Skilled Trades are Dead

[braalian]

Too many migrants roaming the streets thanks to democrats who depress wages

Why do shitty employers seek out and hire them?

 

[Mac-7]

Why do shitty employers seek out and hire them?

They have no choice as long as some employers hire illegals they all have to

 

[Moonglow]

In the non-right to work states....that's exactly how things work as far as skilled trade unions go.

In the right to work states where unions are not so powerful....it's like the small contractors. They have easy enter trade schools which will instantly put you to work at a contractor. No tuition necessary. Just buy your own tools at any hardware store. (I'm not loaning out my tools)

And yet nobody wants these jobs. Sure most are outdoors some of the time. Some require heavy lifting. All require extensive safety training. Occasionally you will work swing or graveyard shifts. Also the location changes regularly.

But the pay is good and the hours are what they are. You definitely can make a living doing this kind of work. Layoffs are just an excuse for an unscheduled vacation. But you can schedule a vacation if you wish to. Nobody complains if you are anywhere near competent.

You are full of shit if you don't think they charge people to attend trade school.

 

[Moonglow]

100% the fault of employers who increasingly try to pay tradesmen shit wages

That is why I was a self employed mason/electrician.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

100% the fault of employers who increasingly try to pay tradesmen shit wages

Preparation Is the Most Important Part of Production

The worst pay-gouging is when those who will benefit even more than the student or trainee won't pay him while he is studying. We've been brainwashed by the Scrooges to believe he is the only one who benefits from it, like being trained or educated in Casino Gambling.

 

[JohnDB]

You are full of shit if you don't think they charge people to attend trade school.

Employers pay the tuition BUT most of the time the student pays for books and lab fees. It ain't much but....the lion's share is paid by employers.

No different from nursing students. They get a similar deal.

 

[Moonglow]

Employers pay the tuition BUT most of the time the student pays for books and lab fees. It ain't much but....the lion's share is paid by employers.

No different from nursing students. They get a similar deal.

I learned my trades by showing attention to detail as a laborer.

 

[JohnDB]

I learned my trades by showing attention to detail as a laborer.

Most of the skilled trades are 10% inspiration based on knowledge and 90% perspiration involving elbow grease.

However, when it comes time for things like motor controls, instrumentation, various transformers, and fixing the engineer's wet dreams....knowledge is of utmost importance.
Wiring a float switch from nothing but inspiration is almost a prerequisite....also complicated solutions for racks like concentric bends and 2-bend 90's and which wire goes where for instrumentation. These fundamentals for electricians don't happen outside of classroom instruction.
Even bathrooms are wired up as a float switch with an occupancy sensor anymore. (Properly by local AHJ)

Electricians are 2nd most dangerous occupation after Commercial Truck Drivers. There's a reason why.

 

[egp320i]

guess I got lucky, new guy in town who works fast, this guy has built homes from the ground up, licensed with plumbing, electrical and carpentry and knows how to do roof work and cement. fixed a bunch of things on my house for a great price

 

[JohnDB]

 

[MayorQuimby]

Same with your Military .

The few new ones are either social misfits or , apparently , born losers.

I wonder why they are starting to recruit from the immigrant, especially the illegal, populations.

 

[JohnDB]

I wonder why they are starting to recruit from the immigrant, especially the illegal, populations.

So long as they do as they are told us foreman and contractors don't care who does the work, where they come from, or what they do in their off hours.

And there are way too many young guys these days, that sit down to pee, that really can't or won't work. They have a sissy fit because they heard a 4-letter word that hurt their feelings.

 

[MayorQuimby]

So long as they do as they are told us foreman and contractors don't care who does the work, where they come from, or what they do in their off hours.

You should care where they come from, because you are supposed to give jobs to fellow Americans preferentially.

 

[JohnDB]

You should care where they come from, because you are supposed to give jobs to fellow Americans preferentially.

If they can produce documents and walk through the I-9 identity checking system....I have to hire them. Otherwise it's discrimination. Besides, it's not like the work is an office job. It's outside in winter and summer. The bathroom is a plastic box that stinks. Lunch is either a roach coach or something you bring from home.

 

[martybegan]

I hate to be anecdotal, but if a healthy, enthusiastic young man goes to his local union hall telling them he wants to be - for example - an electrician, he will be told to go fuck off. Same for plumber, steamfitter, bricklayer, etc.

It doesn't work that way. You have to know somebody or know somebody who knows somebody.

My nephew went through this process, and was after a year or so able to find a job as an apprentice with a NON-UNION construction company. After working his way up for five years or so, the electrician's union finally let him in - as an apprentice. He is doing fine now, getting well paid and doing as much work as he chooses on weekends to supplement his income.

The idea that these trades are not being filled because nobody wants those jobs is bullshit. The "system" is set up to make it difficult or impossible to break into the skilled trades.

Unless you know someone.

In my area (north of Pittsburgh), roofers, landscapers, and other small contractors who employ unskilled workers cannot fill their needs, even at $30/hr. People don't show up, refuse to work hard, or quit after a couple days. At least that's what they tell me.

Depends on the Trade. Right now in NYC the Locksmiths won't turn anyone away, the problem is people don't want to deal with a job that's 24/7 on call.

And Locksmiths are making tons of money right now.

 

[JohnDB]

Depends on the Trade. Right now in NYC the Locksmiths won't turn anyone away, the problem is people don't want to deal with a job that's 24/7 on call.

And Locksmiths are making tons of money right now.

Locksmiths also do regular hours and regular work. Specialty keys made and changing lock sets. Normal hours....but most do the emergency calls too.
They don't make tons of money but they make a living. The biggest hurdle is the bonding and background checks. Clean records are hard to come by. And without them you can't purchase the proper tools to do the job.

 

[martybegan]

Locksmiths also do regular hours and regular work. Specialty keys made and changing lock sets. Normal hours....but most do the emergency calls too.
They don't make tons of money but they make a living. The biggest hurdle is the bonding and background checks. Clean records are hard to come by. And without them you can't purchase the proper tools to do the job.

In NYC locksmiths make good money. Considering the location, locks are an important thing.

 

[MayorQuimby]

If they can produce documents and walk through the I-9 identity checking system....I have to hire them. Otherwise it's discrimination.

I don't want to derail this thread but: you shouldn't let your government push you around. Tell your nanny state that it is none of its friggin business that you as a private entity want to discriminate.