Senate poised to break budget impasse, paving way for government to reopen

[The Original Tree]

Oh, I think he'd get 60 senate votes for his wall if he'd agree to a DACA fix and continue some family immigration.

Trump had already agreed to address DACA after the budget bill had passed.

Trump is not the one Democrats have to work with to get any type of DACA legislation passed and placed on Trump's desk to sign or veto. It's simply a matter of Separation of Powers and how the Govt Constitutionally works.

Schumer can't simply walk into Trump's office, declare he wants Trump to GIVE HIM DACA, and Trump do it. Obama tried that Un-Constitutional route, and Trump pulled it, forcing CONGRESS to do its job.

McConnell told Schumer after the budget had been passed DACA, chain immigration, etc was next...and Schumer still shut down the Govt.

D-Gutierez said he would help build the wall himself if it got Amnesty for Illegals. I hope he does not have to keep his promise, as I do not believe the illegals should receive complete Amnesty. Route to citizenship - sure. Ability to vote until completing that route? No.

Trump agreed to sign a compromise and backed out. Sen. Mitch McConnell's passive-aggressive dig at Trump on DACA and a shutdown - Breaking News Latest

First off, this is a lie. Schumer tried to DUPE THE PRESIDENT by changing the wording from Allocation to Appropriation.

The ORIGINAL Wall Deal was agreed to 17 years ago using the word "Appropriation" No funds were ever released....

"ALLOCATED"

to do that deal because THE DEMS have been fighting TOOTH and NAIL for 17 YEARS against ALLOCATION to push the project forward, so its been stopped dead in it's tracks for 17 years.

Fool me once Shame on YOU. Fool me Twice, SHAME ON ME!

Schumer is a LYING SCUMBAG!

 

[easyt65]

And this is considering the fact the current deal passes the House. Since the Democrats have now voted to reopen the government, it will be Paul Ryan that will own the shut down if it doesn't get passed.

Ryan can only bring the issue of DACA, chain immigration, etc to the floor for debate / discussion. He can't force reason, sanity, common sense, etc on everyone, and he can't pass the bill on its own.

Before we even go into such discussions the Democrats under Schumer, thanks to his 'Schumer Shutdown', have already demonstrated where their loyalties lie in creating and passing DACA legislation - with what is best for illegals instead of Americans

 

[easyt65]

In the 2016 election Democrats chose to do what was best for their Felon candidate - Hillary - rather than what was best for the American people. By causing the 'Schumer Shutdown', despite being given all they wanted, the Democrats showed they chose to do what was best for criminals again rather than what was best for the American people.

'Criminals before Americans'.

Unfortunately there are millions of stupid liberals who will give them a '3rd chance' come mid-terms.

 

[skews13]

And this is considering the fact the current deal passes the House. Since the Democrats have now voted to reopen the government, it will be Paul Ryan that will own the shut down if it doesn't get passed.

Ryan can only bring the issue of DACA, chain immigration, etc to the floor for debate / discussion. He can't force reason, sanity, common sense, etc on everyone, and he can't pass the bill on its own.

Before we even go into such discussions the Democrats under Schumer, thanks to his 'Schumer Shutdown', have already demonstrated where their loyalties lie in creating and passing DACA legislation - with what is best for illegals instead of Americans

The House isn't the Senate. It only takes a majority to pass it there. The righties won't be able to use the 60 vote excuse with the House. The Democrats will vote for it. Which means Paul Ryan will own it 100% if he doesn't get the Republican votes.

 

[easyt65]

'Senate Reaches Government Funding Deal, Despite These 18 Democrats Who Voted No'

18 Democrats STILL sided with Illegals over Americans... Diane 'Brain Congestion' Feinstein was one of them. as was Rand Paul and Mike Lee...incredible.

Senate Reaches Deal On Short-Term Spending Bill To Re-Open Government

 

[shockedcanadian]

Well, just listened to Wasserman-Schutlz get interviewed on CNN by Brooke Baldwin, and she really spoke like someone who feels they got hammered in this negotiation. I don't know, it comes down to Trump making sure these people fund the wall. If these politicians don't get it, they will be quickly unemployed, Trump needs to convey this to his Party, some will sell him out.

Also, Trump used the hardball tactic of just having a meeting, agreeingto disagree and then sitting back and waiting for them to give in. He knows the longer it went, the longer people would blame the Democrats for choosing DACA over the government, it would have cost them.

That said, if Schumer gets a DACA deal for anything less than the wall and reform, than he fleeced the GOP. The DACA issue is the number one issue for the Democrats, this cannot be overstated. That's so odd.

I'm surprised Rand Paul chose DACA, he has to appreciate that the open border system only works if a truly "every man for himself system" is in place, when you let anyone in and give them welfare without any contribution it is simply a reward for people to leave poor places to earn more doing nothing than they would working in their home countries.

 

[bendog]

Oh, I think he'd get 60 senate votes for his wall if he'd agree to a DACA fix and continue some family immigration.

Trump had already agreed to address DACA after the budget bill had passed.

Trump is not the one Democrats have to work with to get any type of DACA legislation passed and placed on Trump's desk to sign or veto. It's simply a matter of Separation of Powers and how the Govt Constitutionally works.

Schumer can't simply walk into Trump's office, declare he wants Trump to GIVE HIM DACA, and Trump do it. Obama tried that Un-Constitutional route, and Trump pulled it, forcing CONGRESS to do its job.

McConnell told Schumer after the budget had been passed DACA, chain immigration, etc was next...and Schumer still shut down the Govt.

D-Gutierez said he would help build the wall himself if it got Amnesty for Illegals. I hope he does not have to keep his promise, as I do not believe the illegals should receive complete Amnesty. Route to citizenship - sure. Ability to vote until completing that route? No.

Trump agreed to sign a compromise and backed out. Sen. Mitch McConnell's passive-aggressive dig at Trump on DACA and a shutdown - Breaking News Latest

The usual suspects of racist morons who only see their own delusions forget this is a much bigger issue than the Dreamers.

What a lot of people forget is the only thing that happened was the can just got kicked down the road again on another short term spending measure that hurts the military and other agencies for planning through the whole year.

In that perspective it is a failure by the majority party to govern, including the President. They have to deal with this all over again in 3 weeks, so nothing was really accomplished. Now McConnell is going to have to stick to his word and bring a bill to the floor allowing amendments, or get stuck owning another shut down that he will own.

And this is considering the fact the current deal passes the House. Since the Democrats have now voted to reopen the government, it will be Paul Ryan that will own the shut down if it doesn't get passed.

I think Trump signaled he'd take a Dreamer deal that didn't include the Wall. Then the dems tried to sweeten the deal to include funding, but Trump had already played to his base, and he couldn't compromise. McConnell basically agreed to let Schumer just set the clock back in exchange for 3 weeks funding, and McConnell knows the dems tried good faith, and Trump screwed it up. Although, Trump put himself in the crap with his base.

And yes, if the Dreamers are deported, the gop House and Trump own it. The senate will vote for them to stay, and the gop senators will overwhelmingly support that if it's tied to a Wall, and more border security.

 

[easyt65]

The House isn't the Senate. It only takes a majority to pass it there. The righties won't be able to use the 60 vote excuse with the House. The Democrats will vote for it. Which means Paul Ryan will own it 100% if he doesn't get the Republican votes.

Republicans do not walk in 'Lemming Lock-Step' like Democrats do.

The extreme vast majority of Democrats, for example, did not even read the bill when they voted for the disastrous ACA...they were told to. They did not read, did not THINK, they just did what they were told ... much like they did with the 'Schumer Shutdown'. How'd that work?!

 

[easyt65]

And yes, if the Dreamers are deported, the gop House and Trump own it.

I can live with that since 'Dreamer' is just another Liberal name for 'Illegal'.

 

[bendog]

Well, just listened to Wasserman-Schutlz get interviewed on CNN by Brooke Baldwin, and she really spoke like someone who feels they got hammered in this negotiation. I don't know, it comes down to Trump making sure these people fund the wall. If these politicians don't get it, they will be quickly unemployed, Trump needs to convey this to his Party, some will sell him out.

Also, Trump used the hardball tactic of just having a meeting, agreeingto disagree and then sitting back and waiting for them to give in. He knows the longer it went, the longer people would blame the Democrats for choosing DACA over the government, it would have cost them.

That said, if Schumer gets a DACA deal for anything less than the wall and reform, than he fleeced the GOP. The DACA issue is the number one issue for the Democrats, this cannot be overstated. That's so odd.

The very left of the Dems is now as "no compromise" as the very right of the GOP. They find him not legitimately elected.

 

[easyt65]

The very left of the Dems is now as "no compromise" as the very right of the GOP. They find him not legitimately elected.

Oh STOP with the BS!

The House passed the budget bill, giving the Democrats everything they wanted. That was still not good enough for the Chucky-led Democrats.

They sided with Illegals against the American people by voting against a bill that gave them everything they wanted.

Democrats are 'certifiable'...and they just proved it.



As far as 'not legitimately elected', those traitorous f*ers should heed Hillary's words:

'ANYONE WHO DOES NOT ACCEPT ELECTION REULTS IS A THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY!'

 

[bendog]

don't respond to me, birther boy

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Based on Schumer's speech, he won this battle with the GOP hands down. He stated it will remain open until Feb 8th, at which time the bi-partisans will go to the floor and will vote on a DACA proposal. Game, set, match I fear Trump either underestimated the Democrats or doesn't care for his political future anymore. I believe there has to be something to allow some to stay and a process to become citizens, but you cannot do so without the border funding and other considerations.

Get ready for DACA folks and I'm guessing once again GOP gives away something with nothing in return. This would spell disaster for the GOP in the mid terms and most likely re-election in 2020. One million votes for the Democrats, and all it took was three days of no government. Wow. Of course, the House is much tougher to pass anything of this nature.

Get the wall Mr. Trump, do NOT agree without full funding for the wall, chain migration and lottery. Anything else and you've lost politically and otherwise.

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McConnell was up before Schumer's speech.

McConnell promised to bring DACA to the floor prior to the February 8th expiration of the CR to be voted on today.

They both compromised. McConnell agreed to bring DACA to a vote and Schumer agreed to the CR and the President got what he requested for the wall.



Each got something.


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Dems got nothing. The DACA debate was going to happen at a later date anyway.

Schumer got exactly what he wanted. He knows after it passes the Senate, it will go to the House forcing Ryan to have to get the radical right nutjobs to agree to it. Now the ball is in Ryans court. If the House idiots on his side fail to pass it, the shut down goes from Mitch McConnell to Paul Ryan.

The Dems come out of the otherside looking like heroes to their base, and the House radical righties face annihilation by their base for even looking like they will protect the Dreamers.

If McConnell doesn't bring a floor vote in February, Schumer goes on television and says oh well, we tried, see how dysfunctional the Republicand are.

Now Trumpy is forced to deal with the Democrats to agree to a DACA fix, and the radical right base is now disgruntled with the orange man.

You're in a no win situation with DACA sunshine.

He is not forced to agree to DACA lol. He agreed to bring it to the floor. Nothing more. Bringing it to the floor does not guarantee passage

Oh it's going to pass alright. The Democrats will get 11 Republicans in vulnerable districts to vote with them.

It's House Republicans that have the problem. They are already in trouble as it is. Paul Ryan stands a real chance of losing to the guy running against him in Wisconsin. This is an opportunity for him to go out touting a big accomplishment. He just got his big $500,000 pay off from the Koch brothers for the tax bill, so he has nothing to lose, and can position himself for a run at the White house in 2024, with some very deep pockets funding his campaign.

WTF are you talking about? 11 Republicans in vulnerable districts?

Did you fall and hit your head recently, because it isn't working?

 

[Tresha91203]

FIXED IT !!! until Feb 8th when they can pick up where hey left off blaming each other.

yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I dunno. Suppose the Senate passes a long term fix to DACA. And suppose Schumer offers to pass a long term debt fix if the GOP passes the bill into law.

Trump then has to choose to either tell Ryan not to bring it to a vote or take some compromise along the lines of Graham-Durbin to fund wall construction (and you don't pass the entire cost one year - no program is paid for (-: that way), limit chain migration, end the lottery migration and increase funding for HSA

If Trump refuses compromise again, it seems to me the dems would be seen in a better light than they are now.

If the Senate passes bills with a long term fix to DACA, the debt, yearly wall funding, chain migration and lottery migration, everyone wins. There would be no problem. What IS a problem is granting any kind of amnesty FIRST ever again. That was already done. The Dems STILL have not completed their part of the agreement. Once they do, amnesty issues can be addressed again as far as I am concerned. That is NOT an unreasonable position, remembering very well the last amnesty deal. It would be unreasonable to address any form of amnesty when one side STILL has not done what they promised the last time.

 

[jc456]

You can watch the vote live at the link below. Schumer just spoke and said he will support the CR.

Senators debate amid shutdown battle

So they admit THEY shut down the government over lawbreakers

they voted for the same bill from Friday when they didn't. isn't that exactly a demoloser?

Continue to tell yourself this, soon you'll believe it.

when fact is fact. I will

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Based on Schumer's speech, he won this battle with the GOP hands down. He stated it will remain open until Feb 8th, at which time the bi-partisans will go to the floor and will vote on a DACA proposal. Game, set, match I fear Trump either underestimated the Democrats or doesn't care for his political future anymore. I believe there has to be something to allow some to stay and a process to become citizens, but you cannot do so without the border funding and other considerations.

Get ready for DACA folks and I'm guessing once again GOP gives away something with nothing in return. This would spell disaster for the GOP in the mid terms and most likely re-election in 2020. One million votes for the Democrats, and all it took was three days of no government. Wow. Of course, the House is much tougher to pass anything of this nature.

Get the wall Mr. Trump, do NOT agree without full funding for the wall, chain migration and lottery. Anything else and you've lost politically and otherwise.

Schumer got his ass kicked. There will be NO DACA deal in this CR, but they had one before that they Torpedoed, because they want Open Borders and Amnesty and Trump isn't going to do that.

He wants Allocation....Not Approriations for THE WALL. Schumer tried to dick the president over on this and now gets NOTHING. Trump will get his wall.

He will get an end to Chain Migration

He will get an end to the Visa Lottery.

Dems get only a promise to debate and try to pass legislation trying to LEGALIZE DACA.

^^^^^^^^^^

delusional nutcase

Donald isn't getting a wall, bigot boy.

Why are you calling yourself names? That can't be healthy!

 

[jc456]

FIXED IT !!! until Feb 8th when they can pick up where hey left off blaming each other.

yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I dunno. Suppose the Senate passes a long term fix to DACA. And suppose Schumer offers to pass a long term debt fix if the GOP passes the bill into law.

Trump then has to choose to either tell Ryan not to bring it to a vote or take some compromise along the lines of Graham-Durbin to fund wall construction (and you don't pass the entire cost one year - no program is paid for (-: that way), limit chain migration, end the lottery migration and increase funding for HSA

If Trump refuses compromise again, it seems to me the dems would be seen in a better light than they are now.

If the Senate passes bills with a long term fix to DACA, the debt, yearly wall funding, chain migration and lottery migration, everyone wins. There would be no problem. What IS a problem is granting any kind of amnesty FIRST ever again. That was already done. The Dems STILL have not completed their part of the agreement. Once they do, amnesty issues can be addressed again as far as I am concerned. That is NOT an unreasonable position, remembering very well the last amnesty deal. It would be unreasonable to address any form of amnesty when one side STILL has not done what they promised the last time.

any and I mean any deal for democrats against children of americans first the GOP is dead.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

10-1 dreamers stay ..

They should stay. They just shouldn't be given citizenship until ALL of the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS seeking citizenship have been given same.

President Trump is not against the DACA recipients staying. He just wants the process to be LEGAL by way of legislation passed by Congress and not ILLEGAL by way of Obama's EO.

Obama ignored the Constitution....many times. Trump is fixing that shit....one piece at a time!

It would send a message to others that you really don't have to pay attention to US immigration law. Just cross the border, disappear, and in a few years the Democrats will give your kids (and probably you) citizenship....

Wrong. This is where Trumpy can get his part of the deal on border security and no other immigrants tied to the dreamers past the deadline agreed to on those numbers are allowed in.

We wouldn't be in this position now if Congress had acted earlier. In a country where 2.5 million people die every year, assimilating 700,000 people is insignificant.

And that raises another set of issues. Because of the declining birth rate in the US, immigrant labor will be required over the coming years to keep up with the job growth and military personell that will be needed.

Those 700,000 people are significant if we have to continue to support them!

 

[jc456]

Based on Schumer's speech, he won this battle with the GOP hands down. He stated it will remain open until Feb 8th, at which time the bi-partisans will go to the floor and will vote on a DACA proposal. Game, set, match I fear Trump either underestimated the Democrats or doesn't care for his political future anymore. I believe there has to be something to allow some to stay and a process to become citizens, but you cannot do so without the border funding and other considerations.

Get ready for DACA folks and I'm guessing once again GOP gives away something with nothing in return. This would spell disaster for the GOP in the mid terms and most likely re-election in 2020. One million votes for the Democrats, and all it took was three days of no government. Wow. Of course, the House is much tougher to pass anything of this nature.

Get the wall Mr. Trump, do NOT agree without full funding for the wall, chain migration and lottery. Anything else and you've lost politically and otherwise.

Schumer got his ass kicked. There will be NO DACA deal in this CR, but they had one before that they Torpedoed, because they want Open Borders and Amnesty and Trump isn't going to do that.

He wants Allocation....Not Approriations for THE WALL. Schumer tried to dick the president over on this and now gets NOTHING. Trump will get his wall.

He will get an end to Chain Migration

He will get an end to the Visa Lottery.

Dems get only a promise to debate and try to pass legislation trying to LEGALIZE DACA.

^^^^^^^^^^

delusional nutcase

Donald isn't getting a wall, bigot boy.

Oh, I think he'd get 60 senate votes for his wall if he'd agree to a DACA fix and continue some family immigration. It seems obvious that Trump pulled his agreement to take a DACA fix for some wall funding and immigration reform because Miller and Kelly convinced him it would be suicidal with his base. And neither of those guys has any legislative background: one's a retired general and the other is an ideologue for a former Senator who didn't have bipartisan support for much of anything. Trump could spin this to his base, but there's just a lot of political incompetence

They had what they wanted. Schumer, Graham, and Durbin tried to pull a fast on on President Trump and when he called them on it, they stormed out, made up lies, and then tried to shut down the Government to hold America Hostage like the Fucking American Hating JIhadists they are and over what? Illegals that would have already been deported years ago except for Obama Bin Lying's Illegal Executive Order.

the orange sociopath isn't the legislative branch and the congress doesn't work for him, loon.

sure he is and why you failed civics.

 

[bendog]

FIXED IT !!! until Feb 8th when they can pick up where hey left off blaming each other.

yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I dunno. Suppose the Senate passes a long term fix to DACA. And suppose Schumer offers to pass a long term debt fix if the GOP passes the bill into law.

Trump then has to choose to either tell Ryan not to bring it to a vote or take some compromise along the lines of Graham-Durbin to fund wall construction (and you don't pass the entire cost one year - no program is paid for (-: that way), limit chain migration, end the lottery migration and increase funding for HSA

If Trump refuses compromise again, it seems to me the dems would be seen in a better light than they are now.

If the Senate passes bills with a long term fix to DACA, the debt, yearly wall funding, chain migration and lottery migration, everyone wins. There would be no problem. What IS a problem is granting any kind of amnesty FIRST ever again. That was already done. The Dems STILL have not completed their part of the agreement. Once they do, amnesty issues can be addressed again as far as I am concerned. That is NOT an unreasonable position, remembering very well the last amnesty deal. It would be unreasonable to address any form of amnesty when one side STILL has not done what they promised the last time.

I don't think we'll ever see a bipartisan agreement on legal status for people who came here illegally as adults. And, in fact, I don't think there anything like unanimous support for it even among latino voters.

Immigration is possibly more an issue to Trump's base than anyone else besides Hillary.

But again the irony is that Trump's base is not noticing he's now for importing engineers from Asia who will allow Apple and GE to fire American engineers for cheaper labor.