Settlements only "illegal" for Jews

Well then why don't the Jews who are unhappy with the Palestinians leave the occupied territories?? :dunno:


Well then why don't the Jews who are unhappy with the Palestinians leave the occupied territories?? :dunno:

Because they are idealistic pioneers and don't want to abandon their ancestral and historic homeland. They are even willing to live uncomfortable lives amongst savages for that reason, and I admire them for that. They are certainly very brave.

I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

The real "Palestinian" are the Jews. That is what you do not comprehend. Amazingly. Grow up.

No. The real Palestinians are a mixed group of people, including the Jews.

Grow up ;)

They are? Why was it a nomadic wasteland until the formation of Israel? Why is Israel more advanced than any mostly Muslim country? Hmmmm?

I had no idea that dense habitation and technological advancement had anything to do with anything.
 
Well then why don't the Jews who are unhappy with the Palestinians leave the occupied territories?? :dunno:
Different unhappiness. Like asking why people in Germany in the 30s didn’t leave as they hated Jews. Germans were the majority. Stop using your childish emojis. Grow up.

Have you considered growing up? Just wondering since your use of childish retorts indicates a lack of maturity. Go on then.

Different unhappiness? No. No one should be forced to leave their homeland against their will. You apply it to Jews, now show some of your vaunted maturity and apply it to non Jews as well.

I'll dumb it down for you. Jews in Israel are happy. Islamists in the WB and Gaza are unhappy. They should move. If Jews in Israel are unhappy they should move as well. Was that slow enough for your to understand? Take your time.

No they shouldn't. It's their land.

Why should they have to move from their homeland?

Why did Irish leave Ireland? Italians, Italy? Poles, Poland? Because they were unhappy. "Palestinians" bitch nonstop. Just leave. There are 50+ Islamist nations out there. Pick one. My parent left their homeland because they were unhappy. People leave their homeland frequently. Why are Mexicans leaving Mexico and coming here? Your argument is odd.

Did they want to leave? The Irish were starving.

You have a bizarre idea that all nations of the same religion are culturally the same.

Is Sweden like Italy?
Is Venezuela like France?
 
I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

"stone their children"?! Please.
 
I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

"stone their children"?! Please.

No. Not please. Shush this is certainly one are where you seem willfully blind.

The settlers throw stones at Palestinians children going to school often enough that the IDF has to provide an escort.

Enough with the excuses for bad behavior on their part.
 
Because its true. Jews are NOT about to live where ever they wish.

Do you have a list of countries to which you are NOT PERMITTED TO TRAVEL? Because of your religious faith, your ethnicity or because you once visited Israel?

I DO. So do others posting here.

Check your privilege.


What privilege do I need to check?

My feeling is Jews should be allowed to live anywhere they wish. How is that a lie?
Because its true. Jews are NOT about to live where ever they wish.

Do you have a list of countries to which you are NOT PERMITTED TO TRAVEL? Because of your religious faith, your ethnicity or because you once visited Israel?

I DO. So do others posting here.

Check your privilege.


What privilege do I need to check?

My feeling is Jews should be allowed to live anywhere they wish. How is that a lie?


You said in your post #18:

As far as where Jews can live? They can live anywhere they want, just like any other ethnic group.

That statement is not true. It is a lie. Therefore, I agree with Dogmaphobe.

The privilege you need to check is the one which assumes that everyone experiences the world the way you do. And that your "feelings" of fairness somehow magically keep people like me and Dogmaphobe from experiencing discrimination based on our ethnicity or religious faith or places where we work.


IT IS MY OPINION. MY OPINION is that Jews SHOULD be able to live where they want! It is NOT a statement that they CAN. BUT THAT THEY SHOULD. It relates to my statements on refugees.

I do not and have never "magically" thought you, or blacks or Muslims or women do not experience discrimination. So check your own privilege. And don't assume Dogmaphobe is Jewish. He isn't. He's a white male that has issues with blacks and Muslims, he has his own "privilege" problems to deal with.
I am not the subject of this thread, but I might mention that ANY parent whose child was at the receiving end of racial abuse would want to protect them and hope the school system would do something about it. when posters say they are happy that my child was a victim of racial attacks, ANY poster would object. you sided with the poster who said he was glad my child was attacked, and so we disagree on the subject of my child and whether he deserves to be physically attacked for his skin color.

since you brought it up and all.


Now, as to the subject of this thread, which certainly isn't me, you support the dispersal of Arabs into Europe even as many of their countries do not even allow Jews to enter. for all your posturing about prejudice, you certainly do ignore the extremely high level of prejudice arising from your people.

Well, let's keep this simple. If your child was the subject of racial abuse, I sympathize. No child, especially a child with disabilities, should ever be the subject of abuse. And no, I did not side with what you claim. What I said (and what your lying ass will never admit) - was if you USE your child to score racist points, you open yourself and your child to criticism. I abhor people who use their children for that purpose. Perhaps you can provide a link (you don't usually link to your claims do you).

However, I was basing my comments more on your overall posting history in racial issues.

Not sure what you mean by "high level of prejudice" from my people since my people themselves have had to deal with historic persecution - first as Mormans in a Christian dominated country, then as - Gentiles kicked out of the Morman church over a land dispute.

Aside from that - I support immigration. I don't sit down and set up some sort of bizarre moral calculus. When Syrians are fleeing the horrors of ISIS, I don't stop and think: well, there are ARAB countries who won't let Jews in, therefore we shouldn't let Muslims in, even if they are fleeing persecution.

In my view, and it is a very very strong view since it's been a part of my sig for many years - the St. Louis should serve as a reminder to us Americans, about how we SHOULD NOT act when it comes to immigrants.

It's pretty simple. And it should not matter what their race, religion or ethnicity is.
I was not making racist points. A poster asked if any white people had ever suffered from racism, so I responded. When I responded, a particularly vile racist said he was happy my kid was attacked. You then told me I shouldn't have brought him up if I didn't want him attacked.

Here is your statement.

The Facts About Racism

I will leave it to the honest posters here to read through the thread and decide who is being racist and who isn't. I made no racist posts -- I was responding TO racist posts.


Now, as far as immigration is concerned, if Muslims were to enter western Europe with respect for the cultures who are taking them in, then yes, I would be on board with it. Far too few adopt that attitude, and the precise reason for that is that the supremacist doctrine they follows implores them to dominate and subjugate.
 
She is a typical wealthy antisemite

:lmao: Wealthy I'm not. You are full of ASSumptions...less so of actual debate skills.

You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.
You are undeniably on record as agreeing that Jews manipulate Muslims to slaughter Christians.

That has nothing to do with Israeli politics.
 
She is a typical wealthy antisemite

:lmao: Wealthy I'm not. You are full of ASSumptions...less so of actual debate skills.

You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.

Israel is a Democracy and the only mostly Jewish country. So when you criticize it you criticize the Jews, the people, not their buildings and bodies of water. When people say they hate America, do you interpret that as they hate our weather but love the people? LOL.
 
Because they are idealistic pioneers and don't want to abandon their ancestral and historic homeland. They are even willing to live uncomfortable lives amongst savages for that reason, and I admire them for that. They are certainly very brave.

I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

The real "Palestinian" are the Jews. That is what you do not comprehend. Amazingly. Grow up.

No. The real Palestinians are a mixed group of people, including the Jews.

Grow up ;)

They are? Why was it a nomadic wasteland until the formation of Israel? Why is Israel more advanced than any mostly Muslim country? Hmmmm?

I had no idea that dense habitation and technological advancement had anything to do with anything.

Maybe you should educate yourself and then answer me?
 
Different unhappiness. Like asking why people in Germany in the 30s didn’t leave as they hated Jews. Germans were the majority. Stop using your childish emojis. Grow up.

Have you considered growing up? Just wondering since your use of childish retorts indicates a lack of maturity. Go on then.

Different unhappiness? No. No one should be forced to leave their homeland against their will. You apply it to Jews, now show some of your vaunted maturity and apply it to non Jews as well.

I'll dumb it down for you. Jews in Israel are happy. Islamists in the WB and Gaza are unhappy. They should move. If Jews in Israel are unhappy they should move as well. Was that slow enough for your to understand? Take your time.

No they shouldn't. It's their land.

Why should they have to move from their homeland?

Why did Irish leave Ireland? Italians, Italy? Poles, Poland? Because they were unhappy. "Palestinians" bitch nonstop. Just leave. There are 50+ Islamist nations out there. Pick one. My parent left their homeland because they were unhappy. People leave their homeland frequently. Why are Mexicans leaving Mexico and coming here? Your argument is odd.

Did they want to leave? The Irish were starving.

You have a bizarre idea that all nations of the same religion are culturally the same.

Is Sweden like Italy?
Is Venezuela like France?

They were unhappy. Jews in Europe were persecuted so they left. Jews in the Middle East were and still are banned from living in countries run by Islamic dictatorships. So they left. Residents of Gaza and the WB are unhappy. They should leave or STFU.
 
:lmao: Wealthy I'm not. You are full of ASSumptions...less so of actual debate skills.

You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.
You are undeniably on record as agreeing that Jews manipulate Muslims to slaughter Christians.

That has nothing to do with Israeli politics.

Actually, what I agreed with was another part of what he posted, but have it your way.

Are you going to continue to drag stuff from other threads here?

I have been consistent in how I feel in regards to certain of Israel's policies. I have also been consistent in how I feel about the ill treatment of immigrants, including OUR treatment of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. I don't care if they are Jews fleeing persecution, or Muslims fleeing Isis, or Rohinga fleeing Myanmar, or Christians fleeing the horrors of the conflict in the Congo. We, as a wealthy nation, owe it to the less fortunate especially when we have a hand in causing those misfortunes (Iraq). How about you? You are completely absent from threads about the horrors of child rape in the Congo conflict, or forced child marriage in India, or how heroic women take the reins some African countries to make child marriage illegal.

Since we are supposed to be talking about settlements, what does any of this have to do with settlements?

Sushu posted a good article on that, which, in my mind seems to make two points: Israel is occupying certain territory and building settlements. Other countries have done the same, but only Israel (and Russia) is condemned for it. They should ALL be equally condemned don't you think?
 
Have you considered growing up? Just wondering since your use of childish retorts indicates a lack of maturity. Go on then.

Different unhappiness? No. No one should be forced to leave their homeland against their will. You apply it to Jews, now show some of your vaunted maturity and apply it to non Jews as well.

I'll dumb it down for you. Jews in Israel are happy. Islamists in the WB and Gaza are unhappy. They should move. If Jews in Israel are unhappy they should move as well. Was that slow enough for your to understand? Take your time.

No they shouldn't. It's their land.

Why should they have to move from their homeland?

Why did Irish leave Ireland? Italians, Italy? Poles, Poland? Because they were unhappy. "Palestinians" bitch nonstop. Just leave. There are 50+ Islamist nations out there. Pick one. My parent left their homeland because they were unhappy. People leave their homeland frequently. Why are Mexicans leaving Mexico and coming here? Your argument is odd.

Did they want to leave? The Irish were starving.

You have a bizarre idea that all nations of the same religion are culturally the same.

Is Sweden like Italy?
Is Venezuela like France?

They were unhappy. Jews in Europe were persecuted so they left. Jews in the Middle East were and still are banned from living in countries run by Islamic dictatorships. So they left. Residents of Gaza and the WB are unhappy. They should leave or STFU.

Umh...no...they didn't "leave". They were FORCED to leave, many of them unwillingly.
 
:lmao: Wealthy I'm not. You are full of ASSumptions...less so of actual debate skills.

You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.

Israel is a Democracy and the only mostly Jewish country. So when you criticize it you criticize the Jews, the people, not their buildings and bodies of water. When people say they hate America, do you interpret that as they hate our weather but love the people? LOL.

Well we will just have to disagree on that.

When people criticize American policies I don't take that to mean they hate all Christians.
 
I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

"stone their children"?! Please.

No. Not please. Shush this is certainly one are where you seem willfully blind.

The settlers throw stones at Palestinians children going to school often enough that the IDF has to provide an escort.

Enough with the excuses for bad behavior on their part.

So not "stone their children" but throw rocks.
I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

"stone their children"?! Please.

No. Not please. Shush this is certainly one are where you seem willfully blind.

The settlers throw stones at Palestinians children going to school often enough that the IDF has to provide an escort.

Enough with the excuses for bad behavior on their part.


Throwing rocks is ridiculous and childish. (Yes it can also be lethal). Both sides have taken to this stupidity.

But let's not paint the Jewish people with one brush while calling the other "brave". And let's not use inflammatory language like "stoning children", which has a connotation beyond throwing rocks.

Both sides should grow up when it comes to this foolishness.
 
I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

"stone their children"?! Please.

No. Not please. Shush this is certainly one are where you seem willfully blind.

The settlers throw stones at Palestinians children going to school often enough that the IDF has to provide an escort.

Enough with the excuses for bad behavior on their part.

So not "stone their children" but throw rocks.
I can respect that. What I can't respect is that you can't seem to comprehend that the Palestinians have a similar love for their homeland, even in the face of hostile "settlers" who stone their children, attack their crops, and try to drive them out. They are certainly brave.

Maybe somewhere, there are some sane people who actually recognize the bravery and rights of both groups of natives.

Not holding my breath.

"stone their children"?! Please.

No. Not please. Shush this is certainly one are where you seem willfully blind.

The settlers throw stones at Palestinians children going to school often enough that the IDF has to provide an escort.

Enough with the excuses for bad behavior on their part.


Throwing rocks is ridiculous and childish. (Yes it can also be lethal). Both sides have taken to this stupidity.

But let's not paint the Jewish people with one brush while calling the other "brave". And let's not use inflammatory language like "stoning children", which has a connotation beyond throwing rocks.

Both sides should grow up when it comes to this foolishness.

Thank you. And yes. They should.
 
You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.
You are undeniably on record as agreeing that Jews manipulate Muslims to slaughter Christians.

That has nothing to do with Israeli politics.

Actually, what I agreed with was another part of what he posted, but have it your way.

Are you going to continue to drag stuff from other threads here?

I have been consistent in how I feel in regards to certain of Israel's policies. I have also been consistent in how I feel about the ill treatment of immigrants, including OUR treatment of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. I don't care if they are Jews fleeing persecution, or Muslims fleeing Isis, or Rohinga fleeing Myanmar, or Christians fleeing the horrors of the conflict in the Congo. We, as a wealthy nation, owe it to the less fortunate especially when we have a hand in causing those misfortunes (Iraq). How about you? You are completely absent from threads about the horrors of child rape in the Congo conflict, or forced child marriage in India, or how heroic women take the reins some African countries to make child marriage illegal.

Since we are supposed to be talking about settlements, what does any of this have to do with settlements?

Sushu posted a good article on that, which, in my mind seems to make two points: Israel is occupying certain territory and building settlements. Other countries have done the same, but only Israel (and Russia) is condemned for it. They should ALL be equally condemned don't you think?

I do not agree at all. We are not the repository for the ills of other nations. We have our own issue. Hamas and Fatah want Israel destroyed. They should take them out now IMO. They have been way too nice.
 
I'll dumb it down for you. Jews in Israel are happy. Islamists in the WB and Gaza are unhappy. They should move. If Jews in Israel are unhappy they should move as well. Was that slow enough for your to understand? Take your time.

No they shouldn't. It's their land.

Why should they have to move from their homeland?

Why did Irish leave Ireland? Italians, Italy? Poles, Poland? Because they were unhappy. "Palestinians" bitch nonstop. Just leave. There are 50+ Islamist nations out there. Pick one. My parent left their homeland because they were unhappy. People leave their homeland frequently. Why are Mexicans leaving Mexico and coming here? Your argument is odd.

Did they want to leave? The Irish were starving.

You have a bizarre idea that all nations of the same religion are culturally the same.

Is Sweden like Italy?
Is Venezuela like France?

They were unhappy. Jews in Europe were persecuted so they left. Jews in the Middle East were and still are banned from living in countries run by Islamic dictatorships. So they left. Residents of Gaza and the WB are unhappy. They should leave or STFU.

Umh...no...they didn't "leave". They were FORCED to leave, many of them unwillingly.

Untrue. They came here for a better life. Who is forcing illegals to come here now? "Palestinians" need to leave. Or STFU. How do you see the conflict ending?
 
Sushu posted a good article on that, which, in my mind seems to make two points: Israel is occupying certain territory and building settlements. Other countries have done the same, but only Israel (and Russia) is condemned for it. They should ALL be equally condemned don't you think?

Thank you.

(Though I have quarrels with your first statement.)

I think the two points in the article are:

1. There is a different objective set of "laws" which are applied to Israel, yet no other country.
2. Other countries are actively moving settlers into disputed or foreign territory and are not condemned for it, while Israel is.
 
You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.

Israel is a Democracy and the only mostly Jewish country. So when you criticize it you criticize the Jews, the people, not their buildings and bodies of water. When people say they hate America, do you interpret that as they hate our weather but love the people? LOL.

Well we will just have to disagree on that.

When people criticize American policies I don't take that to mean they hate all Christians.

But you do take it to mean they hate all Americans? Jews are now an ethnicity as well as religion. Always have been actually.
 
You're not wealthy? Shocking....did those pesky Jews take your $$$?

WTF are you talking about?

Typically people who rail against Israel as vehemently as you do generally blame the Jews for their lack of wealth too. What do you do for work in real life?

You continue to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with "railing against Jews". Will you ever learn to separate the two?

Jews (and Christians and Muslims and Hindus and Atheists) have zip to do with my financial circumstances. I hope that clarifies it for you but I doubt it as I'm sure this will continue to come up from your corner.
You are undeniably on record as agreeing that Jews manipulate Muslims to slaughter Christians.

That has nothing to do with Israeli politics.

Actually, what I agreed with was another part of what he posted, but have it your way.

Are you going to continue to drag stuff from other threads here?

I have been consistent in how I feel in regards to certain of Israel's policies. I have also been consistent in how I feel about the ill treatment of immigrants, including OUR treatment of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. I don't care if they are Jews fleeing persecution, or Muslims fleeing Isis, or Rohinga fleeing Myanmar, or Christians fleeing the horrors of the conflict in the Congo. We, as a wealthy nation, owe it to the less fortunate especially when we have a hand in causing those misfortunes (Iraq). How about you? You are completely absent from threads about the horrors of child rape in the Congo conflict, or forced child marriage in India, or how heroic women take the reins some African countries to make child marriage illegal.

Since we are supposed to be talking about settlements, what does any of this have to do with settlements?

Sushu posted a good article on that, which, in my mind seems to make two points: Israel is occupying certain territory and building settlements. Other countries have done the same, but only Israel (and Russia) is condemned for it. They should ALL be equally condemned don't you think?

You attacked me in a call out post by accusing me of racism. I am defending myself against your accusations while providing information as to what really happened.

You are the one dragging this stuff into this thread, not me. Any honest poster can see that.
 
No they shouldn't. It's their land.

Why should they have to move from their homeland?

Why did Irish leave Ireland? Italians, Italy? Poles, Poland? Because they were unhappy. "Palestinians" bitch nonstop. Just leave. There are 50+ Islamist nations out there. Pick one. My parent left their homeland because they were unhappy. People leave their homeland frequently. Why are Mexicans leaving Mexico and coming here? Your argument is odd.

Did they want to leave? The Irish were starving.

You have a bizarre idea that all nations of the same religion are culturally the same.

Is Sweden like Italy?
Is Venezuela like France?

They were unhappy. Jews in Europe were persecuted so they left. Jews in the Middle East were and still are banned from living in countries run by Islamic dictatorships. So they left. Residents of Gaza and the WB are unhappy. They should leave or STFU.

Umh...no...they didn't "leave". They were FORCED to leave, many of them unwillingly.

Untrue. They came here for a better life. Who is forcing illegals to come here now? "Palestinians" need to leave. Or STFU. How do you see the conflict ending?


Jews were expelled from Arab countries. Expulsion is not voluntary.
 
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