CLEARLY you remember Jim Baker in the 80s.
Bakker Sentenced to 45 Years For Fraud in His TV Ministry - The New York Times
Sorry dogma junkie... Your appeal to whitewash the great dangling carrot just doesn't impress me.
CLEARLY you remember Jim Baker in the 80s.
Bakker Sentenced to 45 Years For Fraud in His TV Ministry - The New York Times
Sorry dogma junkie... Your appeal to whitewash the great dangling carrot just doesn't impress me.
Jim Baker from the 80's has what to do with the topic? Your assertion that there are people who have misused religion in the past, and misuse religion right now means that all christians are doing the same thing? Is that really your argument here? Seriously?
Do I care if you're impressed? Ego much?
Bribe? So if religious people help the poor it's a bribe? If they don't help the poor, then they're not practicing what they preach. You people are hilarious. You find an angle to attack no matter what religious people do or don't do. That's why your critcisms go in one ear and out the other, they are meaningless because they are based on your own fears and/or agendas.
In your post you make it sound as though the mindless, stupid poor need protected from the likes of the evil christians by someone like you I suppose? Even if someone should go into a christian charity and get help and has to hear about God while he is there, he still has the personal choice of accepting or rejecting what he hears? Or maybe those evil chritians chain them up and force them to conver?
Hey, maybe democrats and liberals can start passing out food on election day! Oh.. that would be summarily criticized and hailed as what it would be, eh? Funny how that works.
Exactly, because they would want something in return. a vote that gives them power. What does a christian ministry want in return for it's charity? Money? From a poor person? Power? Why don't you explain how it's even remotely the same?
CLEARLY you remember Jim Baker in the 80s.
Bakker Sentenced to 45 Years For Fraud in His TV Ministry - The New York Times
Sorry dogma junkie... Your appeal to whitewash the great dangling carrot just doesn't impress me.
Jim Baker from the 80's has what to do with the topic? Your assertion that there are people who have misused religion in the past, and misuse religion right now means that all christians are doing the same thing? Is that really your argument here? Seriously?
Do I care if you're impressed? Ego much?
don't get all bent out of shape because I can literally show you example after example of dogma junkie motherfuckers using the dangled carrot of food or salvation to accrue power, wealth and influence. By all means, batshit crazy nutter, go ahead and keep denying gravity.
Okay, I'm sure you're just full of examples of how christian ministries that help the poor gain power by giving them food and clothing.
Money isn't the only form of power.
Okay, I'm sure you're just full of examples of how christian ministries that help the poor gain power by giving them food and clothing.
Organized religions hinge on the number of followers, there are some christians who do not follow the organization ideology thankfully but the churches are dependent on those. So to make people participate in their religious practices in order to get what they need to live is a form of gaining power, and it's wrong. It would be the same as if the KKK expected people to become white supremacists for food, or for Islamist extremists to expect you to be a suicide bomber for food.
If you want to help, give it to them without more than a request that they try to become self sufficient, anything more is indoctrination.
However that also doesn't mean they abusing the situation. I merely addressed your contention that you thought it wasn't wide practice, well, it is. A majority of organizations operated by churches do require some form of conversion to access their services.
Just because they can do it doesn't mean it's right.
In the work place though, it is up to the company (or it should be) and they can fire people for disrupting the work environment with religious preachiness of any sort for any religion. They can also ban all religious materials from the place of business, though it's an all or nothing law.
Just because they can do it doesn't mean it's right.
In the work place though, it is up to the company (or it should be) and they can fire people for disrupting the work environment with religious preachiness of any sort for any religion. They can also ban all religious materials from the place of business, though it's an all or nothing law.
It's your personal opinion that it's not 'right'. I don't see anything wrong with it at all, nor are they abusing anything.
There's that word conversion again. What kind of conversion? And what do you have to back up your assertion that this is wide spread?
Just because they can do it doesn't mean it's right.
In the work place though, it is up to the company (or it should be) and they can fire people for disrupting the work environment with religious preachiness of any sort for any religion. They can also ban all religious materials from the place of business, though it's an all or nothing law.
It's your personal opinion that it's not 'right'. I don't see anything wrong with it at all, nor are they abusing anything.
There's that word conversion again. What kind of conversion? And what do you have to back up your assertion that this is wide spread?
Conversion is the practice of one belief system when you had been practicing another or none at all prior.
It is abuse, taking advantage of those who have little to no choice is the definition of abuse.
My "assertion" as I already pointed out to you, is that I have dealt with the system in on form or another through almost every state. I can count the number of states I have not lived in on my hands.
