So, let's go ahead and go back to the '1967' borders and end the 'occupation'

[montelatici]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

Yeah, those nations that told the Arabs living in that area to get out of the way because it would be a simple operation to get the Jews out of it were wrong.

The operation was an attempt to prevent the Europeans from evicting the native people and transforming the European colony into a state for Europeans at the expense of the native people. The Europeans could have been of any religion, for example, the European colonists in Algeria, and Rhodesia were Christians.

The British knew this was the case as recently declassified documents have confirmed. The British declared that the only possible way that the Palestinians might be saved from murder and/or eviction as a result of European (Jewish) aggression was the intervention of the Arab states.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'"

In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show......The British government knew from the moment it planned to withdraw its forces from Palestine more than 60 years ago that partition of the territory and the founding of the state of Israel would lead to war and defeat for the Arabs, secret documents released make clear.....After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

 

[hadit]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

Yeah, those nations that told the Arabs living in that area to get out of the way because it would be a simple operation to get the Jews out of it were wrong.

The operation was an attempt to prevent the Europeans from evicting the native people and transforming the European colony into a state for Europeans at the expense of the native people. The Europeans could have been of any religion, for example, the European colonists in Algeria, and Rhodesia were Christians.

The British knew this was the case as recently declassified documents have confirmed. The British declared that the only possible way that the Palestinians might be saved from murder and/or eviction as a result of European (Jewish) aggression was the intervention of the Arab states.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'"

In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show......The British government knew from the moment it planned to withdraw its forces from Palestine more than 60 years ago that partition of the territory and the founding of the state of Israel would lead to war and defeat for the Arabs, secret documents released make clear.....After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

The British were right. They knew the Arab hatred of Jews runs extremely deep, and they would take whatever steps they could to prevent a Jewish nation in the region. They were also right that the Arab nations would fail (and spectacularly so) to drive the tiny, nascent nation out. Gee, it's almost like those Bronze age Jewish writers really knew what they were talking about when they predicted this would happen. Again, it's difficult to take the outrage seriously when it is so selectively pointed solely at Israel.

 

[montelatici]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

Yeah, those nations that told the Arabs living in that area to get out of the way because it would be a simple operation to get the Jews out of it were wrong.

The operation was an attempt to prevent the Europeans from evicting the native people and transforming the European colony into a state for Europeans at the expense of the native people. The Europeans could have been of any religion, for example, the European colonists in Algeria, and Rhodesia were Christians.

The British knew this was the case as recently declassified documents have confirmed. The British declared that the only possible way that the Palestinians might be saved from murder and/or eviction as a result of European (Jewish) aggression was the intervention of the Arab states.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'"

In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show......The British government knew from the moment it planned to withdraw its forces from Palestine more than 60 years ago that partition of the territory and the founding of the state of Israel would lead to war and defeat for the Arabs, secret documents released make clear.....After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

The British were right. They knew the Arab hatred of Jews runs extremely deep, and they would take whatever steps they could to prevent a Jewish nation in the region. They were also right that the Arab nations would fail (and spectacularly so) to drive the tiny, nascent nation out. Gee, it's almost like those Bronze age Jewish writers really knew what they were talking about when they predicted this would happen. Again, it's difficult to take the outrage seriously when it is so selectively pointed solely at Israel.

The British knew, as the declassified documents show, that the murderous invading European (Jews) were intent on evicting the native people. It had nothing to do with Arab (Christian and Muslim) hatred of Jews, it had to do with their hatred of a murderous European invader. Understand the difference?

 

[hadit]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

Yeah, those nations that told the Arabs living in that area to get out of the way because it would be a simple operation to get the Jews out of it were wrong.

The operation was an attempt to prevent the Europeans from evicting the native people and transforming the European colony into a state for Europeans at the expense of the native people. The Europeans could have been of any religion, for example, the European colonists in Algeria, and Rhodesia were Christians.

The British knew this was the case as recently declassified documents have confirmed. The British declared that the only possible way that the Palestinians might be saved from murder and/or eviction as a result of European (Jewish) aggression was the intervention of the Arab states.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'"

In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show......The British government knew from the moment it planned to withdraw its forces from Palestine more than 60 years ago that partition of the territory and the founding of the state of Israel would lead to war and defeat for the Arabs, secret documents released make clear.....After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

The British were right. They knew the Arab hatred of Jews runs extremely deep, and they would take whatever steps they could to prevent a Jewish nation in the region. They were also right that the Arab nations would fail (and spectacularly so) to drive the tiny, nascent nation out. Gee, it's almost like those Bronze age Jewish writers really knew what they were talking about when they predicted this would happen. Again, it's difficult to take the outrage seriously when it is so selectively pointed solely at Israel.

The British knew, as the declassified documents show, that the murderous invading European (Jews) were intent on evicting the native people. It had nothing to do with Arab (Christian and Muslim) hatred of Jews, it had to do with their hatred of a murderous European invader. Understand the difference?

Wow, the murderous invading Jews, who had just come out of a real genocide attempt in which some 6 million of their own were slaughtered like so many sheep, are going to have less than a million people drive out over a million of those living in the area that were backed by many million more in the much larger, established surrounding nations? These are some super duper bad guys! Sounds a lot like what they did after coming out of slavery in Egypt. We'd better not mess with them!

 

[montelatici]

What would you call people from another continent that go to a territory to evict and/or kill hundreds of thousands of the native people in order to establish a colony and state for themselves? Not murderous?

 

[Boston1]

I don't recall that any colony that would be developed into a state was established in Europe for people from another continent after WW1. Nor do I recall any action that evicted hundreds of thousands of European native people to make way for people from another continent.

Yeah, those nations that told the Arabs living in that area to get out of the way because it would be a simple operation to get the Jews out of it were wrong.

The operation was an attempt to prevent the Europeans from evicting the native people and transforming the European colony into a state for Europeans at the expense of the native people. The Europeans could have been of any religion, for example, the European colonists in Algeria, and Rhodesia were Christians.

The British knew this was the case as recently declassified documents have confirmed. The British declared that the only possible way that the Palestinians might be saved from murder and/or eviction as a result of European (Jewish) aggression was the intervention of the Arab states.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'"

In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show......The British government knew from the moment it planned to withdraw its forces from Palestine more than 60 years ago that partition of the territory and the founding of the state of Israel would lead to war and defeat for the Arabs, secret documents released make clear.....After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

The British were right. They knew the Arab hatred of Jews runs extremely deep, and they would take whatever steps they could to prevent a Jewish nation in the region. They were also right that the Arab nations would fail (and spectacularly so) to drive the tiny, nascent nation out. Gee, it's almost like those Bronze age Jewish writers really knew what they were talking about when they predicted this would happen. Again, it's difficult to take the outrage seriously when it is so selectively pointed solely at Israel.

The British knew, as the declassified documents show, that the murderous invading European (Jews) were intent on evicting the native people. It had nothing to do with Arab (Christian and Muslim) hatred of Jews, it had to do with their hatred of a murderous European invader. Understand the difference?

murderous invading European Jews ?

What would you call people from another continent that go to a territory to evict and/or kill hundreds of thousands of the native people in order to establish a colony and state for themselves? Not murderous?

Nonsense, lets review

The Judaic people returned from mostly the surrounding states, only about 35% came from Europe.

See
Demographics of Israel

We've been over this time and time again however it doesn't seem to fit your revisionist diatribe so once again you are ignoring all facts in favor of your hatred inspired justifications.

So once again your racist nonsense is based off lies

Of all the native peoples in Africa and the Middle east the Judaic people are the ONLY ones to be thus slandered and its more than obvious that racism is the central theme.

Injustice has nothing to do with your hatred of indigenous peoples.

 

[Shusha]

What would you call people from another continent that go to a territory to evict and/or kill hundreds of thousands of the native people in order to establish a colony and state for themselves? Not murderous?

What do you call a people who have been driven from their home and nation and long to return to it, and finally can and do?

It is revisionist to call the Jewish people European colonial invaders because it completely disconnects us from our history and our homeland. No other peoples is disconnected from their homeland and their history the way the Jewish people are.

 

[montelatici]

Close to 100% of the Jews in Mandatory Palestine came from Europe or were Europeans from the Americas and Oceania. 1936 is a typical year. You can go through all the years of the Mandate if you like. The facts are available from official archives, why rely on Zionist propaganda if you really want to have a serious discussion. The Survey of Palestine volumes 1,2 and3 are available at NYU's and Wagner's Berman Jewish Policy Archive. The link is below the tables.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ NYU Wagner

 

[Boston1]

Close to 100% of the Jews in Mandatory Palestine came from Europe or were Europeans from the Americas and Oceania. 1936 is a typical year. You can go through all the years of the Mandate if you like. The facts are available from official archives, why rely on Zionist propaganda if you really want to have a serious discussion. The Survey of Palestine volumes 1,2 and3 are available at NYU's and Wagner's Berman Jewish Policy Archive. The link is below the tables.


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Your arguments are disingenuous at best again. Your graph of immigration in 1936 ( deliberately so small it takes magnifying glasses to read it ) shows ONLY immigration from Europe and fails to even list other countries other than in the America's Australia and Europe. Not a very accurate way to actually count up all immigration if your only counting it from the area's you wish to lie about and say contributed 100% to OVERALL immigration.

Sad sad reality is once again your hatred is blinding you to the facts

Only about 35% of the returnees came from Europe.
See previous ref.

Oh and your source doesn't seem to contain that graph, if it does, its poorly referenced as the site is quite large.

 

[montelatici]

What would you call people from another continent that go to a territory to evict and/or kill hundreds of thousands of the native people in order to establish a colony and state for themselves? Not murderous?

What do you call a people who have been driven from their home and nation and long to return to it, and finally can and do?

It is revisionist to call the Jewish people European colonial invaders because it completely disconnects us from our history and our homeland. No other peoples is disconnected from their homeland and their history the way the Jewish people are.

When they evict and/or murder hundreds of thousands of the native inhabitants, based on a hunch that over 2,000 years prior there was a distant relative from the area, I call them invading, murderering, land grabbers. What else can they be called after evicting and/or murdering people whose ancestors had lived in an area for over 2,000 years, based on a hunch and a fairy tale.

Besides the Roma there are plenty of people that were evicted from their homelands, the Istrians, and many others. Nothing unique there. Plus, why in the hell should the Palestinians have been punished for the the alleged persecution of European Jews by other Europeans. It is exasperating to observe Zionists justifying the hell they are putting the Palestinians through.

 

[Boston1]

What would you call people from another continent that go to a territory to evict and/or kill hundreds of thousands of the native people in order to establish a colony and state for themselves? Not murderous?

What do you call a people who have been driven from their home and nation and long to return to it, and finally can and do?

It is revisionist to call the Jewish people European colonial invaders because it completely disconnects us from our history and our homeland. No other peoples is disconnected from their homeland and their history the way the Jewish people are.

When they evict and/or murder hundreds of thousands of the native inhabitants, based on a hunch that over 2,000 years prior there was a distant relative from the area, I call them invading, murderering, land grabbers. What else can they be called after evicting and/or murdering people whose ancestors had lived in an area for over 2,000 years, based on a hunch and a fairy tale.

Besides the Roma there are plenty of people that were evicted from their homelands, the Istrians, and many others. Nothing unique there. Plus, why in the hell should the Palestinians have been punished for the the alleged persecution of European Jews by other Europeans. It is exasperating to observe Zionists justifying the hell they are putting the Palestinians through.

There will be no return to the 67 line for a number of reasons. Which you seem desperate to avoid. The Arabs adamantly refuse to acknowledge the line in the first place, now its some kinda holly grail. The Arabs started the wars that led to the need for the land in the first place. So handing it back when there is an ongoing conflict is ludicrous.

In the end no rational critically thinking individual would even contemplate giving up a vibrant and thriving part of Israel to accommodate the illusion of there having ever been a state called palestine. Its simply not going to happen.

 

[Shusha]

Monte's link also only covers up to 1946 if I read it correctly. The Arab nations didn't start expelling the Jewish people until 1948 and continued through the 1950's. Nearly a million Jewish people during those years were forced to relocated to Israel.

 

[Shusha]

A hunch and a fairy tale? See? That's how the Jewish people are denied our heritage and history.

 

[Boston1]

Monte's link also only covers up to 1946 if I read it correctly. The Arab nations didn't start expelling the Jewish people until 1948 and continued through the 1950's. Nearly a million Jewish people during those years were forced to relocated to Israel.

The man is blinded by his own hatred.

No matter how often you point out his errors, the racism and bigotry shines and he simply can't face reality.

The situation don't develop in just one year and its ridiculous to try and prove 100% of the returnees came from just one place by excluding consideration of any other place.

In the words of my latest girlfriend "thats redone"

In the end, there will be no return to the 67 lines. No giving up of Jerusalem, no abandonment of area C and no third state for those claiming to have no state.

 

[montelatici]

Close to 100% of the Jews in Mandatory Palestine came from Europe or were Europeans from the Americas and Oceania. 1936 is a typical year. You can go through all the years of the Mandate if you like. The facts are available from official archives, why rely on Zionist propaganda if you really want to have a serious discussion. The Survey of Palestine volumes 1,2 and3 are available at NYU's and Wagner's Berman Jewish Policy Archive. The link is below the tables.


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Your arguments are disingenuous at best again. Your graph of immigration in 1936 ( deliberately so small it takes magnifying glasses to read it ) shows ONLY immigration from Europe and fails to even list other countries other than in the America's Australia and Europe. Not a very accurate way to actually count up all immigration if your only counting it from the area's you wish to lie about and say contributed 100% to OVERALL immigration.

Sad sad reality is once again your hatred is blinding you to the facts

Only about 35% of the returnees came from Europe.
See previous ref.

Nearly 100% of the Jews that migrated to Palestine during the Mandate period were from Europe, Americas or Oceania. The data is available in the link provided. If you want to repeat your propaganda without referring to the official figures, fine, but it just confirms you are full of shit. By the way, why do you post bullshit that is so easily debunked.

Before 1948, 90% of the Jewish immigrants were BORN in Europe and most of the rest were born in the Americas , Oceania or maybe in Israel.!!! How many could have come from Asia or North Africa? The claim that only 35% of the immigrants were from Europe prior to Israel's independence is the usual Zionist lie.

http://www.columbia.edu/~yc2444/From Haven to Heaven-Changes in Immigration Patterns to Israel.pdf

 

[montelatici]

Monte's link also only covers up to 1946 if I read it correctly. The Arab nations didn't start expelling the Jewish people until 1948 and continued through the 1950's. Nearly a million Jewish people during those years were forced to relocated to Israel.

The man is blinded by his own hatred.

No matter how often you point out his errors, the racism and bigotry shines and he simply can't face reality.

The situation don't develop in just one year and its ridiculous to try and prove 100% of the returnees came from just one place by excluding consideration of any other place.

In the words of my latest girlfriend "thats redone"

In the end, there will be no return to the 67 lines. No giving up of Jerusalem, no abandonment of area C and no third state for those claiming to have no state.

You are blinded by the propaganda. I rely on facts. You refuse to rely on facts. You refuse to read the official immigration tables from the Survey because you know that they will disprove the Zionist propaganda.

Fortunately there other neutral (even Jewish) sources like the link to Columbia University archives, where the facts can be found. The Zionist propaganda does not work anymore. Nice try though.

 

[Boston1]

Again you are desperate to avoid the topic. There will be no consideration of returning to a border that the Arabs insist never existed in the first place.

There is already at least one palestinian state and until that one is acknowledged I don't see a reason to discuss another one.

Your monologue concerning the demographics of the returnees is blatant racism. If you break it down by years and regions I'm sure you can say just about anything you want, but if you look at the numbers in any rational way, only about 35% of the returnees are from Europe. ;--)

Simply because you wish to only consider the years where European returnees were carefully counted and returnees from surrounding Arab nations were ignored doesn't mean that the overall numbers aren't exactly as specified, about 35%

 

[Indeependent]

Monte's link also only covers up to 1946 if I read it correctly. The Arab nations didn't start expelling the Jewish people until 1948 and continued through the 1950's. Nearly a million Jewish people during those years were forced to relocated to Israel.

The man is blinded by his own hatred.

No matter how often you point out his errors, the racism and bigotry shines and he simply can't face reality.

The situation don't develop in just one year and its ridiculous to try and prove 100% of the returnees came from just one place by excluding consideration of any other place.

In the words of my latest girlfriend "thats redone"

In the end, there will be no return to the 67 lines. No giving up of Jerusalem, no abandonment of area C and no third state for those claiming to have no state.

You are blinded by the propaganda. I rely on facts. You refuse to rely on facts. You refuse to read the official immigration tables from the Survey because you know that they will disprove the Zionist propaganda.

Fortunately there other neutral (even Jewish) sources like the link to Columbia University archives, where the facts can be found. The Zionist propaganda does not work anymore. Nice try though.

The facts can be found and you're not posting them?

 

[montelatici]

A hunch and a fairy tale? See? That's how the Jewish people are denied our heritage and history.

Whatever heritage claimed, from over 2,000 years ago, does not give the people that claim this heritage the right to evict and or murder native people living in an area for over 2,000 years. The Tamils claim Sri Lanka was their homeland and part of their heritage. The British did not help bring over more Tamils from India to populate the country and evict the native Sinhalese. It would have been wrong.

 

[Boston1]

Still desperately avoiding the issues surrounding this fantasy about a return ?

Sorry but the obvious truth is that the palestinians are still engaged in active warfare and have no right whatsoever to ANOTHER state.

Three Palestinians who tried to stab Israeli soldiers shot dead: army