Should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

[Joy4Uall]

Homo's are mentally ill perverts that should be culled from society.

They are walking disease containers that infect people who are stupid enough to be around them or touch them. ....

He believes that gays should be "culled" (uh, killed), because the texts of his religion say to kill gays. The Bible also has similar hate-fueled wording towards gays, and Jesus has never corrected that - not in 2000 years of "watching over us, keeping us safe, loving us". It's all nonsense.

 

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Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

 

[Joy4Uall]

I just opened the can.

Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.

As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.

You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why.

1 John 4:20-21 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


Matthew Chapter 22

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
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As a matter of fact, looking at even the surface of the New Testament shows that not only does God not hate anyone, but Christians are commanded to love everyone. We're to love our neighbors, and as Jesus explained, everyone is our neighbor.

I actually just wasn't going to bother arguing with a militant atheist who makes threads specifically to bait Christians into wasting their time on you. You only do so because you're not confident on your own position regarding the creation of the universe and all therein.

No, the Bible/god/Jesus HATE gays, because they are consumed by hatred for those that are simply different than they are (Hindus, etc.) Can you condemn them for the worst of these verses?

1. 
   Genesis
   
   
   
2. "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
   What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24
   Gay Bible Stories: Noah's drunkenness (What did Ham do?)
   
   
   
3. This verse doesn't say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate "Sodomite" with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13
   
   
   
4. The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5
   
   
   
5. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there (See 19:4-5). 19:24-25
   Sodom's sin
   
   
   
6. "And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
   What did Sarah see that disturbed her so much? 21:9
   Possibly Gay Bible Stories #1 - Ishmael and Isaac: What did Sarah see?
   Jonathan Kirsch suggests in The Harlot by the Side of the Road that the "play" between Isaac and Ishmael may have been of a sexual nature, noting that the same word is used to describe the behaviour of Ishmael and Isaac as is used in 26:8 to describe Isaac's fondling of Rebekah.
   
   
   
7. Possibly gay Bible stories #2: There's something about Joseph 37-41
   
   
   
8. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto thy brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of masturbation, homosexuality, and birth control. 38:8-10
   
   
   Leviticus
   
   Strange fire before the Lord 10:1-2
9. 
   
   
10. Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
    Explicit verse #1: It is abomination
    
    
    
11. If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
    Explicit verse #2: Their blood shall be upon them
    
    Deuteronomy
    
    
12. "Every abomination ... the Lord ... hateth."
    Including homosexuality. (Leviticus 18:22) 12:31
    
    
    
13. Women are not to wear men's clothing and vice versa -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5
    
    
    
14. God says not to bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
    
    Judges
    
    
15. Gay Bible Stories, Part II: The Levite's Concubine 19:1-30
    Ruth
    
    Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Or so say the folks at WouldJesusDiscriminate.org) 1:14
16. 1 Samuel
    
    
    
17. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #3: Saul and David 16:21-22
    
    
    
18. Were David and Jonathan gay? 18:1-4, 19:2, 20:41
    Possibly Gay Bible Stories #4: David and Jonathan
    
    
    
19. The special relationship between Jonathan and David. 20:3-14
    
    
    
20. Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
    
    
    
21. Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33
    
    
    
22. Jonathan has a secret meeting with David in the forest. David will be king, he says, and he will be right beside him. "And they two made a covenant before the LORD." 23:16-18
    2 Samuel
    
    
    
    
23. David loved Jonathan more than women. (And he loved a lot of women!) 1:26
    
    
    
24. When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29
    1 Kings
    
    
    
    
25. "There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations...."
    God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24
    
    
    
26. Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12
    
    
    
27. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #5: Elijah stretched himself upon the child three times 17:17-22
    
    
    
28. Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
    2 Kings
    
    
    
    
29. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #6: Elisha and the dead boy 4:11-35
    
    
    
30. Were Jehu and Jehonadab gay? 10:15-17
    
    
    
31. Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
    
    Isaiah
    
    God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they didn't "do well, see judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge(?) the fatherless, and plead for the widow." (Not for homosexuality.) 1:10-17
32. 
    
    
33. "They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!"
    The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." 3:9
    Jeremiah
    
    
    
    
34. "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom."
    What was Sodom's sin? 23:14
    
    
    
    
35. If a man has a son who misbehaves by committing abomination (Lev 18:22 type or otherwise) then that son must be killed. 18:10-13
    
    
    
36. Sodom's sin wasn't homosexuality. It was pride, greed, idleness, and refusing to help the poor. (Republicans are the new Sodomites.)
    Or maybe not. Here's the next verse:
    "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."
    Was the "abomination" that the Sodomites committed the the one mentioned in Leviticus 18:22?16:49-50
    
    
    
37. "Ye work abomination."
    According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics ), "toceba [abomination] probably refers to homosexual intercourse" in this verse. 33:26
    Daniel
    
    
    
    
38. "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
    Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He'll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37
    
    
    Matthew
    
    
    
39. What was the relationship between the centurion and his slave? Were they a gay couple? If so, Jesus didn't seem to mind. 8:5-13
    
    
    
40. "Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:14-15
    
    
    
41. "There are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb." Is Jesus talking about homosexuals here? 19:12
    
    
    Luke
    
    
    
    
42. "Whatsoever city ... receive you not ... it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:10-12
    
    
    
43. Increase your chance of being raptured: Pray to be gay! 17:34-35
    John
    
    
    
    
44. Was Jesus gay?
    "There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." 13:23-25
    
    "The disciple standing by, whom he loved" 19:26
    
    "The disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper" 21:20
    
    Acts
    
    
    
    
45. Was the eunuch that Philip baptized gay? 8:26-38
    Romans
    
    
    
    
46. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
    
    
    
47. Homosexuals (vv. 27-28) and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children.
    Some fundamentalists say that those "without natural affection" refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 1:31-32
    Explicit Verse #3: Worthy of death
    1 Corinthians
    
    
    
    
48. Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
    Explicit verse #4: Abusers of themselves with mankind
    
    
    1 Timothy
    
    
    
49. Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
    Explicit verse #5: For whom the law was made
    2 Timothy
    
    
    
    
50. In the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Some fundamentalists say that this refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 3:3
    
    
    2 Peter
    
    
    
51. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for living ungodly, filthy conversation, and unlawful deeds. 2:6-9
    
    
    Jude
    
    
    
52. God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
    A note about the "strang flesh" of Jude 7
    Revelation
    
    
    
53. Are the 144,000 men that are "not defiled by women" homosexuals? Are only gay men to be saved? 14:1-4
    
    
    
54. "The abominable"
    John isn’t talking about the snowman here. According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics ), it’s homosexuals. “The reference to ‘the abominable’ (ebdelygmenois) matches up with ‘dogs’ in [Rev] 22:15.”
    
    
    
55. "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city.
    "[T]he term 'dogs' in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes, without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics) 22:15

Homosexuality in the Bible

Thank you for proving another line in my signature.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe.

I want less government, more freedom.
I'm not a socialist.

 

[ding]

Stop linking homosexuality with pedophilia, there is no link.

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Keep in mind that we are dealing with people believe that (ethical non-believer) Gandhi deserves to end up in the SAME place as Hitler ("hell"). This is their level of fairness, their level of equitable treatment.

Who believes that? This is another example of you misrepresenting beliefs to further your political agenda of subordinating religion.

So SHOW us where it says that non-believers (Gandhi) get to "heaven", in the bible. Because THESE verses show that they don't - they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

First you have to show me someone who believes Gandhi is going to hell, ok?

 

[Joy4Uall]

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

Nothing has taken more people away from SCIENCE (i.e. magic is real, or "god did it", etc.) than religion. And the #1 person in the #1 belief system of all time is the leading culprit in world history - Jesus (#1 Christian.)

 

[Sunni Man]

they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

The real Joy4Uall is finally exposing himself. ...

Hey, where is all that love for people you been talking about?? ... .. ..

 

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Yeah, and revealed yourself as a militant atheist who has likely never bothered to glance into the Bible, let alone read it.

As a matter of fact, most militant Atheists are only that way because they like to think there's no higher power to judge them, whether there actually is or not.

You didn't counter the claims I made - and I know why.

1 John 4:20-21 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


Matthew Chapter 22

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
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As a matter of fact, looking at even the surface of the New Testament shows that not only does God not hate anyone, but Christians are commanded to love everyone. We're to love our neighbors, and as Jesus explained, everyone is our neighbor.

I actually just wasn't going to bother arguing with a militant atheist who makes threads specifically to bait Christians into wasting their time on you. You only do so because you're not confident on your own position regarding the creation of the universe and all therein.

No, the Bible/god/Jesus HATE gays, because they are consumed by hatred for those that are simply different than they are (Hindus, etc.) Can you condemn them for the worst of these verses?

1. 
   Genesis
   
   
   
2. "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
   What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24
   Gay Bible Stories: Noah's drunkenness (What did Ham do?)
   
   
   
3. This verse doesn't say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate "Sodomite" with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13
   
   
   
4. The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5
   
   
   
5. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there (See 19:4-5). 19:24-25
   Sodom's sin
   
   
   
6. "And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
   What did Sarah see that disturbed her so much? 21:9
   Possibly Gay Bible Stories #1 - Ishmael and Isaac: What did Sarah see?
   Jonathan Kirsch suggests in The Harlot by the Side of the Road that the "play" between Isaac and Ishmael may have been of a sexual nature, noting that the same word is used to describe the behaviour of Ishmael and Isaac as is used in 26:8 to describe Isaac's fondling of Rebekah.
   
   
   
7. Possibly gay Bible stories #2: There's something about Joseph 37-41
   
   
   
8. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto thy brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of masturbation, homosexuality, and birth control. 38:8-10
   
   
   Leviticus
   
   Strange fire before the Lord 10:1-2
9. 
   
   
10. Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
    Explicit verse #1: It is abomination
    
    
    
11. If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
    Explicit verse #2: Their blood shall be upon them
    
    Deuteronomy
    
    
12. "Every abomination ... the Lord ... hateth."
    Including homosexuality. (Leviticus 18:22) 12:31
    
    
    
13. Women are not to wear men's clothing and vice versa -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5
    
    
    
14. God says not to bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
    
    Judges
    
    
15. Gay Bible Stories, Part II: The Levite's Concubine 19:1-30
    Ruth
    
    Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Or so say the folks at WouldJesusDiscriminate.org) 1:14
16. 1 Samuel
    
    
    
17. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #3: Saul and David 16:21-22
    
    
    
18. Were David and Jonathan gay? 18:1-4, 19:2, 20:41
    Possibly Gay Bible Stories #4: David and Jonathan
    
    
    
19. The special relationship between Jonathan and David. 20:3-14
    
    
    
20. Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
    
    
    
21. Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33
    
    
    
22. Jonathan has a secret meeting with David in the forest. David will be king, he says, and he will be right beside him. "And they two made a covenant before the LORD." 23:16-18
    2 Samuel
    
    
    
    
23. David loved Jonathan more than women. (And he loved a lot of women!) 1:26
    
    
    
24. When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29
    1 Kings
    
    
    
    
25. "There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations...."
    God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24
    
    
    
26. Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12
    
    
    
27. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #5: Elijah stretched himself upon the child three times 17:17-22
    
    
    
28. Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
    2 Kings
    
    
    
    
29. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #6: Elisha and the dead boy 4:11-35
    
    
    
30. Were Jehu and Jehonadab gay? 10:15-17
    
    
    
31. Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
    
    Isaiah
    
    God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they didn't "do well, see judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge(?) the fatherless, and plead for the widow." (Not for homosexuality.) 1:10-17
32. 
    
    
33. "They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!"
    The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." 3:9
    Jeremiah
    
    
    
    
34. "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom."
    What was Sodom's sin? 23:14
    
    
    
    
35. If a man has a son who misbehaves by committing abomination (Lev 18:22 type or otherwise) then that son must be killed. 18:10-13
    
    
    
36. Sodom's sin wasn't homosexuality. It was pride, greed, idleness, and refusing to help the poor. (Republicans are the new Sodomites.)
    Or maybe not. Here's the next verse:
    "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."
    Was the "abomination" that the Sodomites committed the the one mentioned in Leviticus 18:22?16:49-50
    
    
    
37. "Ye work abomination."
    According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics ), "toceba [abomination] probably refers to homosexual intercourse" in this verse. 33:26
    Daniel
    
    
    
    
38. "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
    Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He'll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37
    
    
    Matthew
    
    
    
39. What was the relationship between the centurion and his slave? Were they a gay couple? If so, Jesus didn't seem to mind. 8:5-13
    
    
    
40. "Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:14-15
    
    
    
41. "There are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb." Is Jesus talking about homosexuals here? 19:12
    
    
    Luke
    
    
    
    
42. "Whatsoever city ... receive you not ... it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:10-12
    
    
    
43. Increase your chance of being raptured: Pray to be gay! 17:34-35
    John
    
    
    
    
44. Was Jesus gay?
    "There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." 13:23-25
    
    "The disciple standing by, whom he loved" 19:26
    
    "The disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper" 21:20
    
    Acts
    
    
    
    
45. Was the eunuch that Philip baptized gay? 8:26-38
    Romans
    
    
    
    
46. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
    
    
    
47. Homosexuals (vv. 27-28) and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children.
    Some fundamentalists say that those "without natural affection" refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 1:31-32
    Explicit Verse #3: Worthy of death
    1 Corinthians
    
    
    
    
48. Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
    Explicit verse #4: Abusers of themselves with mankind
    
    
    1 Timothy
    
    
    
49. Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
    Explicit verse #5: For whom the law was made
    2 Timothy
    
    
    
    
50. In the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Some fundamentalists say that this refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 3:3
    
    
    2 Peter
    
    
    
51. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for living ungodly, filthy conversation, and unlawful deeds. 2:6-9
    
    
    Jude
    
    
    
52. God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
    A note about the "strang flesh" of Jude 7
    Revelation
    
    
    
53. Are the 144,000 men that are "not defiled by women" homosexuals? Are only gay men to be saved? 14:1-4
    
    
    
54. "The abominable"
    John isn’t talking about the snowman here. According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics ), it’s homosexuals. “The reference to ‘the abominable’ (ebdelygmenois) matches up with ‘dogs’ in [Rev] 22:15.”
    
    
    
55. "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city.
    "[T]he term 'dogs' in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes, without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics) 22:15

Homosexuality in the Bible

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Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe.

I want less government, more freedom.
I'm not a socialist.

Thank you for proving another line in my signature. At this rate you will be the first person to completely prove my signature line.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe

 

[Joy4Uall]

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Keep in mind that we are dealing with people believe that (ethical non-believer) Gandhi deserves to end up in the SAME place as Hitler ("hell"). This is their level of fairness, their level of equitable treatment.

Who believes that? This is another example of you misrepresenting beliefs to further your political agenda of subordinating religion.

So SHOW us where it says that non-believers (Gandhi) get to "heaven", in the bible. Because THESE verses show that they don't - they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

First you have to show me someone who believes Gandhi is going to hell, ok?

Show me where in the Bible it says non-believers go to heaven....if you can't, then any Christian who believes Gandhi is going to heaven is delusional, and just making up their religion - because the religion is so evil as written that they can't stand to accept it as written....but it's from the all-knowing creator of the entire universe so obviously that's incredibly inconsistent.

 

[Joy4Uall]

they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

The real Joy4Uall is finally exposing himself. ...

Hey, where is all that love for people you been talking about?? ... .. ..

I don't love Hitler or Jesus....but pretty much everybody else.

 

[ding]

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

Nothing has taken more people away from SCIENCE (i.e. magic is real, or "god did it", etc.) than religion. And the #1 person in the #1 belief system of all time is the leading culprit in world history - Jesus (#1 Christian.)

Thank you for proving another line in my signature. I am going to call you butter because you are on a roll.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe

 

[Joy4Uall]

they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

The real Joy4Uall is finally exposing himself. ...

Hey, where is all that love for people you been talking about?? ... .. ..

You can't show verses in the Qur'an that let non-believers, even very ethical ones, into heaven, can you? If not, then realize that your god is a god of hatred - period.

 

[ding]

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Keep in mind that we are dealing with people believe that (ethical non-believer) Gandhi deserves to end up in the SAME place as Hitler ("hell"). This is their level of fairness, their level of equitable treatment.

Who believes that? This is another example of you misrepresenting beliefs to further your political agenda of subordinating religion.

So SHOW us where it says that non-believers (Gandhi) get to "heaven", in the bible. Because THESE verses show that they don't - they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

First you have to show me someone who believes Gandhi is going to hell, ok?

Show me where in the Bible it says non-believers go to heaven....if you can't, then any Christian who believes Gandhi is going to heaven is delusional, and just making up their religion - because the religion is so evil as written that they can't stand to accept it as written....but it's from the all-knowing creator of the entire universe so obviously that's incredibly inconsistent.

See post #424.

 

[ding]

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

Nothing has taken more people away from SCIENCE (i.e. magic is real, or "god did it", etc.) than religion. And the #1 person in the #1 belief system of all time is the leading culprit in world history - Jesus (#1 Christian.)

The father of modern genetics is a priest.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

Can you find the moral courage to condemn Allah for saying in the Islamic texts to discriminate against gays?

 

[Syriusly]

The question was homosexuals. And one look at a homosexual parade gives you a good idea what they stand for. No one held a gun to their head and made them do this. Homosexuals simply cannot control their depravity.

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Priceless...rail against gays and show pictures of kinky straights...

My god, just LOOK at these sick kinky homos in action!!! Jesus, save us from this homo depravity!!

That movie, "50 Shades of Gay" I presume it was called, shows that gays should not be allowed to adopt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only progressives watched 50 Shades of Grey, they are the only ones perverted enough as homosexuals to enjoy it. Progressives should also be banned from adopting children.

Once again a Conservative shows how in the Conservative world, only those who comply with Conservative doctrine are allowed- no contrary thinking is permitted.

Safety of children is the issue. Progressives have shown they are a direct threat to civilized norms.
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Once again a Conservative shows how in the Conservative world, only those who comply with Conservative doctrine are allowed- no contrary thinking is permitted.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Sadly, because religion sucks the morality right out of people, he CAN justify it because he can justify Mohammad raping 9 year-old Aisha.

That's not true. Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

I think you're lying - can you condemn Allah for not knowing that raping a 9-year-old causes mental and physical damage to the child, so he'd of course have told his hand-picked #1 role model of all time (Mohammad) to stop raping the kid, so as to not serve as a terrible role model for future generations?

I can live with you thinking I am lying. It's not so bad.

By any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

Nothing has taken more people away from SCIENCE (i.e. magic is real, or "god did it", etc.) than religion. And the #1 person in the #1 belief system of all time is the leading culprit in world history - Jesus (#1 Christian.)

The father of modern genetics is a priest.

Excellent. Is he intellectually-consistent enough to remove the talking snake from his religious texts? Or is he less intellectually-consistent than me?

 

[Syriusly]

Yes, the NT was needed because the OT got so much stuff wrong. Also, the OT didn't instill as much fear into people, since "Sheol" was not scary enough, so Revelation ("hell" in the NT) was invented to instill more fear in people to get them to pony up the dough.

Showing more of your "live in peace with everyone" bullshit I see.

Obviously I want to live in peace with everyone, because I just said this prayer....can you say it as well, Weatherman2020?
"God/Jesus, it would help world peace if you would come down and say that you're going to allow ethical people of ALL religions into heaven and avoid hell - please do that. Thanks".

Are you into peace enough to say that, Weatherman2020?

Typical delusional hatemonger. Has no clue to any theology other than his own hate for anything good.

I believe in you, Weatherman - I believe that someday you'll not reject saying this loving prayer like you did, but rather will proudly say it like we do...you'll choose love over hate:
"God/Jesus, it would help world peace if you would come down and say that you're going to allow ethical people of ALL religions into heaven and avoid hell - please do that. Thanks".

Typical leftist hatemonger who hates anything good in the world.

Typical right wing hatemonger who hates anything good in the world- that he doesn't approve of.

 

[Sunni Man]

Ding, you have the best and most informative signature line on the entire USMB forum.

I wish everyone would read it. ....

 

[Syriusly]

Homo's and pedophile's are just two sides of the same pervert coin. ...

I guess if you like to justify child rape you sick fck.

Keep in mind that we are dealing with people believe that (ethical non-believer) Gandhi deserves to end up in the SAME place as Hitler ("hell"). This is their level of fairness, their level of equitable treatment.

Who believes that? This is another example of you misrepresenting beliefs to further your political agenda of subordinating religion.

So SHOW us where it says that non-believers (Gandhi) get to "heaven", in the bible. Because THESE verses show that they don't - they are hell-bound because of the sheer hatred for non-believers that Jesus harbors in his blackened heart.

John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

First you have to show me someone who believes Gandhi is going to hell, ok?

Really? Most Evangelicals I know believe anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their personal savior is going to hell.
Is Gandhi really in hell?

 

[Sunni Man]

Can you find the moral courage to condemn Allah for saying in the Islamic texts to discriminate against gays?

Why would I do that? ...

Perverted sodomites aren't moral or normal. ....