Shocking Video! Contraceptives Obtained Without Federal Mandate!

[Greenbeard]

If it is the Employer, the Dems need to change the situation so that it is the Employee that is in charge of choosing the insurance plan.

The pathway to enabling that is now being put into place as part of the ACA. But ultimately states are in charge of deciding whether and to what extent to do that since they control the design of their SHOP exchange.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If it is the Employer, the Dems need to change the situation so that it is the Employee that is in charge of choosing the insurance plan.

The pathway to enabling that is now being put into place as part of the ACA. But ultimately states are in charge of deciding whether and to what extent to do that since they control the design of their SHOP exchange.

Ultimately, until congress changes the federal tax code, insurance is going to be tied to employers. You know that as well as anyone.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

no offense...

But see what she did?

She made the issue about viagara......

But the issue isnt Viagara...nor is it Birth Control.

The issue is government MANDATING that insurance companies offer birth control...whether they want to or not.

Since when is that OK?

It is one thing for the government to say you CANT sell something becuase it is dangerous, or unhealthy, or whatever...

But for government to say YOU MUST sell something?

But the left doesnt want to touch that issue...so they made it about birth control, the religiuous right...and viagara..

And you fell into it.

Oh, I agree that govt can't enumerate what a private company should sell. I just think there are certain drugs that should come from private pay. That's all.

actually, no matter how much the religious right twists it, what they're trying to do is allow religious zealots to decide if an insurance policy is allowed to cover medication they don't approve of. they can lie. they can obfuscate. they can try to confuse the issue. but that's what it is and that's all that it is.

he thinks anyone who has a civil conversation "fell into" whatever... but not surprising from him. *shrug*

of course viagra is a fair issue to raise. rushbot and his fellow old white fat men love using that. but a woman who takes birth control is a slut?? and insurance companies shouldn't pay for her medication? really?

give me a good reason why i should pay for medication out of pocket that i've been prescribed since i'm a tween just because some religious nutter doesn't like what I have to take.

i'll wait.

Okay. Why should I be forced to pay for SS when I can make better decisions with the money that I earn over the federal government?

So basically we have the same scenario. FDR legislating against private property/personal responsibility. O demanding/telling private organizations how they're going to manage their companies.

I disagree with both.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Children are not mature enough to make their own choices. The law has long recognized this fact.

What's your point? How is that at all relevant, within the scope of your argument, if it's someone's religious belief that they are?

The fact that you need to ask such a question only shows how absurd your theory of rights is.

Actually, I was applying YOUR theory. That's what's absurd.

As for your other questions, those have been debated for centuries. I have my opinions, but I see no point in offering them in this discussion.

Because you know that your "opinions" don't amount to anything on this. The constitution does not protect absolute rights. Not even the right to your own life is absolute, it's limited. The government has the power to infringe upon your right to life. That's why the death penalty is legal. So too is the right to religious exercise limited. The government cannot tell you what to believe, it cannot direct churches to preach any given thing. But religious freedom does not extend to any activity whatsoever that an individual may claim is a religious matter for them.

Dumb example.

No it's not. If your theory is to be accepted, we'd have to accept that speeding can be a protected exercise of religion under first amendment. If you reject that example, you are only rejecting your own theory.

You're right about one thing: There's nothing inherently religious about driving a car.

And there is nothing inherently religious about health insurance.

That pretty much ends the discussion.

In other words, you realize you're getting in too far and cannot maintain your position, so you'd rather throw out a personal insult and declare the matter over, so that you don't have to endure further disintegration of your failed theories.

 

[Inthemiddle]

My guess is he could have picked one up at the CVS 0.3 miles from the campus.

Not without a prescription.

I do wonder what that has to do with contraception since not all condoms are latex

Can you demonstrate that the condoms he was able to find were not latex? The point (and I'm sure you already know this, you're just trying to play dumb) is that finding condoms available at a liquor store does not satisfy the need of the general Georgetown female population to obtain contraceptives. There are several methods of contraception, and different ones are better options for different people. Condoms are not a medical treatment. Really, you trying to talk about condoms is akin to suggesting that a diabetic can find all the "medical care" they need because there's a Wal-Mart on the corner that sells band-aids.

but I actually have a brain that works.

Then start using it. Because it's quite obvious to everyone that all you ever do is intentionally play dumb, and intentionally misrepresent the facts, because you're dead set on promoting an ideology over any concern for truth and logic.

 

[Greenbeard]

If it is the Employer, the Dems need to change the situation so that it is the Employee that is in charge of choosing the insurance plan.

The pathway to enabling that is now being put into place as part of the ACA. But ultimately states are in charge of deciding whether and to what extent to do that since they control the design of their SHOP exchange.

Ultimately, until congress changes the federal tax code, insurance is going to be tied to employers. You know that as well as anyone.

That doesn't preclude employee choice models in which the employee cans shop for his own insurance plan in a statewide market.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

My guess is he could have picked one up at the CVS 0.3 miles from the campus.

Not without a prescription.

Which anyone who needs one has. Right?

I do wonder what that has to do with contraception since not all condoms are latex

Can you demonstrate that the condoms he was able to find were not latex?

Umm, yes.

CVS Pharmacy | Online Catalog | Sexual Health | Condoms | Natural Condoms

Just because he bought latex condoms doesn't mean that CVS doesn't sell others,

But, like I said, I have a brain that works.

The point (and I'm sure you already know this, you're just trying to play dumb) is that finding condoms available at a liquor store does not satisfy the need of the general Georgetown female population to obtain contraceptives. There are several methods of contraception, and different ones are better options for different people. Condoms are not a medical treatment. Really, you trying to talk about condoms is akin to suggesting that a diabetic can find all the "medical care" they need because there's a Wal-Mart on the corner that sells band-aids.

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The point is that CVS pharmacy is another .2 miles away. If anyone is allergic to latex to the extent they actually need an epipen they would not go to a liquor store to look for condoms.

Then again, my brain actually works.

but I actually have a brain that works.

Then start using it. Because it's quite obvious to everyone that all you ever do is intentionally play dumb, and intentionally misrepresent the facts, because you're dead set on promoting an ideology over any concern for truth and logic.

Really? IS that how I knew what you were talking about when you threw in the epipen comment? If your brain actually worked you wouldn't have stopped watching the video after he went to the liquor store and you wouldn't have made a stupid comment about epipens.

But, like I said, my brain actually works.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The pathway to enabling that is now being put into place as part of the ACA. But ultimately states are in charge of deciding whether and to what extent to do that since they control the design of their SHOP exchange.

Ultimately, until congress changes the federal tax code, insurance is going to be tied to employers. You know that as well as anyone.

That doesn't preclude employee choice models in which the employee cans shop for his own insurance plan in a statewide market.

Employee choice plans? Do you mean different plans offered by the employer? How, exactly, does that end the tie between insurance and employers?