Slavery in America

[williepete]

Where's Jesse or Al when you need them?


Wealthy Texas Muslim couple found guilty of slavery offer up this unique defense

In law, an affirmative defense to a civil lawsuit or criminal charge is a fact beyond those alleged by the plaintiff or prosecutor that, if proven by the defendant, mitigates the legal consequences of the defendant's otherwise unlawful conduct.

The affirmative defense offered up by a Muslim couple who pleaded guilty to charges of keeping slaves in their Texas home is likely new to the annals of western law. The couple, Hassan al-Homoud, 46, and his wife Zainab al-Hosani, 39, originally of Qatar, argued that the prophet Muhammad kept slaves and that punishing them is thus “Islamophobic.”

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Wealthy Texas Muslim couple found guilty of slavery offer up this unique defense

 

[Auld Phart]

That does it.

My next slave will be a white woman, so that my neighbors don't scream racism

 

[MACAULAY]

This is the kind of nonsense we are going continually get the more we let these barbarians into this country.

America is the greatest society in history. Why in the Hell would we bring in a culture that is stuck in the 8th Century?

There is only one reason: The Democrat/Socialist think it gets them votes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Muslim equivalent of the Biblical defense used by the white and black slaveowner assholes arguing for slavery before the Civil War.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The Muslim equivalent of the Biblical defense used by the white and black slaveowner assholes arguing for slavery before the Civil War.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!



THERE IT IS FOLKS !!!

 

[mudwhistle]

The Muslim equivalent of the Biblical defense used by the white and black slaveowner assholes arguing for slavery before the Civil War.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!



THERE IT IS FOLKS !!!

Yep......about the same as "NANNER NANNER!!!!"

 

[BULLDOG]

Not the dumbest excuse used by criminals in court. I don't see the Muslim community trying to support the guy any more than I see the general community supporting a child molester when he says the kid seduced him.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Or America overwhelmingly supporting Trump. In fact, about 12% of America supports him.

 

[Pogo]

The Muslim equivalent of the Biblical defense used by the white and black slaveowner assholes arguing for slavery before the Civil War.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!



THERE IT IS FOLKS !!!

There it is indeed. I gave him a "Winner".
And here it is in slightly more detail:

>> The Bible identifies different categories of slaves including female Hebrew slaves, male Hebrew slaves, non-Hebrew and hereditary slaves. These were subject to different regulations.

Female Hebrews could be sold by their fathers and enslaved for life (Exodus 21:7-11), but there were some limits to this.

Male Hebrews could sell themselves into slavery for a six year period to eliminate their debts, after this period they might go free. However, if the male slave had been given a wife and had children with her, they would remain his master's property. They could only stay with their family by becoming permanent slaves (Exodus 21:2-5). Evangelical Christians, especially those who subscribe to Biblical inerrancy, will commonly emphasize this debt bondage and try to minimize the other forms of race-based chattel slavery when attempting to excuse the Bible for endorsing slavery.[citation needed]

Non-Hebrews, on the other hand, could (according to Leviticus 25:44) be subjected to slavery in exactly the way that it is usually understood. The slaves could be bought, sold and inherited when their owner died. This, by any standard, is race- or ethnicity-based, and Leviticus 25:44-46 explicitly allows slaves to be bought from foreign nations or foreigners living in Israel. It does say that simply kidnapping Hebrews to enslave them is a crime punishable by death (Deuteronomy 24:7), but no such prohibition exists regarding foreigners. War captives could be made slaves, assuming they had refused to make peace (this applied to women and children-men were simply killed), along with the seizure of all their property (Deuteronomy 20:10-15).

Hereditary slaves were born into slavery and there is no apparent way by which they could obtain their freedom.

So the Bible endorses various types of slavery, see below - though Biblical literalists only want to talk about one version and claim that it wasn't really so bad. <<
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These are explored in still more detail at the link: Rational Wiki

The moral: if you're gonna hang your hat on religion as a basis for behaviour, then be consistent with it.

Also known as "you can't have it both ways".

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The fact that you morons have the need to bring up the Christian Bible when this story is strictly about a Muslim using Muhhamed as his excuse, is fucking hillarious !!!!

There's something in the DNA of American liberals, that keeps them from simply denouncing a situation like this, without first bringing up the Bible, or Christians. You guys are utter clowns !!

 

[ClosedCaption]

Wow, I think this is the first time that a criminal tried to use an excuse to excuse their law breaking. Good stuff OP

 

[TNHarley]

It is pretty fuckin desperate to invoke Christianity into a discussion about islam. Isnt that a fallacy?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fact that you morons have the need to bring up the Christian Bible when this story is strictly about a Muslim using Muhhamed as his excuse, is fucking hillarious !!!!

There's something in the DNA of American liberals, that keeps them from simply denouncing a situation like this, without first bringing up the Bible, or Christians. You guys are utter clowns !!

Do you think that we can't show your hypocrisy? That we can't show you are a fool? It is so easy to show that you are a failure at this.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I predict most board liberals will avoid this thread like the plague.

The ones that have shown up of course, do the usual "but, but, but, buuuuuuuuutttttt Christians, the bible........

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The fact that you morons have the need to bring up the Christian Bible when this story is strictly about a Muslim using Muhhamed as his excuse, is fucking hillarious !!!!

There's something in the DNA of American liberals, that keeps them from simply denouncing a situation like this, without first bringing up the Bible, or Christians. You guys are utter clowns !!

Do you think that we can't show your hypocrisy? That we can't show you are a fool? It is so easy to show that you are a failure at this.

Jake, you're a fucking joke. Go fuck yourself.

 

[Pogo]

It is pretty fuckin desperate to invoke Christianity into a discussion about islam. Isnt that a fallacy?

If it actually were about that, it might be.

Since it's actually about holding one specific religion in judgment for its ancient texts (notice the emphasis in the OP) --- I provided some perspective. As did Jake.

You're welcome.

As you know, I mostly post about fallacies. That's why this one was appetizing. Low hanging fruit.

 

[Katzndogz]

A muslim used the same Mohammad excuse as a defense to child molestation not long ago.

 

[TNHarley]

It is pretty fuckin desperate to invoke Christianity into a discussion about islam. Isnt that a fallacy?

If it actually were about that, it might be.

Since it's actually about holding one specific religion in judgment for its ancient texts (notice the emphasis in the OP) --- I provided some perspective. As did Jake.

You're welcome.

"one specific religion" = islam, genius. Not to mention QUOTED BY MUSLIMS.
Desperation so deep I see the bone!

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fact that you morons have the need to bring up the Christian Bible when this story is strictly about a Muslim using Muhhamed as his excuse, is fucking hillarious !!!!

There's something in the DNA of American liberals, that keeps them from simply denouncing a situation like this, without first bringing up the Bible, or Christians. You guys are utter clowns !!

Do you think that we can't show your hypocrisy? That we can't show you are a fool? It is so easy to show that you are a failure at this.

Jake, you're a fucking joke. Go fuck yourself.

It is wrong when Christians or Muslims do it It means they don't live the morals on their religion. And when you condemn one and excuse the other, you are a hypocrite, a fool, an affront to common decency.

 

[Pogo]

It is pretty fuckin desperate to invoke Christianity into a discussion about islam. Isnt that a fallacy?

If it actually were about that, it might be.

Since it's actually about holding one specific religion in judgment for its ancient texts (notice the emphasis in the OP) --- I provided some perspective. As did Jake.

You're welcome.

"one specific religion" = islam, genius. Not to mention QUOTED BY MUSLIMS.
Desperation so deep I see the bone!

See the next post after yours. And try to keep up.