Shogun
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A few problems with your ideas, shogun.
1. The biggest problem with legalization is that it will not be that easy to tax. The plant is a weed. Throw a seed in a hole in your yard and a plant will grow. Get a light, and some dirt and you can grow quality weed in your closet for a very low price, and at a higher quality than any mass production product. Regardless of the legality, price will always determine the flow of drugs. If I can grow a plant in my closet, then I have no reason to want to go to a convience store and buy expensive, lower quality weed. In Cali, there are compassion clubs that sell top of the line medicinal, yet the price is still outragously expensive.
This is why I suggest taxing regulated dealers who, as we know, will pass on their tax to consumers while limiting the number of personal plants that one can grow legally. I can make up to 200 gallons per year of home made wine without having to worry about taxes. I would consider similar rules with pot.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...access.gpo.gov/cfr_2006/aprqtr/27cfr24.75.htm
Anyone caught above these limits would get charged with felonious production and have their liberty to partake restricted above. Of course, people still ferment illegal grain alcohol.. but, are the masses going to the liquer store or distilling their own under the moonlight?
I address the qualities above. By giving the market legitimacy we'll see trademarks erupt onto the scene and even better strains than what can be found now. Besides, let's be honest, chances are you homegrown doesn't look like anything out of high times magazine.
Indeed, if the only way to consume pot legally is via federally regulated dealer stamp and you decided to remain in the criminal loop then you would be charged with criminal posession much like a felon with a handgun. I think the legality of this system is quite the selling point and I don't think that the generations of potheads will rebel when they can either consume with the risk of jail or without the risk of incarceration.
See above, I said dealers; not gas stations. Also, those current high (HA!) prices are the result of a narrow as hell market. This, of course, would be flooded with different comapnies that both sell and produce the weed. You won't pay 45/qtr when your options look more like www.pricewatch.com than trying to buy a mac from www.apple.com.
2. The saliva test is not full proof or even proven to be reliable. Weed can be cooked into food, which won't show up in saliva. I'd probably eat weed food more than smoke it if we legalized it cause smoking is bad for my lungs and it makes running a lot less enjoyable.
Neither are breathalyzers fool proof. Does anyone ever get slightly buzzed from eating brownies?
http://www.fugly.com/videos/7897/cop_calls_911_after_eating_marijuana_brownies.html
Besides, there ARE reliable tests that show the concentration of THC in the body and post-accidents could trigger drug tests with reasonable suspicion. auto Insurance coverage could be suspended if a blood/urine test results in a positive according to a specific level. There ARE options and there IS potential to create better testing methods.
ps, Alan Ginsberg ate pot on crackers when he became too old to consume by smoking.
3. Limits on yearly production are only for show. How often does the yearly wine quota law get enforced? If someone is growing outside, then it's going to be real hard to hold a case against them if their plants pollinate each other and make new plants.
I guess that depends on how much one is trying to sell. Grain alcohol distileries still get raided. People are still arrested. MY point is who bothers going through the trouble of growing when convenience is a factor of our society and the consequence for not playing by the rules means the revocation of the liberty to smoke? Sure, I CAN make my own whiskey and sell my own wine illegally.. but, is the risk worth it? Im betting the answer is no. And, if it is and someone is busted, they get five years per count to think about their mistake.
73-year-old Shriner busted with special-recipe 'apple pie'
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
MOUNT PLEASANT A sweet-tasting grain alcohol concoction has an elderly Shriner and his girlfriend in trouble with the law after officers caught them hawking Mason jars of the brew at a temple party, authorities said.
http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/mar/26/year_old_shriner_busted_special_recipe_a34967/
Don't forget, the general US population is not horticulture phenoms or growers out of a cheach and chong movie. The High Grow application and hippy bookstore literature doesn't guarentee a worthwhile product. Sure, some will get lucky and correctly identify a female plant but, so too, people also make lots of alcoholic beverages that are clearly poorer quality than even a bottle of six buck chuck.
Thanks for the input. I dont presume to have THE answer for this issue but it's AN answer beyond the stagnant cycle this far out of the 60s.
1. The biggest problem with legalization is that it will not be that easy to tax. The plant is a weed. Throw a seed in a hole in your yard and a plant will grow. Get a light, and some dirt and you can grow quality weed in your closet for a very low price, and at a higher quality than any mass production product. Regardless of the legality, price will always determine the flow of drugs. If I can grow a plant in my closet, then I have no reason to want to go to a convience store and buy expensive, lower quality weed. In Cali, there are compassion clubs that sell top of the line medicinal, yet the price is still outragously expensive.
This is why I suggest taxing regulated dealers who, as we know, will pass on their tax to consumers while limiting the number of personal plants that one can grow legally. I can make up to 200 gallons per year of home made wine without having to worry about taxes. I would consider similar rules with pot.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...access.gpo.gov/cfr_2006/aprqtr/27cfr24.75.htm
Anyone caught above these limits would get charged with felonious production and have their liberty to partake restricted above. Of course, people still ferment illegal grain alcohol.. but, are the masses going to the liquer store or distilling their own under the moonlight?
I address the qualities above. By giving the market legitimacy we'll see trademarks erupt onto the scene and even better strains than what can be found now. Besides, let's be honest, chances are you homegrown doesn't look like anything out of high times magazine.
Indeed, if the only way to consume pot legally is via federally regulated dealer stamp and you decided to remain in the criminal loop then you would be charged with criminal posession much like a felon with a handgun. I think the legality of this system is quite the selling point and I don't think that the generations of potheads will rebel when they can either consume with the risk of jail or without the risk of incarceration.
See above, I said dealers; not gas stations. Also, those current high (HA!) prices are the result of a narrow as hell market. This, of course, would be flooded with different comapnies that both sell and produce the weed. You won't pay 45/qtr when your options look more like www.pricewatch.com than trying to buy a mac from www.apple.com.
2. The saliva test is not full proof or even proven to be reliable. Weed can be cooked into food, which won't show up in saliva. I'd probably eat weed food more than smoke it if we legalized it cause smoking is bad for my lungs and it makes running a lot less enjoyable.
Neither are breathalyzers fool proof. Does anyone ever get slightly buzzed from eating brownies?
http://www.fugly.com/videos/7897/cop_calls_911_after_eating_marijuana_brownies.html
Besides, there ARE reliable tests that show the concentration of THC in the body and post-accidents could trigger drug tests with reasonable suspicion. auto Insurance coverage could be suspended if a blood/urine test results in a positive according to a specific level. There ARE options and there IS potential to create better testing methods.
ps, Alan Ginsberg ate pot on crackers when he became too old to consume by smoking.
3. Limits on yearly production are only for show. How often does the yearly wine quota law get enforced? If someone is growing outside, then it's going to be real hard to hold a case against them if their plants pollinate each other and make new plants.
I guess that depends on how much one is trying to sell. Grain alcohol distileries still get raided. People are still arrested. MY point is who bothers going through the trouble of growing when convenience is a factor of our society and the consequence for not playing by the rules means the revocation of the liberty to smoke? Sure, I CAN make my own whiskey and sell my own wine illegally.. but, is the risk worth it? Im betting the answer is no. And, if it is and someone is busted, they get five years per count to think about their mistake.
73-year-old Shriner busted with special-recipe 'apple pie'
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
MOUNT PLEASANT A sweet-tasting grain alcohol concoction has an elderly Shriner and his girlfriend in trouble with the law after officers caught them hawking Mason jars of the brew at a temple party, authorities said.
http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/mar/26/year_old_shriner_busted_special_recipe_a34967/
Don't forget, the general US population is not horticulture phenoms or growers out of a cheach and chong movie. The High Grow application and hippy bookstore literature doesn't guarentee a worthwhile product. Sure, some will get lucky and correctly identify a female plant but, so too, people also make lots of alcoholic beverages that are clearly poorer quality than even a bottle of six buck chuck.
Thanks for the input. I dont presume to have THE answer for this issue but it's AN answer beyond the stagnant cycle this far out of the 60s.
ha! 
