thereisnospoon
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The NRA understands the concepts of "slippery slope" and "bad precedent".
Senator Dianne Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines...
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The NRA understands the concepts of "slippery slope" and "bad precedent".
thereisnospoon
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Gun control laws ARE useless. See Chicago, Washington DC and Detroit.
thereisnospoon
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It's not me being irrationally afraid of a tool, you moron.
Let me guess -- you're scared of the friendly pink rifles, too, huh?
You are really insecure about your masculinity.
You have no masculinity.
thereisnospoon
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There is no sense discussing an issue with an irrational person. You have an irrational fear of guns and gun owners.
FYI....The 2nd Amendment reads in part. "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
thereisnospoon
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Libs believe all aspects of human life should be without risk.
This is why their ideology will never dominate the nation.
thereisnospoon
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What an astoundingly stupid statement. And one not supported by reality.
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf
Fact: Only 0.7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers.143
Fact: 93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows).149
Fact: Most crime guns are either bought off the street from illegal sources (39.2%) or through family members or friends (39.6%).152If someone wants to kill someone else, they'll use what they can get.
12 Most Unusual Murder Weapons Used in Real Life | Raw Justice
Tragic indeed. But people who want to kill themselves will kill themselves. The presence or absence of a gun has no bearing.
Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control - Gary Kleck - Google Books
But if you outlaw guns, you disarm ONLY law-abiding people...and you would make the criminals successful in the hundreds of thousands of times guns are used in self-defense annually.
Irrational gun-haters like you believe it's morally superior to be raped and/or murdered than to defend yourself with a firearm.
This is the goal of the liberal. Libs are so attached to the notion of a nanny state central planning type government, they will not cease until they are satisfied everyone MUST obey, conform and submit.
Look their comment regarding socialism. "We already have "some" socialism, let's go all the way".
daveman
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If I was that big a sissy bedwetter, I'd shoot myself...if I could pick up a gun without shitting my pants in terror.What an astoundingly stupid statement. And one not supported by reality.
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf
Fact: Only 0.7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers.143
Fact: 93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows).149
Fact: Most crime guns are either bought off the street from illegal sources (39.2%) or through family members or friends (39.6%).152
If someone wants to kill someone else, they'll use what they can get.
12 Most Unusual Murder Weapons Used in Real Life | Raw Justice
Tragic indeed. But people who want to kill themselves will kill themselves. The presence or absence of a gun has no bearing.
Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control - Gary Kleck - Google Books
But if you outlaw guns, you disarm ONLY law-abiding people...and you would make the criminals successful in the hundreds of thousands of times guns are used in self-defense annually.
Irrational gun-haters like you believe it's morally superior to be raped and/or murdered than to defend yourself with a firearm.
This is the goal of the liberal. Libs are so attached to the notion of a nanny state central planning type government, they will not cease until they are satisfied everyone MUST obey, conform and submit.
Look their comment regarding socialism. "We already have "some" socialism, let's go all the way".
thereisnospoon
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Umm, with those strict gun laws, there are STILL gun crimes.
It is you who are mistaken in your belief that gun bans will prevent gun crimes.
Tut tut...None of that "well there are people who sneak them into the country"..NO! Your line of commentary is that "gun bans prevent gun crimes"...You are pot committed.
No having it both ways.
Now, mr union thug, post something clever.
Earlier you stated you spent 11 years in our armed forces. Hmm, how on earth did you ever force yourself to fire a gun? Or for that matter take seriously the oath you took( protect and defend the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic).....
Don't lecture us. If you want to advertise yourself as a crime victim in waiting, go ahead.
You don't want to **** with OUR rights.
Missouri_Mike
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A lot of women there, how big do you think their dicks got?
None, research has shown criminals don't purchase murder weapons at gun shows.
Junkies or in this case criminals don't rob people that are armed to the teeth, they look for easier unarmed targets.
JakeStarkey
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No assault weapon or magazine limitation or ban will happen.
Nonetheless, if you had been at the theatre that night the Joker would have killed those of you who were armed had you been there.
Does anybody know how many of the dead were armed?
Nonetheless, if you had been at the theatre that night the Joker would have killed those of you who were armed had you been there.
Does anybody know how many of the dead were armed?
RetiredGySgt
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The Court has repeatedly found that MILITARY type weapons are in fact what the second protects. There has not been a case that the Supreme Court found otherwise. Since the 39 Decision I believe there have been 2 other Supreme Court cases that specifically said military type weapons are EXACTLY what the second protects. And the latest decision states it is in fact an INDIVIDUAL right. Those that disagree have no Constitutional or legal standing to say otherwise.
An assault weapon ban is Unconstitutional as defined BY THE SUPREME COURT.
RetiredGySgt
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In NC Gun Shows operate under the same laws and policies as any other seller of firearms. If you want to buy a handgun you need a handgun permit, which takes 3 to 5 days to get from the local County Sheriff. If you want to buy a long gun you must fill out all the appropriate federal and local forms.
JakeStarkey
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One of the shooters at Columbine bought his weapon at a gun show.
Has Colorado law changed? If not, I wish it had NC law.
Do any other states track murder weapons to gun shows.
Has Colorado law changed? If not, I wish it had NC law.
Do any other states track murder weapons to gun shows.
Trajan
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Put down the bottle, Dave you're an ugly drunk.
I thought you unsubscribed?
bigrebnc1775
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It depends on the county. It took me one day to get my last purchase permits.
bigrebnc1775
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Run away, *****.
Put down the bottle, Dave you're an ugly drunk.
I thought you unsubscribed?
That was jake but I see he came back.
daveman
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As I've already shown in this thread, gun shows aren't the problem the gun-haters claim they are.
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf
Myth: Gun shows are supermarkets for criminals
Fact: Only 0.7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers.143
Fact: Less than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows.144 This is a reduction from a 1997 study that found 2% of guns used in criminal offenses were purchased at gun shows.145
Fact: The FBI concluded in one study that no firearms acquired at gun shows were used to kill cops. “In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study were obtained from gun shows.”146
Fact: Only 5% of metropolitan police departments believe gun shows are a problem.147
Fact: Only 3.5% of youthful offenders reported that they obtained their last handgun at a gun show.148
Fact: 93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows).149
Fact: At most, 14% of all firearms traced in investigations were purchased at gun shows.150 But this includes all firearms that the police traced, regardless if they were used in crimes or not, which overstates the acquisition rate.
Fact: Gun dealers are federally licensed. They are bound to stringent rules for sales that apply equally whether they are dealing from a storefront or a gun show.151
Fact: Most crime guns are either bought off the street from illegal sources (39.2%) or through family members or friends (39.6%).152
Myth: 25-50% of the vendors at most gun shows are “unlicensed dealers”
Fact: There is no such thing as an “unlicensed dealer,” except for people who buy and sell antique – curio – firearms as a hobby.
Fact: This 25-50% figure can only be achieved if you include those dealers not selling guns at these shows. These non-gun dealers include knife makers, ammunition dealers, accessories dealers, military artifact traders, clothing vendors, bumper sticker sellers, and hobbyists. In short, 50% of the vendors at shows are not selling firearms at all!
Myth: Regulation of gun shows would reduce “straw sales”
Fact: The main study that makes this claim had no scientific means for determining what sales at the show were “straw sales.” Behaviors that Dr. Wintemute cited as, “clear evidence,” of a straw purchase were observational only and were more likely instances of more experienced acquaintances helping in a purchase decision. No attempts were made to verify that the sales in question were straw sales.153
Fact: Only 0.7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers.143
Fact: Less than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows.144 This is a reduction from a 1997 study that found 2% of guns used in criminal offenses were purchased at gun shows.145
Fact: The FBI concluded in one study that no firearms acquired at gun shows were used to kill cops. “In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study were obtained from gun shows.”146
Fact: Only 5% of metropolitan police departments believe gun shows are a problem.147
Fact: Only 3.5% of youthful offenders reported that they obtained their last handgun at a gun show.148
Fact: 93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows).149
Fact: At most, 14% of all firearms traced in investigations were purchased at gun shows.150 But this includes all firearms that the police traced, regardless if they were used in crimes or not, which overstates the acquisition rate.
Fact: Gun dealers are federally licensed. They are bound to stringent rules for sales that apply equally whether they are dealing from a storefront or a gun show.151
Fact: Most crime guns are either bought off the street from illegal sources (39.2%) or through family members or friends (39.6%).152
Myth: 25-50% of the vendors at most gun shows are “unlicensed dealers”
Fact: There is no such thing as an “unlicensed dealer,” except for people who buy and sell antique – curio – firearms as a hobby.
Fact: This 25-50% figure can only be achieved if you include those dealers not selling guns at these shows. These non-gun dealers include knife makers, ammunition dealers, accessories dealers, military artifact traders, clothing vendors, bumper sticker sellers, and hobbyists. In short, 50% of the vendors at shows are not selling firearms at all!
Myth: Regulation of gun shows would reduce “straw sales”
Fact: The main study that makes this claim had no scientific means for determining what sales at the show were “straw sales.” Behaviors that Dr. Wintemute cited as, “clear evidence,” of a straw purchase were observational only and were more likely instances of more experienced acquaintances helping in a purchase decision. No attempts were made to verify that the sales in question were straw sales.153
Trajan
conscientia mille testes
critical thinking fail; the weapons that were in existence then WERE the arms of choice of both hunters and the military, it was the musket and early rifled 'muskets' and pistols. If they had so desired as these were not stupid men they could clearly have delineated guidelines for advanced arms, providing a leeway in language for future cases to do so, but they didn't and they framed it this way-
"it could not prohibit the possession or use of any weapon which has any reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia"...
do I need to define the term militia, most especially as they saw it in their time?
They did not frame it so as to read weapons that were; ' not par with those carried by regulated militias or standing army's' etc etc etc ...
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