Shouldn't the West all drop the facade of the term "progressive" and just be direct and call them Communists?

[Lysistrata]

The OP evidently does not have any understanding of what communism is.

It has been obvious for decades that the "conservatives"/right-wingers have posed the greatest threat to democracy and individual liberty in the US. Their policies regarding such things as voting, personal life, reproductive life, and freedom of religion clearly are designed to establish an authoritarian state.

 

[surada]

The OP evidently does not have any understanding of what communism is.

It has been obvious for decades that the "conservatives"/right-wingers have posed the greatest threat to democracy and individual liberty in the US. Their policies regarding such things as voting, personal life, reproductive life, and freedom of religion clearly are designed to establish an authoritarian state.

Its that Dominionist thing..

 

[Mac1958]

The OP evidently does not have any understanding of what communism is.

None of them do. They just toss the word around like a Frisbee™.

They did it with "socialism", now it scares no one, so they've moved to "communism".

No doubt the real socialists and communists around the world appreciate the assist.

 

[initforme]

There's no communistic programs in america. Capitalism is at its peak here. Where does this rhetoric come from?

 

[Mac1958]

There's no communistic programs in america. Capitalism is at its peak here. Where does this rhetoric come from?

The paranoia, arrogance and ignorance that is pumped into them 24.7.365 within their universe.

 

[kyzr]

There's no communistic programs in america. Capitalism is at its peak here. Where does this rhetoric come from?

Read post #20 AND the linked article

 

[surada]

Dominionists celebrate Christian nationalism, in that they believe that the United States once was, and should once again be, a Christian nation. In this way, they deny the Enlightenment roots of American democracy.
Dominionists promote religious supremacy, insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions, or even other versions of Christianity.

Dominionists endorse theocratic visions, insofar as they believe that the Ten Commandments, or "biblical law," should be the foundation of American law, and that the U.S. Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing Biblical principles.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries.

Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?

Can you provide examples or is this just more hyperbole?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

The term progressive has reached its limit of dishonesty. Let's be honest, progressive is just another term for communist. I see very little difference in their means to expand power, in their view of the individual or businesses and the governments role in them.

I'm not referring to someone wanting to hold businesses accountable, or even higher tax brackets etc. I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries. It's as if too many in the West are really buying into (or just looking at how they can profit from, as thy do in Canada) the CCP "philosophy" as being some superior system.

At the very least, let's drop the progressive mantra. please. It's disingenuous.

Here is a funny little definition of progressivism, which tells us really nothing about it's position, but at least they offered the concept of "progressive education", which is what some are pushing for. I.E, social engineering and communism:

Definition of PROGRESSIVISM

a political philosophy and social reform movement focused on advancing the public good through government action and often calling for government to be used to meet popular social, political, economic, and environmental needs and demands and to advance rights and protections… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

progressivism​

Definition of progressivism​

1 : the principles, beliefs, or practices of progressives
2 capitalized : the political and economic doctrines advocated by the Progressives
3 : the theories of progressive education

Sure, since we are throwing around buzz terms that you have no idea what they mean......


However, calling the GOP a fascist party is more grounded in fact than claiming "progressives" are communists....

So much grounded in fact that Tucker Carlson believes the GOP will nominate a fascist....

“I have said this before, and I’m telling you I’m worried that I’m right, the right is going to pick a fascist within 10 to 20 years.” Carlson chimed in to say that Kelly’s prediction was “right,” before the guest added that the U.S. has “60, 70 million of us. We’re not a tiny minority"

Tucker Carlson Justifies the Idea of a Full-Blown Fascist Takeover

The Fox News host and a guest somehow conclude that failing to lock up Hunter Biden may contribute to Americans choosing to live under fascism in 10 to 20 years.

www.vanityfair.com

Anyhoo...have fun with your self projection post

 

[rightwinger]

What Progressives support

Affordable healthcare for all
Low cost higher education
Clean environment
Modern Infrastructure
Fair wages

Yea......I guess that makes them Commies

 

[Polishprince]

I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries.

Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?

Can you provide examples or is this just more hyperbole?

There are plenty of examples, you know.

Like Sleepy Joe's massive restrictions on the oil and gas pipeline business, and his proposed new "Cafe" restrictions on auto manufacturing and other restrictions on America's tremendous Firearms Industry.

Even more than that, here in Pennsylvania, the Radical socialists in Harrisburg want to establish a new state government bureaucracy to control the Grass Business with their stupid "cannabis legalization" scheme.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries.

Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?

Can you provide examples or is this just more hyperbole?

There are plenty of examples, you know.

Like Sleepy Joe's massive restrictions on the oil and gas pipeline business, and his proposed new "Cafe" restrictions on auto manufacturing and other restrictions on America's tremendous Firearms Industry.

Even more than that, here in Pennsylvania, the Radical socialists in Harrisburg want to establish a new state government bureaucracy to control the Grass Business with their stupid "cannabis legalization" scheme.

Restrictions on a private business -- private businesses are a part of capitalism -- is not communism.

You people clearly don't understand what communism is.

You're on "the internet". You could learn. Why don't you?

 

[Coyote]

The term progressive has reached its limit of dishonesty. Let's be honest, progressive is just another term for communist. I see very little difference in their means to expand power, in their view of the individual or businesses and the governments role in them.

I'm not referring to someone wanting to hold businesses accountable, or even higher tax brackets etc. I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries. It's as if too many in the West are really buying into (or just looking at how they can profit from, as thy do in Canada) the CCP "philosophy" as being some superior system.

At the very least, let's drop the progressive mantra. please. It's disingenuous.

Here is a funny little definition of progressivism, which tells us really nothing about it's position, but at least they offered the concept of "progressive education", which is what some are pushing for. I.E, social engineering and communism:

Definition of PROGRESSIVISM

a political philosophy and social reform movement focused on advancing the public good through government action and often calling for government to be used to meet popular social, political, economic, and environmental needs and demands and to advance rights and protections… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

progressivism​

Definition of progressivism​

1 : the principles, beliefs, or practices of progressives
2 capitalized : the political and economic doctrines advocated by the Progressives
3 : the theories of progressive education

Definition of Communism:
Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.


What is the difference between Communism and Socialism:
The main difference is that socialism is compatible with democracy and liberty, whereas Communism involves creating an 'equal society' through an authoritarian state, which denies basic liberties. ... Communism is a political and economic ideology – closely associated with the state Communism of the Soviet Union and China.



No. Progressive is not Communism nor is Socialism. Different points on the spectrum.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries.

Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?

Can you provide examples or is this just more hyperbole?

There are plenty of examples, you know.

Like Sleepy Joe's massive restrictions on the oil and gas pipeline business, and his proposed new "Cafe" restrictions on auto manufacturing and other restrictions on America's tremendous Firearms Industry.

Even more than that, here in Pennsylvania, the Radical socialists in Harrisburg want to establish a new state government bureaucracy to control the Grass Business with their stupid "cannabis legalization" scheme.

Regulation is not control

Yes we require auto manufacturers provide safe autos
We require industries not pollute the environment
We require workers be in a safe workplace

Commies! I see Commies everywhere

 

[Mac1958]

No. Progressive is not Communism nor is Socialism. Different points on the spectrum.

This is the key. The term "spectrum" connotes nuance and complexity.

This is not a slam. I'm being literal. There are a lot of people out there who just impulsively shut the door to that.

 

[Coyote]

I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries.

Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?

Can you provide examples or is this just more hyperbole?

There are plenty of examples, you know.

Like Sleepy Joe's massive restrictions on the oil and gas pipeline business, and his proposed new "Cafe" restrictions on auto manufacturing and other restrictions on America's tremendous Firearms Industry.

Even more than that, here in Pennsylvania, the Radical socialists in Harrisburg want to establish a new state government bureaucracy to control the Grass Business with their stupid "cannabis legalization" scheme.

How exactly is that communism?

What is wrong with regulating and taxing the grass business like they do tobacco and alcohal? How is that Communist? It's not.

 

[JLW]

The term progressive has reached its limit of dishonesty. Let's be honest, progressive is just another term for communist. I see very little difference in their means to expand power, in their view of the individual or businesses and the governments role in them.

I'm not referring to someone wanting to hold businesses accountable, or even higher tax brackets etc. I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries. It's as if too many in the West are really buying into (or just looking at how they can profit from, as thy do in Canada) the CCP "philosophy" as being some superior system.

At the very least, let's drop the progressive mantra. please. It's disingenuous.

Here is a funny little definition of progressivism, which tells us really nothing about it's position, but at least they offered the concept of "progressive education", which is what some are pushing for. I.E, social engineering and communism:

Definition of PROGRESSIVISM

a political philosophy and social reform movement focused on advancing the public good through government action and often calling for government to be used to meet popular social, political, economic, and environmental needs and demands and to advance rights and protections… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

progressivism​

Definition of progressivism​

1 : the principles, beliefs, or practices of progressives
2 capitalized : the political and economic doctrines advocated by the Progressives
3 : the theories of progressive education

Maybe we should drop the facade and call Trump and Trumpers Stalinist.

Let‘s look at their record:

Trump called the press the “enemy of the people.” A clear Stalinist term.
Trump praised the Communist Chinese for 70 years of commie rule.
Trump bragged he sent love letters to Kim Jong Un.
Trump and Trumpears seek to pass laws telling private enterprise what they can and cannot publish.
Trump has used the power of the presidency to surreptitiously Investigate members of Congress.
Trump has made clear his love and admiration for Putin.

These are just for starters.

 

[Polishprince]

I'm talking about the level of demand for government centralized spending and control over industries.

Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?

Can you provide examples or is this just more hyperbole?

There are plenty of examples, you know.

Like Sleepy Joe's massive restrictions on the oil and gas pipeline business, and his proposed new "Cafe" restrictions on auto manufacturing and other restrictions on America's tremendous Firearms Industry.

Even more than that, here in Pennsylvania, the Radical socialists in Harrisburg want to establish a new state government bureaucracy to control the Grass Business with their stupid "cannabis legalization" scheme.

Restrictions on a private business -- private businesses are a part of capitalism -- is not communism.

You people clearly don't understand what communism is.

You're on "the internet". You could learn. Why don't you?

You are moving the goalposts here. I was answering the inquiry of your friend as to

"Where have progressives demanded the government have control over industries?"

Whether someone wants to label you a "communist", "nazi" or "horse's ass" for your devotion to Sleepy Joe is their choice.

 

[22lcidw]

Americans are not scared of communists anymore. You people ran around slapping the "communist" label on so many things that it has lost all it's fright value. Only the rapidly aging boomers have any memory of communists bring a threat. The hard right are the baddies of American politics these days.

The aging boomers are the last ones with any semblance of real education. Even with that there are different views and rejection of it. In the early 1970's when quotas and diversity was mandated the decline began in the robe wrapped around equality as a percentage of any group became the norm in Western civilization. Great visionaries in inventing, sciences and business and tech started to reduce. Most were white males. And they became repressed. We officially went into government as the all powerful for us all. The same for most of the rest of the world.

 

[initforme]

Legalizing cannabis would be a business boon with all the money it creates. Why states fight it is beyond common sense.