CDZ Should Homosexual People Be Allowed To Legally Adopt Children?

[paddymurphy]

Absolutely not! I've read no findings that gay couples' kids grow up well adjusted. Just the opposite. These kids are not isolated from the ration they ultimately get from peers once they learn their background. Nor do these kids have traditional (in the sense) home environment with parents who parent differently because of what they are, homosexuals. The parents' influence is so powerful and kids are undoubtedly affected.

Here, go to town: Same-sex marriage and children's well-being: Research roundup - Journalist's Resource

Some highlights: "We conclude that there is a clear consensus in the social science literature indicating that American children living within same-sex parent households fare just as well as those children residing within different-sex parent households over a wide array of well-being measures: academic performance, cognitive development, social development, psychological health, early sexual activity, and substance abuse. Our assessment of the literature is based on credible and methodologically sound studies that compare well-being outcomes of children residing within same-sex and different-sex parent families. Differences that exist in child well-being are largely due to socioeconomic circumstances and family stability.” -

"Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. "

“The 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts… Within the lesbian family sample, no Child Behavior Checklist differences were found among adolescent offspring who were conceived by known, as-yet-unknown, and permanently unknown donors or between offspring whose mothers were still together and offspring whose mothers had separated… Adolescents who have been reared in lesbian-mother families since birth demonstrate healthy psychological adjustment.”

“Children of same-sex couples are as likely to make normal progress through school as the children of most other family structures… the advantage of heterosexual married couples is mostly due to their higher socioeconomic status. Children of all family types (including children of same-sex couples) are far more likely to make normal progress through school than are children living in group quarters (such as orphanages and shelters).”

Now you have read such studies.

Complete and utter bullshit! Love the way with the Internet one can dig up "studies" to validate whatever hogwash suits them. Valid research is something entirely different. Liars can figure and figures can lie. If you want to believe these lies, knock yourself out. As for me, I prefer to rely on scientifically based research rather than random case studies involving tiny ill-chosen samples.

So, you read the studies. You know that there is no valid research there. You know the sample size and the scientific validity of each study? Bull. Produce something that rebuts this.

 

[quorthon]

What? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

All you need to understand is that every child deserves mom and dad. Allowing gays and lesbians to adopt children is barbarity. That picture you commented was about genders but not about fertility. If the couple are fertile or not, anyway they're welcome to adopt children.

 

[Meathead]

If society embraces homosexuality and the people are suitable, then why not? If there is any stigma, then absolutely not. The welfare of the child trumps any other consideration.

 

[playtime]

If society embraces homosexuality and the people are suitable, then why not? If there is any stigma, then absolutely not. The welfare of the child trumps any other consideration.

The only way to overcome & dispel 'stigma' is by example proving (through time) the opposite of a perceived belief.

 

[Meathead]

If society embraces homosexuality and the people are suitable, then why not? If there is any stigma, then absolutely not. The welfare of the child trumps any other consideration.

The only way to overcome & dispel 'stigma' is by example proving (through time) the opposite of a perceived belief.

Children are not fodder for social experiments.

 

[playtime]

If society embraces homosexuality and the people are suitable, then why not? If there is any stigma, then absolutely not. The welfare of the child trumps any other consideration.

The only way to overcome & dispel 'stigma' is by example proving (through time) the opposite of a perceived belief.

Children are not fodder for social experiments.

I never said they were. But to leave children in 'the system' because it's 'safer' is just as harmful if not more... & biological children of homogays were most likely looked at from the standpoint of pediatricians & school teachers (as stated in the research I linked from the APA) & found to be just as well adjusted, thus setting the environment to include homosexuals in the adoptive process of these kids. There was a time when a single (potential) parent household wasn't a consideration either. That has proven to be an absurd notion as well, & probably from the same sources (pediatricians, school teachers)

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The question should be whether homo couples be allowed to adopt children. The answer is an emphatic 'no'. Kids need a mother and a father, not one or two of either. Homos have been parents as long as humans have existed but they've been parents with the opposite gender spouses they create children with, thereby providing the necessary mom/dad circumstance kids need.
But legal homo marriage opens the door to equal opportunity for homo couples to adopt and that is bad for kids and bad for society.

 

[playtime]

The question should be whether homo couples be allowed to adopt children. The answer is an emphatic 'no'. Kids need a mother and a father, not one or two of either. Homos have been parents as long as humans have existed but they've been parents with the opposite gender spouses they create children with, thereby providing the necessary mom/dad circumstance kids need.
But legal homo marriage opens the door to equal opportunity for homo couples to adopt and that is bad for kids and bad for society.

That hasn't been the case exclusively for many years now. The days of having a 'beard' being the norm has waned considerably for many years now.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The question should be whether homo couples be allowed to adopt children. The answer is an emphatic 'no'. Kids need a mother and a father, not one or two of either. Homos have been parents as long as humans have existed but they've been parents with the opposite gender spouses they create children with, thereby providing the necessary mom/dad circumstance kids need.
But legal homo marriage opens the door to equal opportunity for homo couples to adopt and that is bad for kids and bad for society.

That hasn't been the case exclusively for many years now. The days of having a 'beard' being the norm has waned considerably for many years now.

It hasn't been the case for years exactly coincides with the years of the increase in social demise. Duh.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Absolutely not! I've read no findings that gay couples' kids grow up well adjusted. Just the opposite. These kids are not isolated from the ration they ultimately get from peers once they learn their background. Nor do these kids have traditional (in the sense) home environment with parents who parent differently because of what they are, homosexuals. The parents' influence is so powerful and kids are undoubtedly affected.

Here, go to town: Same-sex marriage and children's well-being: Research roundup - Journalist's Resource

Some highlights: "We conclude that there is a clear consensus in the social science literature indicating that American children living within same-sex parent households fare just as well as those children residing within different-sex parent households over a wide array of well-being measures: academic performance, cognitive development, social development, psychological health, early sexual activity, and substance abuse. Our assessment of the literature is based on credible and methodologically sound studies that compare well-being outcomes of children residing within same-sex and different-sex parent families. Differences that exist in child well-being are largely due to socioeconomic circumstances and family stability.” -

"Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. "

“The 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts… Within the lesbian family sample, no Child Behavior Checklist differences were found among adolescent offspring who were conceived by known, as-yet-unknown, and permanently unknown donors or between offspring whose mothers were still together and offspring whose mothers had separated… Adolescents who have been reared in lesbian-mother families since birth demonstrate healthy psychological adjustment.”

“Children of same-sex couples are as likely to make normal progress through school as the children of most other family structures… the advantage of heterosexual married couples is mostly due to their higher socioeconomic status. Children of all family types (including children of same-sex couples) are far more likely to make normal progress through school than are children living in group quarters (such as orphanages and shelters).”

Now you have read such studies.

Complete and utter bullshit! Love the way with the Internet one can dig up "studies" to validate whatever hogwash suits them. Valid research is something entirely different. Liars can figure and figures can lie. If you want to believe these lies, knock yourself out. As for me, I prefer to rely on scientifically based research rather than random case studies involving tiny ill-chosen samples.

Funny thing how people who are opposed to adoption by gays blather on about studies that show that same sex parenting is harmful but rarely produce anything, and if they do, it is something that was put out by some anti gay group that has been debunked. So, what do you have?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

There MUST be a biological balance and harmony. If homosexuals can produce a child then it is considered natural. As harsh as it may sound this is the reality. Man + Woman = child. Mother and father provide different and unique love and are naturally able to produce a child by their natural harmony with the bio system in place.

Anybody can "produce" children but that has nothing to do with their suitability as a parent. In fact, far to many turn out to be lousy parents. At the same time, there are many people, including heterosexuals, who cannot produce a child on their own for various reasons but can be fine parents.

Mississippi is the only state in the union now that does not allow same sex couples to adopt and there is a fight going on there that they are sure to loose. You might want to check this thread out:

HRC Condemns Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant’s Statement of Support for LGBT Adoption Ban | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum Now this......


In my experience, there are two main reasons why anyone opposes adoption by gay and lesbian people with some degree of overlap. One is a misguided understanding of what their religion requires and prohibits. The other, which has a number of variations on the theme, is a misguided and ignorant view of gay people’s fitness and effectiveness as parents, as well as a distorted understanding of what children need.

In addition, those are, for the most part, the same people who oppose same sex marriage, while ignoring the fact that there are numerous children already in the care of gay people through means other than agency adoption, who would benefit by their parent’s ability to marry. Following is an op-ed that I penned a while back:

Marriage Equality…The Right Thing to do For The Children by Progressive Patriot 9.26.13

(Note: As this was written prior to Obergefell, there are several references to same sex marriage which of course is no longer a legal issue. However, it is the same people who opposed same sex marriage that now continue to oppose adoption by same sex couples, and both harm children. Therefore, this piece, while a little dated is still relevant)

Many opponents of same sex marriage and adoption by gay people assert that” children have a fundamental right to a mother and a father” and” that when gay couples adopt or use a surrogate, they are denying that child that fundamental right” However, public policy in New Jersey states that children have a right to a stable, nurturing and permanent home and it is well established that that goal can be realized in a variety of family structures. The NJ Department of Families and Children-the public agency charged with the responsibility of finding adoptive homes for children –states, in part, on their web site that no one will be denied the opportunity to adopt based on sexual orientation. In fact, the Department’s Division of Child Protection and Permanency (formerly DYFS) has been placing children for adoption with gay and lesbian people- those who are single and those who are in a relationship- for decades with good outcomes for the children. New Jersey was the first state-in 1997-to allow joint adoption by same sex couples, before they were able to marry.

And there are many, many more children who still need homes while there is a dearth of people willing and able to adopt them. I know this because I worked in the foster care and adoption field in New Jersey for 26 years. I might add that children who are placed for adoption are already in a situation where they have neither a mother nor a father available to them. To imply that that a child would better off languishing in the foster care system as a ward of the state, than to be adopted into a nontraditional family is beyond absurd.

Furthermore, the vast majority of child psychologists will tell you that there are far more important factors that impact a child’s development than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents. No doubt that one could dredge up research studies that claim to prove that gay parenting is harmful. However, well established organizations like the American Psychological Association take the position that gay and lesbian parents are just as capable of rearing emotionally healthy children as anyone else.

Yet even if family composition was, as some purport, a critical factor in children’s development, the fact is that there are and will always be children in non-traditional living situations where they do not have a mother and a father. Like it or not, it is also a fact that gay and lesbian people have children, be it from a prior relationship, adoption, or surrogacy. Denying gay and lesbians the opportunity to marry does nothing to ensure that any significantly greater number of children will have a home with a mother and a father. Of course, some gay and lesbian couples will employ various means to have children, but those are children who would not have otherwise been born. The most significant effect by far will be to deny numerous children the legal rights, protections, status and stability that comes with having married parents.

And, to deny gays the ability to adopt will only ensure that more children will have neither a mother nor a father. Everyone is entitled to their moral views and religious beliefs but it is disingenuous and outright shameful to use children as pawns in the lost fight against equality by bloviating about how they would be harmed by it. While single people can be great parents, the benefits to children of allowing two people who are in a committed relationship to be married are obvious for anyone willing to look at the issue objectively. Those who truly care about children should be willing to open all of the possible pathways for them to be adopted and to have married parents when possible. To oppose adoption by same sex couples while claiming to care about children is the height of hypocrisy

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Dr. Judith Reisman quite accurately pointed out that the homosexual agenda was ALWAYS targeted towards children.
Emphatically, NO!, homosexual access to children is an absolutely abominable crime against all that is human.

Why would anyone sacrfice children to the alter of such demons?
Except of course the planned parenthood types... while they would just prefer them dead, harvested, and discarded... their next choice is to put children into the hands of another aberration?

Interesting though, the same who would argue that children should be dead... will also argue that homosexuals are some sort of ideal parents?
Is there any doubt to how depraved these sorts are?
Anyone else notice that?

Reisman is a crazy person who is also obsessed with pornography and thought that gays were responsible for the Nazis and the Holocaust. Do you really want to be associated with her ? You do know that there are currently about 2 million kids in the care of gay people in the US?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Absolutely not! I've read no findings that gay couples' kids grow up well adjusted. Just the opposite. These kids are not isolated from the ration they ultimately get from peers once they learn their background. Nor do these kids have traditional (in the sense) home environment with parents who parent differently because of what they are, homosexuals. The parents' influence is so powerful and kids are undoubtedly affected.

Here, go to town: Same-sex marriage and children's well-being: Research roundup - Journalist's Resource

Some highlights: "We conclude that there is a clear consensus in the social science literature indicating that American children living within same-sex parent households fare just as well as those children residing within different-sex parent households over a wide array of well-being measures: academic performance, cognitive development, social development, psychological health, early sexual activity, and substance abuse. Our assessment of the literature is based on credible and methodologically sound studies that compare well-being outcomes of children residing within same-sex and different-sex parent families. Differences that exist in child well-being are largely due to socioeconomic circumstances and family stability.” -

"Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. "

“The 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts… Within the lesbian family sample, no Child Behavior Checklist differences were found among adolescent offspring who were conceived by known, as-yet-unknown, and permanently unknown donors or between offspring whose mothers were still together and offspring whose mothers had separated… Adolescents who have been reared in lesbian-mother families since birth demonstrate healthy psychological adjustment.”

“Children of same-sex couples are as likely to make normal progress through school as the children of most other family structures… the advantage of heterosexual married couples is mostly due to their higher socioeconomic status. Children of all family types (including children of same-sex couples) are far more likely to make normal progress through school than are children living in group quarters (such as orphanages and shelters).”

Now you have read such studies.

Complete and utter bullshit! Love the way with the Internet one can dig up "studies" to validate whatever hogwash suits them. Valid research is something entirely different. Liars can figure and figures can lie. If you want to believe these lies, knock yourself out. As for me, I prefer to rely on scientifically based research rather than random case studies involving tiny ill-chosen samples.

You don't understand.

It's incumbent upon you to justify denying gay Americans their rights.

regardless of my personal opinion on this matter, where is there a right written in the constitution that covers adoption.

 

[WorldWatcher]

regardless of my personal opinion on this matter, where is there a right written in the constitution that covers adoption.

So are you of the opinion that rights must be enumerated in the constitution to be held by the people?


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[TheProgressivePatriot]

Absolutely not! I've read no findings that gay couples' kids grow up well adjusted. Just the opposite. These kids are not isolated from the ration they ultimately get from peers once they learn their background. Nor do these kids have traditional (in the sense) home environment with parents who parent differently because of what they are, homosexuals. The parents' influence is so powerful and kids are undoubtedly affected.

Here, go to town: Same-sex marriage and children's well-being: Research roundup - Journalist's Resource

Some highlights: "We conclude that there is a clear consensus in the social science literature indicating that American children living within same-sex parent households fare just as well as those children residing within different-sex parent households over a wide array of well-being measures: academic performance, cognitive development, social development, psychological health, early sexual activity, and substance abuse. Our assessment of the literature is based on credible and methodologically sound studies that compare well-being outcomes of children residing within same-sex and different-sex parent families. Differences that exist in child well-being are largely due to socioeconomic circumstances and family stability.” -

"Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. "

“The 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts… Within the lesbian family sample, no Child Behavior Checklist differences were found among adolescent offspring who were conceived by known, as-yet-unknown, and permanently unknown donors or between offspring whose mothers were still together and offspring whose mothers had separated… Adolescents who have been reared in lesbian-mother families since birth demonstrate healthy psychological adjustment.”

“Children of same-sex couples are as likely to make normal progress through school as the children of most other family structures… the advantage of heterosexual married couples is mostly due to their higher socioeconomic status. Children of all family types (including children of same-sex couples) are far more likely to make normal progress through school than are children living in group quarters (such as orphanages and shelters).”

Now you have read such studies.

Complete and utter bullshit! Love the way with the Internet one can dig up "studies" to validate whatever hogwash suits them. Valid research is something entirely different. Liars can figure and figures can lie. If you want to believe these lies, knock yourself out. As for me, I prefer to rely on scientifically based research rather than random case studies involving tiny ill-chosen samples.

You don't understand.

It's incumbent upon you to justify denying gay Americans their rights.

regardless of my personal opinion on this matter, where is there a right written in the constitution that covers adoption.

Of course there is no " right to adopt" in the constitution. That is not how it works. There is no right to marriage in the constitution either. ( Although the right to marriage is part of constitutional law as the result of case law precedents- and with Obergefell, same sex marriage is enshrined in case law as well) However, there is something about equal protection under the law. That means-whether we are talking about marriage, adoption or anything else-that when one group is treated in a certain manner- and a second group treated differently - the state must come up with a damned good reason to do so. They must articulate, at minimum, a rational basis for doing so, a may have to state a compelling government interest -if the issue rises to the level of a violation of a right under the bill of rights-or the 14th amendment. Unless they can, it is discrimination and will not be allowed. No state was able to justify denying marriage to gay people and they will not be able to justify not allowing gays to adopt either.

See how things work now? Happy to have been of help. Have a good evening.

 

[playtime]

Absolutely not! I've read no findings that gay couples' kids grow up well adjusted. Just the opposite. These kids are not isolated from the ration they ultimately get from peers once they learn their background. Nor do these kids have traditional (in the sense) home environment with parents who parent differently because of what they are, homosexuals. The parents' influence is so powerful and kids are undoubtedly affected.

Here, go to town: Same-sex marriage and children's well-being: Research roundup - Journalist's Resource

Some highlights: "We conclude that there is a clear consensus in the social science literature indicating that American children living within same-sex parent households fare just as well as those children residing within different-sex parent households over a wide array of well-being measures: academic performance, cognitive development, social development, psychological health, early sexual activity, and substance abuse. Our assessment of the literature is based on credible and methodologically sound studies that compare well-being outcomes of children residing within same-sex and different-sex parent families. Differences that exist in child well-being are largely due to socioeconomic circumstances and family stability.” -

"Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. "

“The 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts… Within the lesbian family sample, no Child Behavior Checklist differences were found among adolescent offspring who were conceived by known, as-yet-unknown, and permanently unknown donors or between offspring whose mothers were still together and offspring whose mothers had separated… Adolescents who have been reared in lesbian-mother families since birth demonstrate healthy psychological adjustment.”

“Children of same-sex couples are as likely to make normal progress through school as the children of most other family structures… the advantage of heterosexual married couples is mostly due to their higher socioeconomic status. Children of all family types (including children of same-sex couples) are far more likely to make normal progress through school than are children living in group quarters (such as orphanages and shelters).”

Now you have read such studies.

Complete and utter bullshit! Love the way with the Internet one can dig up "studies" to validate whatever hogwash suits them. Valid research is something entirely different. Liars can figure and figures can lie. If you want to believe these lies, knock yourself out. As for me, I prefer to rely on scientifically based research rather than random case studies involving tiny ill-chosen samples.

You don't understand.

It's incumbent upon you to justify denying gay Americans their rights.

regardless of my personal opinion on this matter, where is there a right written in the constitution that covers adoption.

The same place where it's written marriage is granted & legal only between a man & woman?

 

[Syriusly]

There MUST be a biological balance and harmony. If homosexuals can produce a child then it is considered natural. As harsh as it may sound this is the reality. Man + Woman = child. Mother and father provide different and unique love and are naturally able to produce a child by their natural harmony with the bio system in place.

Well as harsh as it may sound- maybe we should do something so that the mother and father of children don't abandon them? Or that we find homes for all of them- before worrying about the gay people who have offered to take care of children abandoned by their own parents?

Children's Action Network : A Project of the Tides Center
Every year, more than 100,000 children in foster care are available for adoption. Many spend more than five years waiting for permanent, loving homes. Between 2000 and 2011, nearly 40,000 children were joined together with their forever families as part of National Adoption Day activities.


Who are these waiting children?

• There are an estimated 408,425 children in foster care in the United States, and more than 100,000 of them are waiting to be adopted.
• Through no fault of their own, these children enter foster care as a result of abuse, neglect and/or abandonment.
• The average child waits for an adoptive family for more than three years.
• 11 percent spend 5 years or more waiting for a family (43,083 children).
• The average age of children waiting for an adoptive family is 8.
• • Nearly 30,000 children reach the age of 18 without ever finding a forever family

And what happens to those 30,000 children aged out of the system?

Pretty much we dump them on the street without a family. Most states do little to support children who age out of the system without an adoptive family to help them with emotional and financial support.

So maybe before figuring out how to restrict the number of adoptive parents in the United States to exclude homosexuals- maybe the first priority should be to actually find ENOUGH adoptive parents for kids who need a family?

I mean if this is supposed to be about the kids.

 

[Syriusly]

Dr. Judith Reisman quite accurately pointed out that the homosexual agenda was ALWAYS targeted towards children.
Emphatically, NO!, homosexual access to children is an absolutely abominable crime against all that is human.

Why would anyone sacrfice children to the alter of such demons?
Except of course the planned parenthood types... while they would just prefer them dead, harvested, and discarded... their next choice is to put children into the hands of another aberration?

Interesting though, the same who would argue that children should be dead... will also argue that homosexuals are some sort of ideal parents?
Is there any doubt to how depraved these sorts are?
Anyone else notice that?

Nearly 30,000 children a year- abandoned by their own mother and father- age out of the system and are kicked out of the care of the State every year.

Now that is sacrificing children.

That is the real agenda of the homophobes like Dr. Judith Reissman- obviously.

 

[Syriusly]

The question should be whether homo couples be allowed to adopt children. The answer is an emphatic 'no'. Kids need a mother and a father, not one or two of either. Homos have been parents as long as humans have existed but they've been parents with the opposite gender spouses they create children with, thereby providing the necessary mom/dad circumstance kids need.
But legal homo marriage opens the door to equal opportunity for homo couples to adopt and that is bad for kids and bad for society.

Kids need parents.

You obviously don't want the kids abandoned by their mother and father to have parents- what other excuse would you have for abandoning children in the system who need parents- that no heterosexuals want to adopt?

Gay Americans were adopting children abandoned by their mother and father long before 'gay marriage' was legal- the difference now is a gay couple can adopt- rather than a gay individual.

 

[Syriusly]

If society embraces homosexuality and the people are suitable, then why not? If there is any stigma, then absolutely not. The welfare of the child trumps any other consideration.

Then you should endorse solutions which result in children awaiting adoption getting adopted.

But instead you only worry about homosexuals adopting them.