nature.
If people have skin in the game, financially, they spend money far more carefully.



jkxtwxn.jpg



When you spend your own money on yourself (box 1), you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost. And that drives the businesses that are competing for your money to constantly seek more efficient ways of producing better products at better prices.

Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost."
Why Single-Payer Health Care Delivers Poor Quality at High Cost | Daniel J. Mitchell
So, abolish the tax deduction for employers providing most of our insurance now....right?


And abolish the tax write offs we get for medical expenses, abolish military medical coverage, abolish MEDICARE and Medicaid, and VA health care and CHIP...children's health care, and abolish TRCARE, and federal grants and loans for medical schooling, abolish research and development monies, all federal and state employee insurance, etc etc etc that is all federal and state gov't funds.....

THEN AND ONLY THEN
Will you have your so called "Free Market"

Sounds good?
 
Because Joe back when the liberal kept the temporary income tax that was supposed to go away, companies, and unions would give their employees perks to come work for them, getting those most able to do the job.

Who said the income tax was supposed to "go away"? I think you are confusing right wing memes.

Here is what happened. Health care became a perk when the government froze wages during WWII to prevent inflation and to keep employees at critical industries.

But at the time, it just didn't' cost that much, so it wasn't that big of a deal. The problem, of course, is that when the rest of the world was creating national health care systems, we just kept expanding on what we had.

You libfucks who are lazy assholes, couldn't compete so now you have to punish everyone with your bullshit broken Obamacare because then everyone, illegals too, can now get fucked up care.

Again, guy, the problem was that before O-care, the Insurance companies would do things like declare your cancer a pre-existing condition or an elective surgery or something like that so they wouldn't have to pay it.

I say round up all the liberals and ship them to a country that has single payer, but take their passports away, because soon they will be crying like little girls to get back in the US.

I would say we should round up all the right wingers and send them to a country where they practice the libertarian shit they want...

Oh, wait. No country in the world actually does that. They already know it's a terrible idea.
Who said the income tax was supposed to "go away"?
The Origin of the Income Tax
The income tax, however, gave the government the keys to every door and the sole right to change the locks.

Today the American people are no longer the master and the government has ceased to be the servant.
I know Joe that you wont bother with this article, but keep on showing the rest of us how ******* ignorant you are with the history of taxes on the US citizens. I am done with you and you other worthless liberals, as I have to find new people who aren't as fortunate and help bring them to find their pursuit of happiness, by helping them avoid paying taxes with loopholes provided by the federal government.
 
I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...
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Unfortunately, you have nothing of value to teach but since I am polite, I will hear you out.


Excellent.

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"

8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:


Be well.
 
And every country that has it is in debt to their eyeballs.

Really?

Because we are in debt past our GDP (106% of GDP), and Germany's national debt is only 63% of GDP. The UK is at 89%, Canada is at 66%.

Debt-to-GDP-ratio-Seven-Worst-Countries1.jpg

You know what, this is why I don't waste time on you.

I gave you other advanced countries with Single Payer that were LOWER than us, you come up with a chart that includes poor countries (Greece, Portugal) and a third world country, along with Japan, which is in debt or reasons that have nothing to do with single payer.
 
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I'm a major advocate of the single payer system.


I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...

Free market answers should always be considered before collectivist responses to America's policies.
In the case of the Bolshevik Fallacy, ObamaCare, the flaw is in misunderstanding human nature.
If people have skin in the game, financially, they spend money far more carefully.



jkxtwxn.jpg



When you spend your own money on yourself (box 1), you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost. And that drives the businesses that are competing for your money to constantly seek more efficient ways of producing better products at better prices.

Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost."
Why Single-Payer Health Care Delivers Poor Quality at High Cost | Daniel J. Mitchell
So, abolish the tax deduction for employers providing most of our insurance now....right?


And abolish the tax write offs we get for medical expenses, abolish military medical coverage, abolish MEDICARE and Medicaid, and VA health care and CHIP...children's health care, and abolish TRCARE, and federal grants and loans for medical schooling, abolish research and development monies, all federal and state employee insurance, etc etc etc that is all federal and state gov't funds.....

THEN AND ONLY THEN
Will you have your so called "Free Market"

Sounds good?


Totalitarian governance is base ignoring what the people want.

Hence...ObamaCare.


Prior to the full court press to which you have succumbed, costs were decreasing, and some 90% were happy with their healthcare.

Increases in healthcare expenditures:
2003 8.6%
2004 6.9%
2005 6.5%
2006 6.7%
2007 6.1%
Compare to 10.5% in 1970 and 13% in 1980
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/06/08/downgrading-american-medical-c/print
Also: Baldwin Wallace University



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it


And, of course, the experience with ObamaCare has proven exactly what the Right predicted.
 
I know Joe that you wont bother with this article, but keep on showing the rest of us how ******* ignorant you are with the history of taxes on the US citizens. I am done with you and you other worthless liberals, as I have to find new people who aren't as fortunate and help bring them to find their pursuit of happiness, by helping them avoid paying taxes with loopholes provided by the federal government.

YOu are right, the article you posted wasn't worth bothering with.

Here's why we have an income tax. Because what we were doing before that wasn't working!

so you are an accountant this week? I thought you were a plane mechanic? Seriously, you have more careers than Barbie!
 
Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments
"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.
Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com
Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?
YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

Did you know the insurance companies also gave large donations to republicans?
 
Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments
"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.
Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com
Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?
YES YOU ARE!!!!!!
Your ignorance is astounding!

What Trump has cut, is the cost sharing reduction for the POOREST in this Nation, on the exchange....

The poorest! While leaving the subsidies for those making TRIPLE the amount of income than those on the Cost sharing reduction plans.

He is the AntiChrist.....there is no greater evil walking earth.....he's the Destroyer in Revelations, the Little Horn in the Book of Daniel...no doubt.:eek:


Well, have to see how this plays out for 2018. In the rate increases for 2018, it was supposed to have been built in just in case this happened. Now, these dumb shits that cry they are paying for other's insurance truly are going to pay. I have already re-enrolled several of my clients off-exchange and their rate increases were anywhere from 18% to 56% increase. Yes, some companies started off-exchange Oct 1.

This is now very much now called Trumpcare.

Trump to end key ACA subsidies, a move that will threaten the law’s marketplaces
 
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I'm a major advocate of the single payer system.


I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...

Free market answers should always be considered before collectivist responses to America's policies.
In the case of the Bolshevik Fallacy, ObamaCare, the flaw is in misunderstanding human nature.
If people have skin in the game, financially, they spend money far more carefully.



jkxtwxn.jpg



When you spend your own money on yourself (box 1), you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost. And that drives the businesses that are competing for your money to constantly seek more efficient ways of producing better products at better prices.

Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost."
Why Single-Payer Health Care Delivers Poor Quality at High Cost | Daniel J. Mitchell
So, abolish the tax deduction for employers providing most of our insurance now....right?


And abolish the tax write offs we get for medical expenses, abolish military medical coverage, abolish MEDICARE and Medicaid, and VA health care and CHIP...children's health care, and abolish TRCARE, and federal grants and loans for medical schooling, abolish research and development monies, all federal and state employee insurance, etc etc etc that is all federal and state gov't funds.....

THEN AND ONLY THEN
Will you have your so called "Free Market"

Sounds good?


Totalitarian governance is base ignoring what the people want.

Hence...ObamaCare.


Prior to the full court press to which you have succumbed, costs were decreasing, and some 90% were happy with their healthcare.

Increases in healthcare expenditures:
2003 8.6%
2004 6.9%
2005 6.5%
2006 6.7%
2007 6.1%
Compare to 10.5% in 1970 and 13% in 1980
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/06/08/downgrading-american-medical-c/print
Also: Baldwin Wallace University



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it


And, of course, the experience with ObamaCare has proven exactly what the Right predicted.
Nice distraction!

so, how about addressing my post...

in order to have this "free market" that you claim will solve all ills,

Are you willing to drop:

MEDICAID
MEDICARE
VA CARE
MILITARY CARE
TRICARE
CHIPS
Research and development grants
Medical student loans
Employer tax deductions for health care insurance
Individual tax deductions for insurance premiums
Individual tax deductions for medical expenses
Free child Vaccinations
Medical University grants
Sliding scale Health Care Clinics
Paying for the indigent care through emergency rooms
State employee Health Care
Federal Employee Health care

etc etc etc that is government funded so that we can have a FREE MARKET that will bring health care costs down?

YES or NO answer please....
 
15th post
Do your own homework.Put it this way, I have never lied to you before. You can check back as far as you want. Why would I ruin my reputation here as an impeccable source of truth now?
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In other words, you make stuff up as you go along. Gotcha.
 
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I'm a major advocate of the single payer system.


I'm a major advocate of educating the foolish...

Free market answers should always be considered before collectivist responses to America's policies.
In the case of the Bolshevik Fallacy, ObamaCare, the flaw is in misunderstanding human nature.
If people have skin in the game, financially, they spend money far more carefully.



jkxtwxn.jpg



When you spend your own money on yourself (box 1), you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost. And that drives the businesses that are competing for your money to constantly seek more efficient ways of producing better products at better prices.

Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost."
Why Single-Payer Health Care Delivers Poor Quality at High Cost | Daniel J. Mitchell
So, abolish the tax deduction for employers providing most of our insurance now....right?


And abolish the tax write offs we get for medical expenses, abolish military medical coverage, abolish MEDICARE and Medicaid, and VA health care and CHIP...children's health care, and abolish TRCARE, and federal grants and loans for medical schooling, abolish research and development monies, all federal and state employee insurance, etc etc etc that is all federal and state gov't funds.....

THEN AND ONLY THEN
Will you have your so called "Free Market"

Sounds good?


Totalitarian governance is base ignoring what the people want.

Hence...ObamaCare.


Prior to the full court press to which you have succumbed, costs were decreasing, and some 90% were happy with their healthcare.

Increases in healthcare expenditures:
2003 8.6%
2004 6.9%
2005 6.5%
2006 6.7%
2007 6.1%
Compare to 10.5% in 1970 and 13% in 1980
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/06/08/downgrading-american-medical-c/print
Also: Baldwin Wallace University



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.

Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it


And, of course, the experience with ObamaCare has proven exactly what the Right predicted.
Nice distraction!

so, how about addressing my post...

in order to have this "free market" that you claim will solve all ills,

Are you willing to drop:

MEDICAID
MEDICARE
VA CARE
MILITARY CARE
TRICARE
CHIPS
Research and development grants
Medical student loans
Employer tax deductions for health care insurance
Individual tax deductions for insurance premiums
Individual tax deductions for medical expenses
Free child Vaccinations
Medical University grants
Sliding scale Health Care Clinics
Paying for the indigent care through emergency rooms
State employee Health Care
Federal Employee Health care

etc etc etc that is government funded so that we can have a FREE MARKET that will bring health care costs down?

YES or NO answer please....


How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
[Before Bolshevik....er, ObamaCare]

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
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" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country."
http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf





BTW.....were you able to find any errors here:

1. The desire of many who support ObamaCare is to have others pay their healthcare insurance costs.

2. .....ObamaCare is not healthcare....it's healthcare insurance. Since 1986, everyone has had federally mandated healthcare.

3. Those in actual need of assistance to purchase healthcare insurance amounts to less than 0.05% of the population. There are many ways to solve their problem outside of destroying a very popular system: 85-90% of those within the system were happy with it.

4. ObamaCare has squandered enough money to give each of the above in need some $15,000 to purchase private healthcare insurance.

5. Rather than healthcare costs rising, healthcare costs were actully falling or leveling off.

6. Before ObamaCare, out of pocket expenses in the US were actually lower than in many nations with national insurance.

7. "Obama Promised Healthcare Premiums Would Fall $2,500 Per Family; They Have Climbed $4,865"
8. 'Bolshevik' is the accurate description, as ,nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917.

9. When you spend your own money on yourself you try to maximize quality while minimizing cost producing better products at better prices. Governments, by contrast, don’t worry about efficiency or cost.

10 . Here's Obama stating he's for single payer:



None?

Excellent.
 
I know Joe that you wont bother with this article, but keep on showing the rest of us how ******* ignorant you are with the history of taxes on the US citizens. I am done with you and you other worthless liberals, as I have to find new people who aren't as fortunate and help bring them to find their pursuit of happiness, by helping them avoid paying taxes with loopholes provided by the federal government.

YOu are right, the article you posted wasn't worth bothering with.

Here's why we have an income tax. Because what we were doing before that wasn't working!

so you are an accountant this week? I thought you were a plane mechanic? Seriously, you have more careers than Barbie!
Poor poor Joe, I was an avionics technician for over 15 years, collected a large sum of money(all legally) avoided paying taxes while overseas, and came back here participating in the stock market amassing an even larger fortune. I find other people who are willing to sacrifice a little time to learn how to become wealthy also. Those that listen get rich, and conservative, those that don't, stay bitching and moaning how unfair life is, so lets tax the rich more. I am laughing at you Joe, and your two houses, and your liberal victimhood.....
 
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