Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

[danielpalos]

there is no invasion. a multitude is not an invasion.

A multitude is one thing. A multitude illegally, immorally bursting across your border, into your nation is another.

we have illegal wars on drugs and terror that are causing hardships in some countries and creating refugees.

The right wing has no credibility; Government is the solution not Capitalists or capitalism.

 

[protectionist]

.. we should be using our Intel/CIA to assess the situations that exist in their home countries, and work to end those situations by crushing their bad governments if they are responsible for the exodus of their people's in this way.

That has already been stated numerous times in a thread of this size, but thank you anyway for keeping that thought alive.

 

[beagle9]

There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.

No one forced them out. They left by choice.

It is my prayer that their choice was not one of if they stayed, firing squad. If they left, no firing squad.

Who really knows right ? And those firing squads can come in many different forms be it direct, indirect, economic, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, religious persecution, who knows really ?

Who gives a shit?

People who respect due process in anything pertaining to the handling of people/human beings gives a crap. Don't lose sight of your humanity over political issues brother.

 

[danielpalos]

Government has solutions, right wingers. Capitalists have none.

 

[beagle9]

there is no invasion. a multitude is not an invasion.

A multitude is one thing. A multitude illegally, immorally bursting across your border, into your nation is another.

we have illegal wars on drugs and terror that are causing hardships in some countries and creating refugees.

The right wing has no credibility; Government is the solution not Capitalists or capitalism.

Give it up already, you just keep babbling on and on without much substance in your solutions.

 

[protectionist]

There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.

FALSE! The depiction of " unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical" is merely a side issue. The primary focus is to stop and repel an INVASION, from whoever is engaging in it, and for whatever their reasons may be. THAT is where the fight should be directed toward.

Once the attack on America is repelled, THEN, and only then, we can talk about, and deal with, bad governments creating these messes.

 

[danielpalos]

there is no invasion. a multitude is not an invasion.

A multitude is one thing. A multitude illegally, immorally bursting across your border, into your nation is another.

we have illegal wars on drugs and terror that are causing hardships in some countries and creating refugees.

The right wing has no credibility; Government is the solution not Capitalists or capitalism.

Give it up already, you just keep babbling on and on without much substance in your solutions.

Government has solutions not right wingers alleging any form of subscription to capitalism.

 

[protectionist]

My prayer is that those who have joined the caravaners and increased their original numbers fourfold are not militia who now have them as their captives.
If they are, it puts a burden on our National Guard to be perfect marksmen able to determine at a glance militia from civilians who now may be being herded instead of shepherded. Mexico is not confronting this issue and have not reimbursed us for dumping its own criminals onto our soil so they will skip on the expense it is to incarcerate hardened and serial criminals. It's only right they should be a good neighbor and stop this conspiracy fomenting within their borders before this particular caravan reaches our border.

Mexico has been an enemy of the US for decades, taking away our businesses, and engaging in Mexican imperialism upon us, by sending poor people here to take our jobs, and raid our economy for tens of Billions$$/year in remittances, and they are still doing it now. A few years ago, then Mexican president Vicente Fox bragged and gloated about it, while Mexican ass-kisser George W. Bush did nothing.

So it's no surprise they would not be helpful in this fiasco.

Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm

 

[beagle9]

There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.

FALSE! The depiction of " unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical" is merely a side issue. The primary focus is to stop and repel an INVASION, from whoever is engaging in it, and for whatever their reasons may be. THAT is where the fight should be directed toward.

Once the attack on America is repelled, THEN, and only then, we can talk, and deal with, about bad governments creating these messes.

You are absolutely wrong in your radical assessment. These people were allowed in the past to flood our country illegally to work here in which was wrong, but our fine upstanding greedy business class created the problem. Then when the beat down American worker's took note of their being pushed out for cheap labor, and to add insult to injury realized that their taxes were subsidizing these workers in which added even more profits to these companies who were working them illegally, they rebelled.

Next these illegals were forced to abandon their post, and return home to their countries in droves during the Obama years. This had to have impacted these poor countries that were then stable while these citizens were out making money abroad instead of living in poverty at home.

Now they are coming back, but it isn't the right way to come back because we have since corrected our problems with abusing our own citizenry/workforces by not allowing the illegals to throw the balance off so bad that it became a serious issue here.

There is a way to deal with it all lawfully and peacefully. No need for anyone to get hurt or killed.

 

[protectionist]

From what I have heard he is sending regular troops not the guard. Wise imo since the governor's command their respective troops.

The National Guard is both a state AND a national a military force. Ordinarily, it is at the command of the governor of the state of that particular Guard. But the president can federalize the Guard any time, and put them under his command. (as when the Guard has served in wars overseas many times)

 

[danielpalos]

My prayer is that those who have joined the caravaners and increased their original numbers fourfold are not militia who now have them as their captives.
If they are, it puts a burden on our National Guard to be perfect marksmen able to determine at a glance militia from civilians who now may be being herded instead of shepherded. Mexico is not confronting this issue and have not reimbursed us for dumping its own criminals onto our soil so they will skip on the expense it is to incarcerate hardened and serial criminals. It's only right they should be a good neighbor and stop this conspiracy fomenting within their borders before this particular caravan reaches our border.

Mexico has been an enemy of the US for decades, taking away our businesses, and engaging in Mexican imperialism upon us, by sending poor people here to take our jobs, and raid our economy for tens of Billions$$/year in remittances, and they are still doing it now. A few years ago, then Mexican president Vicente Fox bragged and gloated about it, while Mexican ass-kisser George W. Bush did nothing.

So it's no surprise they would not be helpful in this fiasco.

Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm

Government is the Solution not better Capitalism!

 

[protectionist]

Coming to our border for asylum is NOT illegal you stupid shit.

1. It has been shown at least a dozen times in this thread (which you might try reading) that the caravaners are not here for asylum (which by the way is only for people INSIDE the US) The word you're looking for is "Refugee"

2. The post you responded to, was talking about a hypothetical case of >> "A multitude illegally, immorally bursting across your border, into your nation" (which many of the caravaners have openly stated they can and will do, not that of "Coming to our border for asylum", as you changed it to (Democrats have a large capacity for changing the subject)

3. There is almost zero chance that the caravaners will be eligible for refugee status (also repeatedly covered previously in the thread)

4. Trump is going to cancel refugee status for the caravaners. There will be no examination of that. Trump is going to suspend the scam that is the United States Refugee Act. He will untie the US government from the shake-down scheme that is the United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.

5. Try to know what you're talking, about as well as you spout nasty words.

 

[beagle9]

My prayer is that those who have joined the caravaners and increased their original numbers fourfold are not militia who now have them as their captives.
If they are, it puts a burden on our National Guard to be perfect marksmen able to determine at a glance militia from civilians who now may be being herded instead of shepherded. Mexico is not confronting this issue and have not reimbursed us for dumping its own criminals onto our soil so they will skip on the expense it is to incarcerate hardened and serial criminals. It's only right they should be a good neighbor and stop this conspiracy fomenting within their borders before this particular caravan reaches our border.

Mexico has been an enemy of the US for decades, taking away our businesses, and engaging in Mexican imperialism upon us, by sending poor people here to take our jobs, and raid our economy for tens of Billions$$/year in remittances, and they are still doing it now. A few years ago, then Mexican president Vicente Fox bragged and gloated about it, while Mexican ass-kisser George W. Bush did nothing.

So it's no surprise they would not be helpful in this fiasco.

Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm

If it keeps on, then I predict a war with Mexico over this bullcrap. Them aiding and abetting all of this in order to sit back and watch us melt down like this will not go un-noticed and hopefully will not go unpunished.

 

[toomuchtime_]

My prayer is that those who have joined the caravaners and increased their original numbers fourfold are not militia who now have them as their captives.
If they are, it puts a burden on our National Guard to be perfect marksmen able to determine at a glance militia from civilians who now may be being herded instead of shepherded. Mexico is not confronting this issue and have not reimbursed us for dumping its own criminals onto our soil so they will skip on the expense it is to incarcerate hardened and serial criminals. It's only right they should be a good neighbor and stop this conspiracy fomenting within their borders before this particular caravan reaches our border.

Mexico has been an enemy of the US for decades, taking away our businesses, and engaging in Mexican imperialism upon us, by sending poor people here to take our jobs, and raid our economy for tens of Billions$$/year in remittances, and they are still doing it now. A few years ago, then Mexican president Vicente Fox bragged and gloated about it, while Mexican ass-kisser George W. Bush did nothing.

So it's no surprise they would not be helpful in this fiasco.

Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm

If it keeps on, then I predict a war with Mexico over this bullcrap. Them aiding and abetting all of this in order to sit back and watch us melt down like this will not go un-noticed and hopefully will not go unpunished.

Actually, Mexico is now trying to cooperate with the US in stopping the migrants from reaching the US border. Mexico has offered asylum to any who apply, along with work visas and a path to Mexican citizenship, but the migrants voted to reject the offer. While Mexico is avoiding a dirent confrontation with the main body of the migrants, they are preventing other groups from joining them, not allowing any of the to use buses or trains and refusing to provide any assistance, such as food, bathrooms or medical assistance unless they turn themselves in.

Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

 

[protectionist]

People who respect due process in anything pertaining to the handling of people/human beings gives a crap. Don't lose sight of your humanity over political issues brother.

If thousands of people simultaneously storm you border, that is WAR, not a matter of due process. This isn't convenience store shoplifting.

 

[protectionist]

You are absolutely wrong in your radical assessment. These people were allowed in the past to flood our country illegally to work here in which was wrong, but our fine upstanding greedy business class created the problem. Then when the beat down American worker's took note of their being pushed out for cheap labor, and to add insult to injury realized that their taxes were subsidizing these workers in which added even more profits to these companies who were working them illegally, they rebelled.

Next these illegals were forced to abandon their post, and return home to their countries in droves during the Obama years. This had to have impacted these poor countries that were then stable while these citizens were out making money abroad instead of living in poverty at home.

Now they are coming back, but it isn't the right way to come back because we have since corrected our problems with abusing our own citizenry/workforces by not allowing the illegals to throw the balance off so bad that it became a serious issue here.

There is a way to deal with it all lawfully and peacefully. No need for anyone to get hurt or killed.

My assessment is neither wrong or radical. Nor do I need coaching on what has been occurring with illegal immigration over the past 70 years, especially when I notice that some of what you're posting is inaccurate. if anything, I'll provide the instruction.

Rather than take a lot of time to point out all your errors regarding illegals, I'll just say that neither you or anyone else, at this point, knows if there is "No need for anyone to get hurt or killed" According to what many of the caravaners have been saying, there MAY well be a need to shoot them to stop them, if conditions are to that degree.

I'm sure that Trump will act as peaceful as possible. It's up to the caravaners how peaceful this all will be, and we will be lawful in everything we do, but that doesn't mean we have to tolerate our country being invaded. We won't do that.

 

[protectionist]

If it keeps on, then I predict a war with Mexico over this bullcrap. Them aiding and abetting all of this in order to sit back and watch us melt down like this will not go un-noticed and hopefully will not go unpunished.

I would not bet on there being a war with Mexico, however justifible that may be. I many times, for years, in this forum have stated that one of the solutions to the long-term Mexican imperialism, could be an 1846 style ass-kicking all over again. But despite many reasons and scenarios ripe for that to happen, it hasn't.

As this point, I'll just say if it does, it does. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Long overdue if it does,

 

[protectionist]

Actually, Mexico is now trying to cooperate with the US in stopping the migrants from reaching the US border. Mexico has offered asylum to any who apply, along with work visas and a path to Mexican citizenship, but the migrants voted to reject the offer. While Mexico is avoiding a dirent confrontation with the main body of the migrants, they are preventing other groups from joining them, not allowing any of the to use buses or trains and refusing to provide any assistance, such as food, bathrooms or medical assistance unless they turn themselves in.

Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

Really makes you wonder if there isn't something very political behind all this, stemming from US Democrats, George Soros, big money, and the 2018 elections.

Plenty of countries where the caravaners could be going, but their sights on fixed firmly on the USA.

 

[dblack]

Actually, Mexico is now trying to cooperate with the US in stopping the migrants from reaching the US border. Mexico has offered asylum to any who apply, along with work visas and a path to Mexican citizenship, but the migrants voted to reject the offer. While Mexico is avoiding a dirent confrontation with the main body of the migrants, they are preventing other groups from joining them, not allowing any of the to use buses or trains and refusing to provide any assistance, such as food, bathrooms or medical assistance unless they turn themselves in.

Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

Really makes you wonder if there isn't something very political behind all this, stemming from US Democrats, George Soros, and big money.

Maybe they're just tricking you into acting like an insane coward?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, Mexico is now trying to cooperate with the US in stopping the migrants from reaching the US border. Mexico has offered asylum to any who apply, along with work visas and a path to Mexican citizenship, but the migrants voted to reject the offer. While Mexico is avoiding a dirent confrontation with the main body of the migrants, they are preventing other groups from joining them, not allowing any of the to use buses or trains and refusing to provide any assistance, such as food, bathrooms or medical assistance unless they turn themselves in.

Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico

Really makes you wonder if there isn't something very political behind all this, stemming from US Democrats, George Soros, big money, and the 2018 elections,

I'm sure there are political activists encouraging this movement, but I haven't seen anything convincing about who they are or to what extent they are responsible for it.