emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
danielpalos
Asking help from TheProgressivePatriot and anyone else from previous threads with danielpalos
and me on the Accommodations laws vs. freedom of speech, expression and religion ON BUSINESS WEBSITES
danielpalos
Keeps bringing up the assumption that if a business is going to express or advertise beliefs on their website "they have to file as a Religious Organization" and cannot serve the general public or it violates Accommodations laws to discriminate based on religious beliefs.
I argue that businesses like Christian Bookstores can still advertise and provide only select "faith based" goods or services they advertise as in keeping with their beliefs, and they can operate in public and do NOT need to be a "Religious Organization" to express or advertise their beliefs and faith based services to the public.
I asked danielpalos
to cite either NY, CA or federal laws that require businesses to be or file as "religious organizations" in order to advertise they only carry "faith based" goods or services.
I tried to explain they are NOT discriminating against Customers, because ANY Customer (whether Christian or not, whether for or against LGBT, whether Atheist or Muslim or any or no affiliation) can purchase the same goods or services as limited to the selection the business provides to the public. The discrimination is against the TYPE of service, so all Customers are treated the same; but the business makes it clear they do NOT provide certain services or goods. (In the case of the Bookstore, they may advertise they only carry Christian books, movies and products. In the case of clinics or doctors, they may advertise they do not provide certain abortive drugs or procedures, or they may or may not provide certain types of LGBT counseling or transition procedures, etc.)
danielpalos
Makes 2 leaps in assumptions that I do not make
1. We already agreed that the first difference is equating discrimination against a "type of service" (in this case, advertising only traditional male/female wedding services but stating clearly the business does not provide "same sex" services against the owner beliefs) with "discriminating against certain Customers" (ie LGBT Customers).
2. The Question here is over why danielpalos insists that Businesses "must be Religious Organizations" and remain private in order to express or advertise faith based beliefs or services, when I do not know of any law requiring this.
Is there something different in CA state laws (or in NY) that we do not have in TX where I am?
danielpalos
Keeps citing "accommodations" laws but this case was about WEBSITE content and the Business being able to EXPRESS or ADVERTISE Beliefs.
I asked danielpalos:
How can Christian Bookstores advertise their faith based merchandise?
Are they required to file as Religious Organizations?
Asking help from TheProgressivePatriot and anyone else from previous threads with danielpalos
and me on the Accommodations laws vs. freedom of speech, expression and religion ON BUSINESS WEBSITES
danielpalos
Keeps bringing up the assumption that if a business is going to express or advertise beliefs on their website "they have to file as a Religious Organization" and cannot serve the general public or it violates Accommodations laws to discriminate based on religious beliefs.
I argue that businesses like Christian Bookstores can still advertise and provide only select "faith based" goods or services they advertise as in keeping with their beliefs, and they can operate in public and do NOT need to be a "Religious Organization" to express or advertise their beliefs and faith based services to the public.
I asked danielpalos
to cite either NY, CA or federal laws that require businesses to be or file as "religious organizations" in order to advertise they only carry "faith based" goods or services.
I tried to explain they are NOT discriminating against Customers, because ANY Customer (whether Christian or not, whether for or against LGBT, whether Atheist or Muslim or any or no affiliation) can purchase the same goods or services as limited to the selection the business provides to the public. The discrimination is against the TYPE of service, so all Customers are treated the same; but the business makes it clear they do NOT provide certain services or goods. (In the case of the Bookstore, they may advertise they only carry Christian books, movies and products. In the case of clinics or doctors, they may advertise they do not provide certain abortive drugs or procedures, or they may or may not provide certain types of LGBT counseling or transition procedures, etc.)
danielpalos
Makes 2 leaps in assumptions that I do not make
1. We already agreed that the first difference is equating discrimination against a "type of service" (in this case, advertising only traditional male/female wedding services but stating clearly the business does not provide "same sex" services against the owner beliefs) with "discriminating against certain Customers" (ie LGBT Customers).
2. The Question here is over why danielpalos insists that Businesses "must be Religious Organizations" and remain private in order to express or advertise faith based beliefs or services, when I do not know of any law requiring this.
Is there something different in CA state laws (or in NY) that we do not have in TX where I am?
danielpalos
Keeps citing "accommodations" laws but this case was about WEBSITE content and the Business being able to EXPRESS or ADVERTISE Beliefs.
I asked danielpalos:
How can Christian Bookstores advertise their faith based merchandise?
Are they required to file as Religious Organizations?