Significance of 6/1

[Stryder50]

No Congress critter apparatchiks were hauled off to re-education camps or firing squads.
None of the couple hundred whom occupied the one part of one building claimed they now hold the office of the representative/senator that scurried away.
None of the agencies and departments of the USA were taken over.
In essence, no coup/insurrection of reality or substance happened.
Many people may have broken laws, but the substance of the Federal government was neither challenged nor changed.

All this brouhaha over events of a few hours on a single day, Jan. 6, 2021.

HOWEVER ...
On the other hand ...
For 4-5+ months during the previous Summer of 2020, in several cities of the USA, we had "occupation" and "autonomous" zones ~CHAZ/CHAOS which in essence had declared and engaged in insurrection, claimed secession, sedition and those months also included near daily riots, vandalism, looting, arson, property damage, attacks upon Federal buildings with destruction and levels of occupation, assaults upon local police and Federal officers, assorted crimes against citizens, assaults, rapes, even a few murders, etc.

All this is on a collective scale that is thousands of times above and beyond what happened for a few hours on a single day in January.

All this was supported, if not encouraged, by the leadership of the Democratic party, both implicit and via their not speaking out in objection to or efforts to defuse and disperse the insurgents occupying portions of many major cities.

The @150 days of lawlessness and insurrection of the Summer of "Luv"-2020 is so quickly overlooked, forgotten, minimized, and swept under the rug.

This is the insult to injury we saw from the Left and the source of past and present clear danger to our Nation. Telling is that silence of those whom choose to ignore it and play sleigh of hand, mis-direction.

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So typical of the loose mush for brains that the Leftist-loonies have and explains why everything they say are lies, distortions, and disinformation.

The explosion in the background was the AntiFa and fellow thugs and insurrectionists riots in cities like Portland, Seattle, and several others we saw for months during the last Summer, 2020.

The couple hours of street theater seen on Jan.6,2021 doesn't even compare. Jan. 6,2021 was not the "Seven Days in May" Leftist anarchists claim it to have been.

Seven Days in May - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LOL

Yes, because a movie is a threat to our democracy.

Obviously this discussion includes concepts beyond the mental grasp and skills the public education system should have helped you develop.

Apparently, it includes old movies too.

Apparently concepts of memes and metaphors another shortfall of your limited education.

I prefer to live in reality. You should join the rest of us here sometime.

Part of your delusion is you think LaLa Land is reality. I left your fantasy world long ago.

LOL

Sure, that must explain why you're the one posting bullshit about movies from almost 60 years ago while the debate is actually about Insurrection Day from earlier this year

But it wasn't "Insurrection Day" on a scale anywhere close to Insurrection Summer of 2020.
In fact it wasn't even insurrection to those whom know what that word means and what they are talking about.

That movie gave a hint of what a real insurrection towards the Federal guv'mint could look like.
Jan. 6 was a lame "Saturday Night Live" sketch of "street theater" common to Leftists and Alinsky-ites.

Believe me, if the Alt-Right really wanted to engage an insurrection, it would be more organized and effective than what you saw on Jan. 6.

 

[Stryder50]

1-6-21 was an FBI false flag.....

Yeah. . . I'm coming more and more around to that POV.

We have CIA and FBI embedded in all of our MSM news channels.

When you even have progressives pointing it out?

The Deep State has jumped the shark on this. . .

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media​

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.​

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.

greenwald.substack.com

So Much Of What The CIA Used To Do Covertly It Now Does Overtly

Listen to a reading of this article: In the later years of an abusive relationship I was in, my abuser had become so confident in how mentally caged he had me that he’d start overtly telling …

caitlinjohnstone.com

Who Wants To Hear My Crazy, Kooky Conspiracy Theory About 1/6?

Listen to a reading of this article: Glenn Greenwald has a new article out titled “Questions About the FBI’s Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media”…

caitlinjohnstone.com

All one has to do is a search for the brothers James and John Sullivan, and their father. . . who is a figure of some mystery. Rumors have it, that their father is military intelligence. . . maybe psychological operations, and there was even someone at the Capitol that was a known Psy-op officer arrested.

Who knows. . . some even theorize that Babbit herself, being ex-military was a crises actor, that whole thing being pulled off with squibs and is now in witness protection. Guess we'll never know.

Sure, we understand. Everybody was responsible except for Trump and his supporters....

You are completely missing the point of my post.

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence. . . you would understand what these sources are saying. From that piece;

". . . The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.

The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

. . . and this type of journalism is not new, and it does not just originate from the right, it comes from the left as well. This is very well documented that the FBI does this for the agenda of the STATE.

The Informants

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?

www.motherjones.com

Your partisan POV is making you blind to the possibilities, and you have not looked into what I have posted at all, you just want to believe what you want to believe. That is dangerous. You need to look more deeply into this.

revolver.news is fake news.

No more than ABC,NBC,CBS,NPR, and etc. "MSM" are fake news.

 

[Richard-H]

BUT? It certainly has given a lot of folks the vapors, and a convenient political football for the STATE.

Probably the most important factor to consider on what punishment comes out of it will be the political climate when the stalling tactics end.

Biden's job isn't in seeing justice, it's in seeing that the punishment is politically acceptable for the country. That's after all, his primary job.

As/if Trump's popularity crumbles, the punishment becomes more harsh.
If Trump's popularity is still negligible in the coming 3 or 4 months the punishment will be more akin to community service.

Just imagine the harm and the blood running in the streets if Trump gains back a shot at the presidency and Biden ensured that some life sentences are handed down!

Uhmm...

You do understand that the Administrative and Judicial branches of the Federal government are separate, right?

Gee Ricky, wouldn't that be the same as believing that Barr wasn't in Trump's pocket?
Don't try to sell bullshit to people who aren't Americans.

The AG is nominated by the President and can be fired by the president.

The AG can file charges, but does not determine guilt or innocence. They act as prosecutors.

Sentences are not set by the AG or the President. They are set by judges in the judicial branch, which is independent of the Administrative branch.

DUMBASS!!!

 

[MisterBeale]

1-6-21 was an FBI false flag.....

Yeah. . . I'm coming more and more around to that POV.

We have CIA and FBI embedded in all of our MSM news channels.

When you even have progressives pointing it out?

The Deep State has jumped the shark on this. . .

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media​

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.​

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.

greenwald.substack.com

So Much Of What The CIA Used To Do Covertly It Now Does Overtly

Listen to a reading of this article: In the later years of an abusive relationship I was in, my abuser had become so confident in how mentally caged he had me that he’d start overtly telling …

caitlinjohnstone.com

Who Wants To Hear My Crazy, Kooky Conspiracy Theory About 1/6?

Listen to a reading of this article: Glenn Greenwald has a new article out titled “Questions About the FBI’s Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media”…

caitlinjohnstone.com

All one has to do is a search for the brothers James and John Sullivan, and their father. . . who is a figure of some mystery. Rumors have it, that their father is military intelligence. . . maybe psychological operations, and there was even someone at the Capitol that was a known Psy-op officer arrested.

Who knows. . . some even theorize that Babbit herself, being ex-military was a crises actor, that whole thing being pulled off with squibs and is now in witness protection. Guess we'll never know.

Sure, we understand. Everybody was responsible except for Trump and his supporters....

You are completely missing the point of my post.

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence. . . you would understand what these sources are saying. From that piece;

". . . The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.

The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

. . . and this type of journalism is not new, and it does not just originate from the right, it comes from the left as well. This is very well documented that the FBI does this for the agenda of the STATE.

The Informants

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?

www.motherjones.com

Your partisan POV is making you blind to the possibilities, and you have not looked into what I have posted at all, you just want to believe what you want to believe. That is dangerous. You need to look more deeply into this.

revolver.news is fake news.

See if you can identify where you went wrong here. . . .

 

[Richard-H]

1-6-21 was an FBI false flag.....

Yeah. . . I'm coming more and more around to that POV.

We have CIA and FBI embedded in all of our MSM news channels.

When you even have progressives pointing it out?

The Deep State has jumped the shark on this. . .

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media​

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.​

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.

greenwald.substack.com

So Much Of What The CIA Used To Do Covertly It Now Does Overtly

Listen to a reading of this article: In the later years of an abusive relationship I was in, my abuser had become so confident in how mentally caged he had me that he’d start overtly telling …

caitlinjohnstone.com

Who Wants To Hear My Crazy, Kooky Conspiracy Theory About 1/6?

Listen to a reading of this article: Glenn Greenwald has a new article out titled “Questions About the FBI’s Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media”…

caitlinjohnstone.com

All one has to do is a search for the brothers James and John Sullivan, and their father. . . who is a figure of some mystery. Rumors have it, that their father is military intelligence. . . maybe psychological operations, and there was even someone at the Capitol that was a known Psy-op officer arrested.

Who knows. . . some even theorize that Babbit herself, being ex-military was a crises actor, that whole thing being pulled off with squibs and is now in witness protection. Guess we'll never know.

Sure, we understand. Everybody was responsible except for Trump and his supporters....

You are completely missing the point of my post.

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence. . . you would understand what these sources are saying. From that piece;

". . . The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.

The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

. . . and this type of journalism is not new, and it does not just originate from the right, it comes from the left as well. This is very well documented that the FBI does this for the agenda of the STATE.

The Informants

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?

www.motherjones.com

Your partisan POV is making you blind to the possibilities, and you have not looked into what I have posted at all, you just want to believe what you want to believe. That is dangerous. You need to look more deeply into this.

revolver.news is fake news.

See if you can identify where you went wrong here. . . .

Where you went wrong is by following the RWNJ's "Boy who Cried Wolf" approach to denying the facts of the 1/6 attempt at insurrection:

You've tried blaming everyone except the people who were OBVIOUSLY responsible. You've tried gas-lighting the American people to a monstrous degree.

Now, no one cares to even consider your BULLSHIT.

You'll be blaming Santa Claus next.

 

[forkup]

1-6-21 was an FBI false flag.....

Yeah. . . I'm coming more and more around to that POV.

We have CIA and FBI embedded in all of our MSM news channels.

When you even have progressives pointing it out?

The Deep State has jumped the shark on this. . .

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media​

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.​

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.

greenwald.substack.com

So Much Of What The CIA Used To Do Covertly It Now Does Overtly

Listen to a reading of this article: In the later years of an abusive relationship I was in, my abuser had become so confident in how mentally caged he had me that he’d start overtly telling …

caitlinjohnstone.com

Who Wants To Hear My Crazy, Kooky Conspiracy Theory About 1/6?

Listen to a reading of this article: Glenn Greenwald has a new article out titled “Questions About the FBI’s Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media”…

caitlinjohnstone.com

All one has to do is a search for the brothers James and John Sullivan, and their father. . . who is a figure of some mystery. Rumors have it, that their father is military intelligence. . . maybe psychological operations, and there was even someone at the Capitol that was a known Psy-op officer arrested.

Who knows. . . some even theorize that Babbit herself, being ex-military was a crises actor, that whole thing being pulled off with squibs and is now in witness protection. Guess we'll never know.

Sure, we understand. Everybody was responsible except for Trump and his supporters....

You are completely missing the point of my post.

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence. . . you would understand what these sources are saying. From that piece;

". . . The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.

The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

. . . and this type of journalism is not new, and it does not just originate from the right, it comes from the left as well. This is very well documented that the FBI does this for the agenda of the STATE.

The Informants

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?

www.motherjones.com

Your partisan POV is making you blind to the possibilities, and you have not looked into what I have posted at all, you just want to believe what you want to believe. That is dangerous. You need to look more deeply into this.

Looked into it.

Lisa Kern Griffin of Duke University Law School: “Undercover officers and informants can’t be ‘co-conspirators’ for the purposes of establishing an agreement to violate the law, because they are only pretending to agree to do so. … An unindicted co-conspirator has committed the crime of conspiracy, and investigative agents doing their jobs undercover are not committing crimes.”

Let’s just say there were two or three (or ten!) G-men in the MAGA midst on January 6. And let’s say these guys were the ones pushing the envelope of aggression on the Capitol steps.

No matter how many times you’ve seen Donnie Brasco, it is very, very hard to imagine that an undercover FBI agent would physically attack a law enforcement officer like Michael Fanone as part of some triple bank shot false flag attempt to embarrass the lame duck president who was going to go away in two weeks regardless. But hey, dream with me here . . .

The FBI Did It? LOL - The Bulwark

Was the FBI behind the violent siege of the Capitol on January 6? This is the latest piece of unreality that the MAGA right is grasping onto to shed culpability for the domestic terror attack at the Capitol and exonerate the great patriots who watch their television programs. Fingering the FBI...

thebulwark.com

Yeah, I've heard this argument before.

It seems to be a valid argument, I will give you that.

. . . OTH? We do know that precedents have been set before in other incidents that the intel services have been creating terror incidents, so if they want to, they could find a way.

. . . and everything that the media tell us that happened on that day, may not be as it seemed, if it were, indeed, a psychological operation.

I note, a lot of the crimes that the folks are being charged with? Are not, "terrorism," but actually relatively mundane things. This hints at something being other than what the media spin would have us believe it is. . . .

Which, on it's face, would make your entire article irrelevant. If there were no real crimes, then intel infiltration would be no big deal, would it? We know that the media is peppered with spooks, so they could just as easily propagandize the public to BELIEVE there were real and serious crimes, when, indeed there were none. Thus, your entire article is irrelevant.

Why has no one been charged with trying to overthrow the government? Rebellion? Sedition?

The narrative being pushed by CFR media?

"Sedition" explained as capitol rioters could face 20 years in prison

There are over 400 criminal cases so far in the investigation of the U.S. Capitol riots, former acting U.S. Attorney for Washington Michael R. Sherwin has said.

web.archive.org

DO NOT match what is actually going on. .

Three Men Charged in Connection with Events at U.S. Capitol

www.justice.gov

. . . unless those folks getting charged were. . . somehow acting under orders. . .

And yet? They were the most visible, and some of the most prominent vocal & morale leaders, weren't they? So that doesn't make much sense. . .

So if that's the case, this breech of the Capitol, in which these clowns, who ostensibly were the visible tip of the spear, and only got, "charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds," then the Capitol protest seems to be nothing more than an unruly protest. . . .


BUT? It certainly has given a lot of folks the vapors, and a convenient political football for the STATE.

OTH? We do know that precedents have been set before in other incidents that the intel services have been creating terror incidents, so if they want to, they could find a way.

This would not be a precedent. This would be misconduct that would invalidate an entire investigation. Some mystical "they'll find a way" is not an argument.

 

[MisterBeale]

The AG can file charges, but does not determine guilt or innocence. They act as prosecutors.

The AG doesn't determine guilt or innocence?

Yeah, we know, apparently that is the job of the head of the FBI now!

The folks that act as investigators now are the ones that decide on prosecutions, really? They are now, judge, jury, and executioners?

 

[MisterBeale]

1-6-21 was an FBI false flag.....

Yeah. . . I'm coming more and more around to that POV.

We have CIA and FBI embedded in all of our MSM news channels.

When you even have progressives pointing it out?

The Deep State has jumped the shark on this. . .

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media​

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.​

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.

greenwald.substack.com

So Much Of What The CIA Used To Do Covertly It Now Does Overtly

Listen to a reading of this article: In the later years of an abusive relationship I was in, my abuser had become so confident in how mentally caged he had me that he’d start overtly telling …

caitlinjohnstone.com

Who Wants To Hear My Crazy, Kooky Conspiracy Theory About 1/6?

Listen to a reading of this article: Glenn Greenwald has a new article out titled “Questions About the FBI’s Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media”…

caitlinjohnstone.com

All one has to do is a search for the brothers James and John Sullivan, and their father. . . who is a figure of some mystery. Rumors have it, that their father is military intelligence. . . maybe psychological operations, and there was even someone at the Capitol that was a known Psy-op officer arrested.

Who knows. . . some even theorize that Babbit herself, being ex-military was a crises actor, that whole thing being pulled off with squibs and is now in witness protection. Guess we'll never know.

Sure, we understand. Everybody was responsible except for Trump and his supporters....

You are completely missing the point of my post.

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence. . . you would understand what these sources are saying. From that piece;

". . . The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.

The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

. . . and this type of journalism is not new, and it does not just originate from the right, it comes from the left as well. This is very well documented that the FBI does this for the agenda of the STATE.

The Informants

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?

www.motherjones.com

Your partisan POV is making you blind to the possibilities, and you have not looked into what I have posted at all, you just want to believe what you want to believe. That is dangerous. You need to look more deeply into this.

revolver.news is fake news.

See if you can identify where you went wrong here. . . .

Where you went wrong is by following the RWNJ's "Boy who Cried Wolf" approach to denying the facts of the 1/6 attempt at insurrection:

You've tried blaming everyone except the people who were OBVIOUSLY responsible. You've tried gas-lighting the American people to a monstrous degree.

Now, no one cares to even consider your BULLSHIT.

You'll be blaming Santa Claus next.

This who you are calling a RWNJ? Really?

Glenn Greenwald - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think my motivation to reply to you is done.

 

[MisterBeale]

This would not be a precedent. This would be misconduct that would invalidate an entire investigation. Some mystical "they'll find a way" is not an argument.

Your entire premise rests on the fact that some very illegal shit went down, that the narrative spun by the media is, indeed true.

What charges have been publicly filed, might not even, in the end, come to fruition. And at this point, the ones we know have been filed, are very minor indeed. Everyone that believes the incident in January is something as big as the corporate media is telling them, haven't bothered to look at the facts.

ON top of that, I believe you are being naive to how psychological operations work.

When the Obama administration updated the Smith-Mundt act, propagandizing the public is legal again since his administration, anyone that denies the possibility that this was all a psy-op to promote a STATE agenda, IMO, is being naive.

The paradigm you are operating under? IMO, is a false one.

From here on out, we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Richard-H]

The AG can file charges, but does not determine guilt or innocence. They act as prosecutors.

The AG doesn't determine guilt or innocence?

Yeah, we know, apparently that is the job of the head of the FBI now!

The folks that act as investigators now are the ones that decide on prosecutions, really? They are now, judge, jury, and executioners?

Wow, you really need to take a basic court in civics. You don't have a clue!

 

[Richard-H]

1-6-21 was an FBI false flag.....

Yeah. . . I'm coming more and more around to that POV.

We have CIA and FBI embedded in all of our MSM news channels.

When you even have progressives pointing it out?

The Deep State has jumped the shark on this. . .

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media​

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.​

Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media

The FBI has been manufacturing and directing terror plots and criminal rings for decades. But now, reverence for security state agencies reigns.

greenwald.substack.com

So Much Of What The CIA Used To Do Covertly It Now Does Overtly

Listen to a reading of this article: In the later years of an abusive relationship I was in, my abuser had become so confident in how mentally caged he had me that he’d start overtly telling …

caitlinjohnstone.com

Who Wants To Hear My Crazy, Kooky Conspiracy Theory About 1/6?

Listen to a reading of this article: Glenn Greenwald has a new article out titled “Questions About the FBI’s Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media”…

caitlinjohnstone.com

All one has to do is a search for the brothers James and John Sullivan, and their father. . . who is a figure of some mystery. Rumors have it, that their father is military intelligence. . . maybe psychological operations, and there was even someone at the Capitol that was a known Psy-op officer arrested.

Who knows. . . some even theorize that Babbit herself, being ex-military was a crises actor, that whole thing being pulled off with squibs and is now in witness protection. Guess we'll never know.

Sure, we understand. Everybody was responsible except for Trump and his supporters....

You are completely missing the point of my post.

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence. . . you would understand what these sources are saying. From that piece;

". . . The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.

The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

. . . and this type of journalism is not new, and it does not just originate from the right, it comes from the left as well. This is very well documented that the FBI does this for the agenda of the STATE.

The Informants

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?

www.motherjones.com

Your partisan POV is making you blind to the possibilities, and you have not looked into what I have posted at all, you just want to believe what you want to believe. That is dangerous. You need to look more deeply into this.

revolver.news is fake news.

See if you can identify where you went wrong here. . . .

Where you went wrong is by following the RWNJ's "Boy who Cried Wolf" approach to denying the facts of the 1/6 attempt at insurrection:

You've tried blaming everyone except the people who were OBVIOUSLY responsible. You've tried gas-lighting the American people to a monstrous degree.

Now, no one cares to even consider your BULLSHIT.

You'll be blaming Santa Claus next.

This who you are calling a RWNJ? Really?

Glenn Greenwald - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think my motivation to reply to you is done.

Sore loser!

 

[forkup]

This would not be a precedent. This would be misconduct that would invalidate an entire investigation. Some mystical "they'll find a way" is not an argument.

Your entire premise rests on the fact that some very illegal shit went down, that the narrative spun by the media is, indeed true.

What charges have been publicly filed, might not even, in the end, come to fruition. And at this point, the ones we know have been filed, are very minor indeed. Everyone that believes the incident in January is something as big as the corporate media is telling them, haven't bothered to look at the facts.

ON top of that, I believe you are being naive to how psychological operations work.

When the Obama administration updated the Smith-Mundt act, propagandizing the public is legal again since his administration, anyone that denies the possibility that this was all a psy-op to promote a STATE agenda, IMO, is being naive.

The paradigm you are operating under? IMO, is a false one.

From here on out, we will just have to agree to disagree.

No, my entire premise is that for your premise about the FBI being responsible for what happened rests on the idea that there were some unindicted co-conspirators and that that might indicate that the FBI condones and even wanted the riot to occur. A premise that is blown out of the water, not just because it relies on inferences not warranted by the available evidence. But that the whole idea that the FBI or informants can be co-conspirators is ridiculous in its own right for the reasons indicated.

My premise is not that very illegal shit went down. That's your line. If you read my original OP you will find, that I find the whole "what happened on 1/6" distracting from a larger problem. But if you want people to critically consider something that is, in fact, a conspiracy theory, you should also be able to find an actual counterargument when that conspiracy theory becomes invalidated by some very simple legal realities. Better at least than.

OTH? We do know that precedents have been set before in other incidents that the intel services have been creating terror incidents, so if they want to, they could find a way.

 

[MisterBeale]

co-conspirators

Co-conspirators to what precisely?

 

[forkup]

co-conspirators

Co-conspirators to what precisely?

Of course Trump's most fervent and radicalized supporters are implicated. But if you had even bothered to read that Greenwald article, and had an inclination to understand its' implications of how the FBI infiltrates, and not only encourages, but ENABLES political groups to commit acts of political violence

The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

Lighten up, Francis.
Real Americans want an accountability of that obviously fraudulent election. That means an audit.
Those who accept those election results on their face are dishonest. They’re the ones who truly threaten a functioning democracy.

I don't accept election results on their face. I accept them after they are counted. After legal challenges have been adjudicated and after the various bipartisan election boards have certified the results.

Your "obviously fraudulent" elections went through that entire process, including recounts and several audits.

This kind of touches on the premise of the OP.

You are perfectly happy completely disregarding what it means to live in a representative Democracy, namely adherence to how the law provides for the challenging of election results.

Bullshit. No audits. Just recounts of fraudulent votes. Everything else was dismissed either out of partisan concerns or safety concerns.

 

[forkup]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

Lighten up, Francis.
Real Americans want an accountability of that obviously fraudulent election. That means an audit.
Those who accept those election results on their face are dishonest. They’re the ones who truly threaten a functioning democracy.

I don't accept election results on their face. I accept them after they are counted. After legal challenges have been adjudicated and after the various bipartisan election boards have certified the results.

Your "obviously fraudulent" elections went through that entire process, including recounts and several audits.

This kind of touches on the premise of the OP.

You are perfectly happy completely disregarding what it means to live in a representative Democracy, namely adherence to how the law provides for the challenging of election results.

Bullshit. No audits. Just recounts of fraudulent votes. Everything else was dismissed either out of partisan concerns or safety concerns.

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report?bidId=

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/Cobb%20County%20ABM%20Audit%20Report%2020201229.pdf

These aren't audits?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

Lighten up, Francis.
Real Americans want an accountability of that obviously fraudulent election. That means an audit.
Those who accept those election results on their face are dishonest. They’re the ones who truly threaten a functioning democracy.

I don't accept election results on their face. I accept them after they are counted. After legal challenges have been adjudicated and after the various bipartisan election boards have certified the results.

Your "obviously fraudulent" elections went through that entire process, including recounts and several audits.

This kind of touches on the premise of the OP.

You are perfectly happy completely disregarding what it means to live in a representative Democracy, namely adherence to how the law provides for the challenging of election results.

Bullshit. No audits. Just recounts of fraudulent votes. Everything else was dismissed either out of partisan concerns or safety concerns.

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report?bidId=

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/Cobb%20County%20ABM%20Audit%20Report%2020201229.pdf

These aren't audits?

Maricopa audit is ongoing.

 

[forkup]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

Lighten up, Francis.
Real Americans want an accountability of that obviously fraudulent election. That means an audit.
Those who accept those election results on their face are dishonest. They’re the ones who truly threaten a functioning democracy.

I don't accept election results on their face. I accept them after they are counted. After legal challenges have been adjudicated and after the various bipartisan election boards have certified the results.

Your "obviously fraudulent" elections went through that entire process, including recounts and several audits.

This kind of touches on the premise of the OP.

You are perfectly happy completely disregarding what it means to live in a representative Democracy, namely adherence to how the law provides for the challenging of election results.

Bullshit. No audits. Just recounts of fraudulent votes. Everything else was dismissed either out of partisan concerns or safety concerns.

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report?bidId=

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/Cobb%20County%20ABM%20Audit%20Report%2020201229.pdf

These aren't audits?

Maricopa audit is ongoing.

No, the third audit is ongoing. I gave you the 2 previous ones.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

Lighten up, Francis.
Real Americans want an accountability of that obviously fraudulent election. That means an audit.
Those who accept those election results on their face are dishonest. They’re the ones who truly threaten a functioning democracy.

I don't accept election results on their face. I accept them after they are counted. After legal challenges have been adjudicated and after the various bipartisan election boards have certified the results.

Your "obviously fraudulent" elections went through that entire process, including recounts and several audits.

This kind of touches on the premise of the OP.

You are perfectly happy completely disregarding what it means to live in a representative Democracy, namely adherence to how the law provides for the challenging of election results.

Bullshit. No audits. Just recounts of fraudulent votes. Everything else was dismissed either out of partisan concerns or safety concerns.

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report?bidId=

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/Cobb%20County%20ABM%20Audit%20Report%2020201229.pdf

These aren't audits?

Maricopa audit is ongoing.

No, the third audit is ongoing. I gave you the 2 previous ones.

Apparently they weren’t thorough.

 

[OldLady]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

I agree with you, O Dyslexic One. Is it too late to fix all those 6/1 dates?