Should NATO Go After Drug Cartels?

[Bush92]

Mexico and Central America are out of control. Because these cartels ship their drugs to North America and Europe it would qualify. Afghanistan is a NATO mission and part of that mission is to stop the opium and heroin trade. The Mexican cartels are complete savages like ISIS.
Cruelty of El Chapo's Sinaloa cartel knows no bounds: Beheadings by chainsaw, body parts strewn in the streets

 

[harmonica]

....the US military cannot change the culture of other countries without a total war destruction followed by reconstruction
A.the US military would be at a disadvantage just like the soldiers who died in Niger/Vietnam/etc
..1. they don't know who the good guys and bad guys are
..2. do not know the territory
..3. the military is trained to kill/destroy in ''mass quantities'' using ''mass quantity''--not police work
... if you send in spec ops, they might be outgunned/out manned

 

[Pilot1]

No, drugs should be legalized, and that would destroy the Cartels. We need to end the War on Drugs. It is way to expensive, and gives government a reason for huge over reach.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

....the US military cannot change the culture of other countries without a total war destruction followed by reconstruction
A.the US military would be at a disadvantage just like the soldiers who died in Niger/Vietnam/etc
..1. they don't know who the good guys and bad guys are
..2. do not know the territory
..3. the military is trained to kill/destroy in ''mass quantities'' using ''mass quantity''--not police work
... if you send in spec ops, they might be outgunned/out manned

SOC units could be the eyes and ears on the ground for a precision air strike.

 

[harmonica]

....the US military cannot change the culture of other countries without a total war destruction followed by reconstruction
A.the US military would be at a disadvantage just like the soldiers who died in Niger/Vietnam/etc
..1. they don't know who the good guys and bad guys are
..2. do not know the territory
..3. the military is trained to kill/destroy in ''mass quantities'' using ''mass quantity''--not police work
... if you send in spec ops, they might be outgunned/out manned

SOC units could be the eyes and ears on the ground for a precision air strike.

didn't work in Vietnam
didn't work in Somalia
we are still in Afghanistan--not working
etc
most of the time [ 99.99% ] air strikes do not win wars
you still have civilian and friendly fire casualties with air strikes

what will these air strikes hit? accomplish?

 

[B. Kidd]

Mexico and Central America are out of control. Because these cartels ship their drugs to North America and Europe it would qualify. Afghanistan is a NATO mission and part of that mission is to stop the opium and heroin trade. The Mexican cartels are complete savages like ISIS.
Cruelty of El Chapo's Sinaloa cartel knows no bounds: Beheadings by chainsaw, body parts strewn in the streets

The NA in NATO stands for the North Atlantic.
Last time I checked a world map, Mexico and points south are not.

 

[Brain357]

Mexico and Central America are out of control. Because these cartels ship their drugs to North America and Europe it would qualify. Afghanistan is a NATO mission and part of that mission is to stop the opium and heroin trade. The Mexican cartels are complete savages like ISIS.
Cruelty of El Chapo's Sinaloa cartel knows no bounds: Beheadings by chainsaw, body parts strewn in the streets

We should stop buying all the drugs.

 

[B. Kidd]

Mexico and Central America are out of control. Because these cartels ship their drugs to North America and Europe it would qualify. Afghanistan is a NATO mission and part of that mission is to stop the opium and heroin trade. The Mexican cartels are complete savages like ISIS.
Cruelty of El Chapo's Sinaloa cartel knows no bounds: Beheadings by chainsaw, body parts strewn in the streets

We should stop buying all the drugs.

Too many American muppets are dying for them.

 

[georgephillip]

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production - Global Research

If it is still accurate to say arms sales, oil sales, and the profits of "illegal" drugs represent the three most lucrative economic activities on the planet, how likely is it US capitalists have any reason to stem the violence of the global drug trade?

 

[B. Kidd]

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production - Global Research

If it is still accurate to say arms sales, oil sales, and the profits of "illegal" drugs represent the three most lucrative economic activities on the planet, how likely is it US capitalists have any reason to stem the violence of the global drug trade?

It beats printing money.

 

[georgephillip]

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production - Global Research

If it is still accurate to say arms sales, oil sales, and the profits of "illegal" drugs represent the three most lucrative economic activities on the planet, how likely is it US capitalists have any reason to stem the violence of the global drug trade?

It beats printing money.

Time to end the American Empire?

List of United States military bases - Wikipedia

 

[Slyhunter]

Shoot all the druggies.

 

[georgephillip]

Shoot all the druggies.

Some of them appear more than capable of shooting back?

"As Wikipedia notes:

"Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001.

"Indeed, a brand new report from the United Nations finds that opium production is at an all-time high.

"Common Dreams notes:

"The cultivation of opium poppy in Afghanistan—a nation under the military control of US and NATO forces for more than twelve years—has risen to an all-time high, according to the 2013 Afghanistan Opium Survey released Wednesday by the United Nations.

"According to the report, cultivation of poppy across the war-torn nation rose 36 per cent in 2013 and total opium production amounted to 5,500 tons, up by almost a half since 2012.

"'This has never been witnessed before in the history of Afghanistan,' said Jean-Luc Lemahieu, the outgoing leader of the Afghanistan office of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, which produced the report.

***

"The U.S. military has allowed poppy cultivation to continue in order to appease farmers and government officials involved with the drug trade who might otherwise turn against the Afghan Karzai government in Kabul.

"Fueling both sides, in fact, the opium and heroin industry is both a product of the war and an essential source for continued conflict."

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production - Global Research

 

[Likkmee]

Mexico and Central America are out of control. Because these cartels ship their drugs to North America and Europe it would qualify. Afghanistan is a NATO mission and part of that mission is to stop the opium and heroin trade. The Mexican cartels are complete savages like ISIS.
Cruelty of El Chapo's Sinaloa cartel knows no bounds: Beheadings by chainsaw, body parts strewn in the streets

Perhaps all merikkanz should be drug tested for non-prescribed things from the Pharmaafia and jailed for several months.Supply and demand man. No demand-no problem.
Begin with the 535 on capital Hell and follow the shit down stream

 

[Bush92]

....the US military cannot change the culture of other countries without a total war destruction followed by reconstruction
A.the US military would be at a disadvantage just like the soldiers who died in Niger/Vietnam/etc
..1. they don't know who the good guys and bad guys are
..2. do not know the territory
..3. the military is trained to kill/destroy in ''mass quantities'' using ''mass quantity''--not police work
... if you send in spec ops, they might be outgunned/out manned

What if it were spread among the NATO allies?

 

[Bush92]

Shoot all the druggies.

Some of them appear more than capable of shooting back?

"As Wikipedia notes:

"Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001.

"Indeed, a brand new report from the United Nations finds that opium production is at an all-time high.

"Common Dreams notes:

"The cultivation of opium poppy in Afghanistan—a nation under the military control of US and NATO forces for more than twelve years—has risen to an all-time high, according to the 2013 Afghanistan Opium Survey released Wednesday by the United Nations.

"According to the report, cultivation of poppy across the war-torn nation rose 36 per cent in 2013 and total opium production amounted to 5,500 tons, up by almost a half since 2012.

"'This has never been witnessed before in the history of Afghanistan,' said Jean-Luc Lemahieu, the outgoing leader of the Afghanistan office of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, which produced the report.

***

"The U.S. military has allowed poppy cultivation to continue in order to appease farmers and government officials involved with the drug trade who might otherwise turn against the Afghan Karzai government in Kabul.

"Fueling both sides, in fact, the opium and heroin industry is both a product of the war and an essential source for continued conflict."

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production - Global Research

So what do we do? The only other option I can think of (we spend billions on treatment and they relapse) is to go to the extreme. Stop free needle stations and methadone. Start executing addicts like they do on Muslim nations. Stop being pussified with them. These people are a nuisance. They are homeless and shit on the sidewalks of our cities. Eliminate them. Also, completely shut down our border. Is this an ethical viable option? It’s what other nations do. What path do we proceed down? We cannot tolerate this any longe. Treatment is a failure.

 

[Bush92]

Mexico and Central America are out of control. Because these cartels ship their drugs to North America and Europe it would qualify. Afghanistan is a NATO mission and part of that mission is to stop the opium and heroin trade. The Mexican cartels are complete savages like ISIS.
Cruelty of El Chapo's Sinaloa cartel knows no bounds: Beheadings by chainsaw, body parts strewn in the streets

The NA in NATO stands for the North Atlantic.
Last time I checked a world map, Mexico and points south are not.

What about Afghanistan?

 

[Darkwind]

Shoot all the druggies.

Some of them appear more than capable of shooting back?

"As Wikipedia notes:

"Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001.

"Indeed, a brand new report from the United Nations finds that opium production is at an all-time high.

"Common Dreams notes:

"The cultivation of opium poppy in Afghanistan—a nation under the military control of US and NATO forces for more than twelve years—has risen to an all-time high, according to the 2013 Afghanistan Opium Survey released Wednesday by the United Nations.

"According to the report, cultivation of poppy across the war-torn nation rose 36 per cent in 2013 and total opium production amounted to 5,500 tons, up by almost a half since 2012.

"'This has never been witnessed before in the history of Afghanistan,' said Jean-Luc Lemahieu, the outgoing leader of the Afghanistan office of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, which produced the report.

***

"The U.S. military has allowed poppy cultivation to continue in order to appease farmers and government officials involved with the drug trade who might otherwise turn against the Afghan Karzai government in Kabul.

"Fueling both sides, in fact, the opium and heroin industry is both a product of the war and an essential source for continued conflict."

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production - Global Research

So what do we do? The only other option I can think of (we spend billions on treatment and they relapse) is to go to the extreme. Stop free needle stations and methadone. Start executing addicts like they do on Muslim nations. Stop being pussified with them. These people are a nuisance. They are homeless and shit on the sidewalks of our cities. Eliminate them. Also, completely shut down our border. Is this an ethical viable option? It’s what other nations do. What path do we proceed down? We cannot tolerate this any longe. Treatment is a failure.

These people also have rights. Wow, I wouldn't have thought this from you. American citizens have rights to due process.

 

[eagle1462010]

NATO leaves the heavy lifting to America and always has..................Those in Europe really don't care about the carnage from drug cartels South of our border. If we were to go down there we would have the same problem we've had in these types of wars.............Not knowing who's friend or foe...............The people in these countries need to deal with the Cartels...........and many have done so over the last decade........forming militias and taking the fight to the cartels......If more people from those countries would stop running, and fight back............the numbers are completely against the cartels..............No way the cartels could win it.

 

[harmonica]

....the US military cannot change the culture of other countries without a total war destruction followed by reconstruction
A.the US military would be at a disadvantage just like the soldiers who died in Niger/Vietnam/etc
..1. they don't know who the good guys and bad guys are
..2. do not know the territory
..3. the military is trained to kill/destroy in ''mass quantities'' using ''mass quantity''--not police work
... if you send in spec ops, they might be outgunned/out manned

What if it were spread among the NATO allies?

...you would have a lot of the ''invaded'' country's people pissed off/against NATO--no matter if they are trying to help
..the US had MASSIVE Naval and air superiority in SVitenam
..the US had tanks/APCs vs very, very ,very few VC/NVietnam tanks/APCs [ until 1972 ]
the US still had trouble controlling the people/etc

...IMO, a ''military/ force could/would hurt some operations/etc--
but would it be worth the cost? what would be the net gain?