Yes. Guilt is less important that the government denying fundamental constitutional rights to American citizens. So if the government doesn't let people smoke or eat trans fats its all "omg they are infringing on civil liberties, wah wah wah", but its all cheery if they infringe on peoples constitutional rights to habeus corpus, speedy trial, and the like, eh?
riiiight.. well you and terry nichols can share that little piece of wisdom while the rest of us go ahead and keep treasonous bastards from blowing up any more innocent american citizens. Indeed, go tell it to the ghost of Abe Lincoln who did the same thing in order to, again, protect innocent civilians from becoming a footnote in a larger conflict. As it is, the ONLY example of an American you can provide was, in fact, convicted after all. I guess some of us comprehend how damning the attempt at "Defensive Jihad" is to those being charged with acts of conspiracy to commit terrorism. Hey, maybe we can ignore a few more actual examples of ACTUAL muted liberty just because Al Capone was convicted on Tax Evasion rather than, you know, the gov prove that he was a ******* killer mobster!
You want guns in case because its all "omg can't trust the government they might turn on us and we'll need to defend ourselves (cause your glock will stand up to tanks...right)", but when the government accuses someone of terrorism, well they have to be guilty, right? I mean we don't even need a trial, eh?
No, they don't HAVE to be guilty. But, in your single example it turned out that he was, in FACT, guilty. Then again, you know how those jurors are probably Karl Rove plants!
I know, Jose Padilla probably should have pulled a ruby ridge and killed some law enforcement agents, eh? Would he raise to an entirely new plateau in your shrine of dickheads if Rage Against the Machine wrote a song about him? Indeed, boofuckinghoo, a man who was caught acting treasonous AND LATER CONVICTED didn't get a chance to kill Americans. For real, I'm creating a new branch of the mississippi river right now with the tears that im collecting in his honor.
the flaw in your silly ******* gun strawman is that the NRA doesn't defend the gun rights of felons with a criminal background in violent gun use. I wouldn't suppose you'd think that little piece of stupidity a few moves in advance.
He was convicted AFTER he was held for 4 years with no trial. When he was being held with no trial his accusations were unproven .
Indeed, this OBVIOUSLY means that he should be free to continue with, uh, conspiring to kill Americans! This is TOTALLY how our legal system works! Hell, didn't you know that Jeff Dahmer had conjugal visits before his trial?? Oh wait.. no, he didn't. What a ******* TRAVESTY that a murderer didn't get a chance to enjoy every second of pre-conviction, lemme tellya!
Oh, well its ok to throw away the constitutional rights of people if the government deems them a terrorist, eh?
In this case, yes. You know, since Padilla WAS a ******* terrorist conspiring to kill Americans. DOH! silly me, I should have known his jury conviction was rigged! obviously. Like I said, go tell it to the ghost of Abe Lincoln and tell him what kind of a Fascist asshole he was for winning the civil war.
Yes, he was. It took the government FOUR YEARS to charge him. He had no idea what he would be charged with, what evidence they had, his chance of acquittal, etc.
Do YOU know what he did or didn't know or are you making assumptions based on the position of your arguement? Post your source that proves that Padilla didn't know that his actions were the reason for his detention. OR, call me a fascist. That always seems to work for mouth foamers and goofball nutters..
LMFAO...right, people who believe that all Americans deserve habeus corpus are the lefts versions of ann coulter. What idiocy. Yes...extreme leftists like the Cato institute 
I'll let your own words speak for itself. You'd rather American's die than admit the necessity of preventing terrorist actions against this nation. That is the kind of blinded demagoguery that sells Ann's books and is exactly what causes you to make brilliant statements like:
Guilt is less important that the government denying fundamental constitutional rights to American citizens.
Its a thought crime, Shogun. NO crime was committed except for intent.
yea, conspiracy to commit murder is an innocent frolic through innocent-land too. Hey, maybe you can take a few minutes from your trite little tantrum to read a few case studies about just what type of sentence criminal CONSPIRACY will result in..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
Yea, I know.. Facts tend to suck when they don't support your predictable ******* rant, eh?
Thats nice. What someone is alleged to do does NOT remove their due process. To believe otherwise is simply un-American.
No, acting like a lemming enough to let a man who conspired to kill Americans go because of some silly ******* technicality, DESPITE THE GUILTY CONVICTION, is unamerican. Padilla got his day in court and, unfortunately for you, didn't turn out to be the saint that you wished he was in order to throw dirt on the Bush admin. Indeed, lecture me on what in unamerican when there are enough examples to set precedence in AMERICAN history some more.
