Skilled Trades are Dead

[JohnDB]

We are losing skilled tradesman in droves.
Carpenters, plumbers, electricians and mechanics. They don't exist anymore. Finding a contractor who actually shows up on time and does a good job....it's like Moses parting the red sea. A bona-fide miracle.

 

[lg325]

Include barbers, bartenders in that as well. I kept real busy through out the 1980s by being reliable and getting the job done right. One of the problems is pay. Some people want skilled work at laborers wages. I made a good in construction fixing others screw ups .

 

[luiza]

We are losing skilled tradesman in droves.

Same with your Military .

The few new ones are either social misfits or , apparently , born losers.

Thank goodness that St Trumpfy is seeking to try and MAGA .

 

[JohnDB]

 

[odanny]

Sounds fake.

Have you ever heard of AI?

 

[Moonglow]

Except to his own reality.

 

[JohnDB]

Sounds fake.

Have you ever heard of AI?

I remember this speech when he first gave it.

 

[odanny]

Except to his own reality.

Reagan was the great deceiver, he was an actor that delivered lines written by unsavory people who liked deceiving the masses.

Breaking apart the middle class was his stock in trade.

He created so many problems, you can pretty much blame the destabilization of Central and South America on Reagan's policies, as well as the U.S. border crisis that has been the fruit from the trees Reagan planted.

 

[JohnDB]

Reagan was the great deceiver, he was an actor that delivered lines written by unsavory people who liked deceiving the masses.

Breaking apart the middle class was his stock in trade.

He created so many problems, you can pretty much blame the destabilization of Central and South America on Reagan's policies, as well as the U.S. border crisis that has been the fruit from the trees Reagan planted.

But whatever your opinion of Reagan...

We NEED skilled trades to become great again.
People with mechanical aptitude to build things.

 

[JohnDB]

Every ship and submarine starts with a diamond of metal welded and beaten into perfect shape and size...meaning a machinist makes it. (About the size of a large dinner plate)
It cannot be warped in any direction or the whole vessel is warped.

Not many even know how to build one anymore .

Or how about a floating ball valve for an oil pump jack head. ?

 

[odanny]

But whatever your opinion of Reagan...

We NEED skilled trades to become great again.
People with mechanical aptitude to build things.

100%, and let me tell you, the advantage this country has over China in this regard is more vast than any ocean that separates us. They have assembly line precision down pat but that society cannot think on its own, there is always someone above each one that has to make a decision on what to do. I've experienced this first hand around some Chinese people, extremely hard workers but lacking the innate ability to stop and fix, (which even Americans are losing due to automation) and many people in this country have to just stop and fix things when they break down. People like farmers, just one example.

These skills are being lost over time to a reliance on automation that involves fewer and fewer people with the skills to fix things, having these skills will provide a lifetime of earnings that is on par, and many times greater, than those with higher levels of education.

 

[Mac-7]

We are losing skilled tradesman in droves.
Carpenters, plumbers, electricians and mechanics. They don't exist anymore. Finding a contractor who actually shows up on time and does a good job....it's like Moses parting the red sea. A bona-fide miracle.

This is the result of snooty lib females who want emasculated males that work behind a desk even if they make less money

 

[Correll]

Reagan was the great deceiver, he was an actor that delivered lines written by unsavory people who liked deceiving the masses.

Breaking apart the middle class was his stock in trade.

He created so many problems, you can pretty much blame the destabilization of Central and South America on Reagan's policies, as well as the U.S. border crisis that has been the fruit from the trees Reagan planted.

So, if you believe that, why are you fighting to protect his trade policy?

 

[JohnDB]

This is the result of snooty lib females who want emasculated males that work behind a desk even if they make less money

Yeah....
Even the HMIs I've installed have monitors instead of lit buttons, guages and dials anymore. The motor control cabinets have a screen instead of push buttons too. Kinda nuts IMHO. Don't get me wrong...I'm not against digital systems over analog. But analog is much much easier for most people to repair and understand what is wrong than a bad Amp on a circuit board which gives "mystery errors". The board costs like $0.35 to make and sells for $500. But it takes an electronics tech to figure out that's the problem. (Electrician swaps out the board once it comes in after ordering it) Where with an analog system all you need is an electrician to see that the ice cube went bad and he can swap it out for a new one costing $40....in stock. No ordering necessary.

4 axis robotics however are not controlled by analog systems. And it requires a team of people to keep them running. These robots use specialized tooling that gets broken or they have pneumatics or hydraulics that go bad or begin leaking and some fluids destroy their cabling causing short circuits or fires.

They claim that robots produce more....don't take sick days or need vacations. Ummmm....they do....they need ongoing maintenance and repairs.

 

[odanny]

So, if you believe that, why are you fighting to protect his trade policy?

Oh, so this is a veiled admission that you support the 25% tariffs from Trump? Or perhaps I interpreted your rambling incorrectly.

No matter, you have no earthly idea what I would/could be "fighting for", so your statement is already DOA.

 

[DGS49]

I hate to be anecdotal, but if a healthy, enthusiastic young man goes to his local union hall telling them he wants to be - for example - an electrician, he will be told to go fuck off. Same for plumber, steamfitter, bricklayer, etc.

It doesn't work that way. You have to know somebody or know somebody who knows somebody.

My nephew went through this process, and was after a year or so able to find a job as an apprentice with a NON-UNION construction company. After working his way up for five years or so, the electrician's union finally let him in - as an apprentice. He is doing fine now, getting well paid and doing as much work as he chooses on weekends to supplement his income.

The idea that these trades are not being filled because nobody wants those jobs is bullshit. The "system" is set up to make it difficult or impossible to break into the skilled trades.

Unless you know someone.

In my area (north of Pittsburgh), roofers, landscapers, and other small contractors who employ unskilled workers cannot fill their needs, even at $30/hr. People don't show up, refuse to work hard, or quit after a couple days. At least that's what they tell me.

 

[odanny]

It doesn't work that way. You have to know somebody or know somebody who knows somebody.

No you don't, but you might have to prove aptitude, and you acquire this through attending and finishing a trade school, there are plenty of them to choose from. I don't know how much they cost but you can surely repay the loan when you start working.

 

[progressive hunter]

Sounds fake.

Have you ever heard of AI?

the concept is solid,,

 

[odanny]

the concept is solid,,

But the video sounds fake, and likely is fake.

 

[Correll]

Oh, so this is a veiled admission that you support the 25% tariffs from Trump? Or perhaps I interpreted your rambling incorrectly.

No matter, you have no earthly idea what I would/could be "fighting for", so your statement is already DOA.

Reagan's freetrade/globalization became teh status qou that big business adjusted to.

And the American workers got fucked by.

NOw, Trump and maga are finally, FINALLY dealing with the fact that that policy did NOT deliver what it promised.

And the Establishment Powers that Be and their serfs, are fighting against TRUMP and MAGA that are trying to fix that.


YOU are on the side of REAGAN'S old and now failed trade policy.


So, yeah. That is my point. Would you like to address it now?