Smaller Aircraft Carriers

[22lcidw]

Is it time to bite the bullet and also produce smaller aircraft carriers with the larger ones? We can build new small conventional aircraft carriers from LHD marine troop carriers. We may get at least three for the price of one Ford Class carrier. Perhaps building a total of 6 Ford Class Carriers and 18 smaller carriers will get us into the next reset of military hardware. We can use advanced technology on the smaller ones also.

 

[Unkotare]

 

[mamooth]

We have smaller aircraft carriers, 2 America-class and 7 Wasp-class (with one Wasp-class, Bonhomme Richard, recently written off due to the severe fire.). 9 more America-class are planned, replacing the Wasp-class.

So, you might want to say we need _more_ smaller carriers, and then explain why.

 

[harmonica]

We have smaller aircraft carriers, 2 America-class and 7 Wasp-class (with one Wasp-class, Bonhomme Richard, recently written off due to the severe fire.). 9 more America-class are planned, replacing the Wasp-class.

So, you might want to say we need _more_ smaller carriers, and then explain why.

Gators vs Carriers??? what?

 

[harmonica]

Is it time to bite the bullet and also produce smaller aircraft carriers with the larger ones? We can build new small conventional aircraft carriers from LHD marine troop carriers. We may get at least three for the price of one Ford Class carrier. Perhaps building a total of 6 Ford Class Carriers and 18 smaller carriers will get us into the next reset of military hardware. We can use advanced technology on the smaller ones also.

..do you have links/etc for these ''LHD'' carriers??

 

[harmonica]

Is it time to bite the bullet and also produce smaller aircraft carriers with the larger ones? We can build new small conventional aircraft carriers from LHD marine troop carriers. We may get at least three for the price of one Ford Class carrier. Perhaps building a total of 6 Ford Class Carriers and 18 smaller carriers will get us into the next reset of military hardware. We can use advanced technology on the smaller ones also.

''Marine'' should be capitalized

 

[whitehall]

Anybody who is interested in such things is aware that the days of the gigantic sea battles are over. USS Cole survivors can testify that the biggest threat comes from suicidal jihad teenagers in a freaking speedboat. Carriers are just symbols of the wealth and military might of a nation and a convenient way to honor dead presidents.

 

[harmonica]

Anybody who is interested in such things is aware that the days of the gigantic sea battles are over. USS Cole survivors can testify that the biggest threat comes from suicidal jihad teenagers in a freaking speedboat. Carriers are just symbols of the wealth and military might of a nation and a convenient way to honor dead presidents.

wrong....
1.they were used in PG1...
2. they said that about guns on aircraft because of AA missiles = wrong
3. used in the Falklands
4. used in Operation Eagle Claw
--they are not just for sea battles..they are used for:
ground support
recon
air superiority--protecting the battlefield
etc

 

[harmonica]

..I see the small carrier Queen Elizabeth has AEW with choppers....so they can't handle planes like the much better Hawkeye AEW?

 

[whitehall]

Anybody who is interested in such things is aware that the days of the gigantic sea battles are over. USS Cole survivors can testify that the biggest threat comes from suicidal jihad teenagers in a freaking speedboat. Carriers are just symbols of the wealth and military might of a nation and a convenient way to honor dead presidents.

wrong....
1.they were used in PG1...
2. they said that about guns on aircraft because of AA missiles = wrong
3. used in the Falklands
4. used in Operation Eagle Claw
--they are not just for sea battles..they are used for:
ground support
recon
air superiority--protecting the battlefield
etc

Carriers might have been "used" in a hundred ways since WW2 but there ain't a sign of Carrier planes in the never ending conflict in Afghanistan. Face it, the age of Naval dominance is long gone.

 

[harmonica]

Anybody who is interested in such things is aware that the days of the gigantic sea battles are over. USS Cole survivors can testify that the biggest threat comes from suicidal jihad teenagers in a freaking speedboat. Carriers are just symbols of the wealth and military might of a nation and a convenient way to honor dead presidents.

wrong....
1.they were used in PG1...
2. they said that about guns on aircraft because of AA missiles = wrong
3. used in the Falklands
4. used in Operation Eagle Claw
--they are not just for sea battles..they are used for:
ground support
recon
air superiority--protecting the battlefield
etc

Carriers might have been "used" in a hundred ways since WW2 but there ain't a sign of Carrier planes in the never ending conflict in Afghanistan. Face it, the age of Naval dominance is long gone.

wrong
..your post doesn't make sense = you agree they've been used a hundred ways

 

[mamooth]

Here's a marine carrier fielding F35s. They're not just helicopter carriers any more. They can operate fighter-bombers, making them light carriers.

 

[harmonica]

Here's a marine carrier fielding F35s. They're not just helicopter carriers any more. They can operate fighter-bombers, making them light carriers.

not many F35s there

 

[harmonica]

Here's a marine carrier fielding F35s. They're not just helicopter carriers any more. They can operate fighter-bombers, making them light carriers.

and Marine should be capitalized, please ..I've been on Gator ships.....an LHA, 2 LSTs, and the very old Inchon......
.....they don't have catapults, so the F35s can't take off with as much ordnance/etc, I take it.....?

 

[Dayton3]

Is it time to bite the bullet and also produce smaller aircraft carriers with the larger ones? We can build new small conventional aircraft carriers from LHD marine troop carriers. We may get at least three for the price of one Ford Class carrier. Perhaps building a total of 6 Ford Class Carriers and 18 smaller carriers will get us into the next reset of military hardware. We can use advanced technology on the smaller ones also.

Bad idea. Too expensive. Those smaller carriers still have to have crews and air wing personnel and escorts. And those things will not scale down comparatively just because the carriers are smaller.

 

[fncceo]

 

[22lcidw]

Is it time to bite the bullet and also produce smaller aircraft carriers with the larger ones? We can build new small conventional aircraft carriers from LHD marine troop carriers. We may get at least three for the price of one Ford Class carrier. Perhaps building a total of 6 Ford Class Carriers and 18 smaller carriers will get us into the next reset of military hardware. We can use advanced technology on the smaller ones also.

Bad idea. Too expensive. Those smaller carriers still have to have crews and air wing personnel and escorts. And those things will not scale down comparatively just because the carriers are smaller.

I believe they will just have less of it. There are currently a couple of ideas. One is to use the Marine Carriers with renovations and remodeling of the hull. the other is to scale down the Ford Carrier class. The Marine carriers use conventional fuel.

 

[Dayton3]

Is it time to bite the bullet and also produce smaller aircraft carriers with the larger ones? We can build new small conventional aircraft carriers from LHD marine troop carriers. We may get at least three for the price of one Ford Class carrier. Perhaps building a total of 6 Ford Class Carriers and 18 smaller carriers will get us into the next reset of military hardware. We can use advanced technology on the smaller ones also.

Bad idea. Too expensive. Those smaller carriers still have to have crews and air wing personnel and escorts. And those things will not scale down comparatively just because the carriers are smaller.

I believe they will just have less of it. There are currently a couple of ideas. One is to use the Marine Carriers with renovations and remodeling of the hull. the other is to scale down the Ford Carrier class. The Marine carriers use conventional fuel.

You know the "Marine carriers" are not remotely as fast as supercarriers. They would take days or even weeks longer to get to a potential combat zone on the other side of the world.

 

[harmonica]

..there's a reason they call them Landing Platform Helo, Landing Ship, Amphib Assault ships,etc = they are designed for amphib operations, not air combat, etc
....the CVs use a system---many different planes ---for MAXIMUM-efficient use:
AWACS
SEAD -Weasals/electronic
FIGHTER-FIGHTER/bombers
etc
..without the system, the fighting ability and defense is greatly lowered

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Anybody who is interested in such things is aware that the days of the gigantic sea battles are over. USS Cole survivors can testify that the biggest threat comes from suicidal jihad teenagers in a freaking speedboat. Carriers are just symbols of the wealth and military might of a nation and a convenient way to honor dead presidents.

wrong....
1.they were used in PG1...
2. they said that about guns on aircraft because of AA missiles = wrong
3. used in the Falklands
4. used in Operation Eagle Claw
--they are not just for sea battles..they are used for:
ground support
recon
air superiority--protecting the battlefield
etc

Carriers might have been "used" in a hundred ways since WW2 but there ain't a sign of Carrier planes in the never ending conflict in Afghanistan. Face it, the age of Naval dominance is long gone.

Wrong.