Sen Intel Cmte: "Soviets" the source of 2016 fake news

[cnelsen]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Bigger than Israel's?

Israel controls the world!

You apparently know more than I. I would only go so far as to claim AIPAC is the most feared, most powerful lobby in DC.

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

e.g.?

 

[cnelsen]

Uh....when was this?

Uh, H.J.Res. 114 (107th): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against ... -- Senate Vote #237 -- Oct 11, 2002

 

[cnelsen]

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

 

[Indeependent]

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

The UN for one.
How many nations lobby against Israel on a daily basis in that dump?
About 60.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Bigger than Israel's?

Israel controls the world!

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...he-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-representYou apparently know more than I. I would only go so far as to claim AIPAC is the most feared, most powerful lobby in DC.

I don't know which is the most powerful. The several that are most often cited -- the AIPAC, NRA, Big-Pharma, Finance, Agribusiness, Mining, Oil and Gas, Defence and Tech -- are without a doubt quite vocal, but I'd wager that it's the lobby that is nearly never cited that is the most powerful: The Chamber of Commerce. (See also: U.S. Chamber of Commerce - SourceWatch) If it's not them, it's Realtors.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. What are the factors of production? Land, labor, capital and entrepreneurship. Quite simply, in the story of any economic boom, while labor and capital variously enjoy their days in the sun, so to speak, land and entrepreneurship never fall from favor. Perhaps land will suffer when we figure out how to build in midair, thus reducing land's enduring value, but until then.....After all, even at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the land didn't go anywhere; it just needed some time to be habitable and usable again. Entrepreneurship is what will use it, and entrepreneurship is all the Chamber is about.

I would venture to say there's not a single policy or regulatory matter on which the Chamber doesn't have a very deeply knowledgeable expert of the first caliber and that the Chamber doesn't vociferously lobby for. Unlike many other lobbies, the Chamber doesn't shy away from hauling the government into court, regardless of the administration. The Chamber is doggedly about itself and its members. Period.

The Chamber was essentially created by the government itself and it's got special tax exempt status that keeps hidden nearly all its sources of funding. It's also the one lobbying entity that routinely and consistently supports both Democrats and Republicans. Though as an industry, Oil and Gas outspend the Chamber, as a single entity, it's the Chamber.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter of what lobby is most powerful. Sorry for the off topic digression...carry on.....

Reference:

• The Influence Machine: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Corporate Capture of American Life
• http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/195997-chamber-spent-50m-amid-immigration-push
  
• https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...s-the-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-represent

 

[Muhammed]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Not really. Russia's favored candidate socialist Bernie Sanders lost. Sanders' regular appearances on the Russian government's propaganda channel (RT) didn't help because the DNC already had the nomination fixed for Clinton.

 

[Penelope]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Bigger than Israel's?

That is debatable, probably an even impact.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Of course exposing the DNC's and Hillary's corruption had a huge impact.

Rube bait is generally quite effective.....on rubes....

But enough about Bernie voters who failed to support ol' crusty Hillary.

 

[cnelsen]

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

The UN for one.
How many nations lobby against Israel on a daily basis in that dump?
About 60.

Since I'm not a citizen of the UN, I'm not interested in UN "lobbying". Regardless, indignation at the UN doesn't give Israel the right to interfere in our politics. If you argue that it does, then you must accede to Russia's right to do the same. If not, then your loyalties are clearly with Israel, and not the United States.

 

[depotoo]

Nor our right to meddle in Israel's.

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

The UN for one.
How many nations lobby against Israel on a daily basis in that dump?
About 60.

Since I'm not a citizen of the UN, I'm not interested in UN "lobbying". Regardless, indignation at the UN doesn't give Israel the right to interfere in our politics. If you argue that it does, then you must accede to Russia's right to do the same. If not, then your loyalties are clearly with Israel, and not the United States.

 

[Penelope]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Not really. Russia's favored candidate socialist Bernie Sanders lost. Sanders' regular appearances on the Russian government's propaganda channel (RT) didn't help because the DNC already had the nomination fixed for Clinton.

I believe he favored Trump but may of been fine with Sanders, he dumped on Hillary is what I really know, and Trump has a lot of ties to the Russian elites. I agree, Hillary was the favorite, but who was the favorite of the RNC, certainty not Trump.

 

[cnelsen]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Bigger than Israel's?

Israel controls the world!

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...he-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-representYou apparently know more than I. I would only go so far as to claim AIPAC is the most feared, most powerful lobby in DC.

I don't know which is the most powerful. The several that are most often cited -- the AIPAC, NRA, Big-Pharma, Finance, Agribusiness, Mining, Oil and Gas, Defence and Tech -- are without a doubt quite vocal, but I'd wager that it's the lobby that is nearly never cited that is the most powerful: The Chamber of Commerce. (See also: U.S. Chamber of Commerce - SourceWatch) If it's not them, it's Realtors.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. What are the factors of production? Land, labor, capital and entrepreneurship. Quite simply, in the story of any economic boom, while labor and capital variously enjoy their days in the sun, so to speak, land and entrepreneurship never fall from favor. Perhaps land will suffer when we figure out how to build in midair, thus reducing land's enduring value, but until then.....After all, even at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the land didn't go anywhere; it just needed some time to be habitable and usable again. Entrepreneurship is what will use it, and entrepreneurship is all the Chamber is about.

I would venture to say there's not a single policy or regulatory matter on which the Chamber doesn't have a very deeply knowledgeable expert of the first caliber and that the Chamber doesn't vociferously lobby for. Unlike many other lobbies, the Chamber doesn't shy away from hauling the government into court, regardless of the administration. The Chamber is doggedly about itself and its members. Period.

The Chamber was essentially created by the government itself and it's got special tax exempt status that keeps hidden nearly all its sources of funding. It's also the one lobbying entity that routinely and consistently supports both Democrats and Republicans. Though as an industry, Oil and Gas outspend the Chamber, as a single entity, it's the Chamber.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter of what lobby is most powerful. Sorry for the off topic digression...carry on.....

Reference:

• The Influence Machine: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Corporate Capture of American Life
• http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/195997-chamber-spent-50m-amid-immigration-push
  
• https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...s-the-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-represent

I think the Chamber spends the most every year. They are despicable, but not feared like the venomous creatures at AIPAC.

 

[Penelope]

Of course exposing the DNC's and Hillary's corruption had a huge impact.[/QUOTE]

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption. That is nonsense. You want nepotism and corruption, you have it now. The Clinton Foundation had a real charity.

 

[Defiant1]

To stop outside campaigning during an election I can see only one solution.
1 month before Iowa,:until the day after the election
Disconnect the US from the internet
Ban all public gatherings
Turn over control of all media outlets to the government

 

[Penelope]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Bigger than Israel's?

Israel controls the world!

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...he-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-representYou apparently know more than I. I would only go so far as to claim AIPAC is the most feared, most powerful lobby in DC.

I don't know which is the most powerful. The several that are most often cited -- the AIPAC, NRA, Big-Pharma, Finance, Agribusiness, Mining, Oil and Gas, Defence and Tech -- are without a doubt quite vocal, but I'd wager that it's the lobby that is nearly never cited that is the most powerful: The Chamber of Commerce. (See also: U.S. Chamber of Commerce - SourceWatch) If it's not them, it's Realtors.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. What are the factors of production? Land, labor, capital and entrepreneurship. Quite simply, in the story of any economic boom, while labor and capital variously enjoy their days in the sun, so to speak, land and entrepreneurship never fall from favor. Perhaps land will suffer when we figure out how to build in midair, thus reducing land's enduring value, but until then.....After all, even at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the land didn't go anywhere; it just needed some time to be habitable and usable again. Entrepreneurship is what will use it, and entrepreneurship is all the Chamber is about.

I would venture to say there's not a single policy or regulatory matter on which the Chamber doesn't have a very deeply knowledgeable expert of the first caliber and that the Chamber doesn't vociferously lobby for. Unlike many other lobbies, the Chamber doesn't shy away from hauling the government into court, regardless of the administration. The Chamber is doggedly about itself and its members. Period.

The Chamber was essentially created by the government itself and it's got special tax exempt status that keeps hidden nearly all its sources of funding. It's also the one lobbying entity that routinely and consistently supports both Democrats and Republicans. Though as an industry, Oil and Gas outspend the Chamber, as a single entity, it's the Chamber.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter of what lobby is most powerful. Sorry for the off topic digression...carry on.....

Reference:

• The Influence Machine: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Corporate Capture of American Life
• http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/195997-chamber-spent-50m-amid-immigration-push
  
• https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...s-the-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-represent

I think the Chamber spends the most every year. They are despicable, but not feared like the venomous creatures at AIPAC.

ZOG is alive and doing very well in the US.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

The UN for one.
How many nations lobby against Israel on a daily basis in that dump?
About 60.

Since I'm not a citizen of the UN, I'm not interested in UN "lobbying". Regardless, indignation at the UN doesn't give Israel the right to interfere in our politics. If you argue that it does, then you must accede to Russia's right to do the same. If not, then your loyalties are clearly with Israel, and not the United States.

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Of course exposing the DNC's and Hillary's corruption had a huge impact.

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption. That is nonsense. You want nepotism and corruption, you have it now. The Clinton Foundation had a real charity.

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption.

Her pay-to-play schemes didn't bother you? Why not?

You want nepotism and corruption

No. That's why the Clintons had to be stopped.

 

[cnelsen]

The Clinton Foundation had a real charity

 

[Penelope]

Israel is the only nation in the world that has lobbies dedicated to it's destruction.
How about them apples?

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

The UN for one.
How many nations lobby against Israel on a daily basis in that dump?
About 60.

Since I'm not a citizen of the UN, I'm not interested in UN "lobbying". Regardless, indignation at the UN doesn't give Israel the right to interfere in our politics. If you argue that it does, then you must accede to Russia's right to do the same. If not, then your loyalties are clearly with Israel, and not the United States.

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Of course exposing the DNC's and Hillary's corruption had a huge impact.

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption. That is nonsense. You want nepotism and corruption, you have it now. The Clinton Foundation had a real charity.

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption.

Her pay-to-play schemes didn't bother you? Why not?

You want nepotism and corruption

No. That's why the Clintons had to be stopped.

I didn't believe them. I believe the same group has been after the Clintons for years, started with Bosie, Conway and her husband , Breibart, big mouth Laura Ingraham, and Drudge, then you have the same ole GOP wingbats, Rush, Hannity, Gingrich, Rudy, etc.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I see you are still logged in. What is an example of your claim?

The UN for one.
How many nations lobby against Israel on a daily basis in that dump?
About 60.

Since I'm not a citizen of the UN, I'm not interested in UN "lobbying". Regardless, indignation at the UN doesn't give Israel the right to interfere in our politics. If you argue that it does, then you must accede to Russia's right to do the same. If not, then your loyalties are clearly with Israel, and not the United States.

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Of course exposing the DNC's and Hillary's corruption had a huge impact.

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption. That is nonsense. You want nepotism and corruption, you have it now. The Clinton Foundation had a real charity.

She got my vote, I voted Democratic, I did not see her corruption.

Her pay-to-play schemes didn't bother you? Why not?

You want nepotism and corruption

No. That's why the Clintons had to be stopped.

I didn't believe them. I believe the same group has been after the Clintons for years, started with Bosie, Conway and her husband , Breibart, big mouth Laura Ingraham, and Drudge, then you have the same ole GOP wingbats, Rush, Hannity, Gingrich, Rudy, etc.

You didn't believe the emails?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Of course they had an impact , and a huge one.

Bigger than Israel's?

Israel controls the world!

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...he-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-representYou apparently know more than I. I would only go so far as to claim AIPAC is the most feared, most powerful lobby in DC.

I don't know which is the most powerful. The several that are most often cited -- the AIPAC, NRA, Big-Pharma, Finance, Agribusiness, Mining, Oil and Gas, Defence and Tech -- are without a doubt quite vocal, but I'd wager that it's the lobby that is nearly never cited that is the most powerful: The Chamber of Commerce. (See also: U.S. Chamber of Commerce - SourceWatch) If it's not them, it's Realtors.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. What are the factors of production? Land, labor, capital and entrepreneurship. Quite simply, in the story of any economic boom, while labor and capital variously enjoy their days in the sun, so to speak, land and entrepreneurship never fall from favor. Perhaps land will suffer when we figure out how to build in midair, thus reducing land's enduring value, but until then.....After all, even at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the land didn't go anywhere; it just needed some time to be habitable and usable again. Entrepreneurship is what will use it, and entrepreneurship is all the Chamber is about.

I would venture to say there's not a single policy or regulatory matter on which the Chamber doesn't have a very deeply knowledgeable expert of the first caliber and that the Chamber doesn't vociferously lobby for. Unlike many other lobbies, the Chamber doesn't shy away from hauling the government into court, regardless of the administration. The Chamber is doggedly about itself and its members. Period.

The Chamber was essentially created by the government itself and it's got special tax exempt status that keeps hidden nearly all its sources of funding. It's also the one lobbying entity that routinely and consistently supports both Democrats and Republicans. Though as an industry, Oil and Gas outspend the Chamber, as a single entity, it's the Chamber.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter of what lobby is most powerful. Sorry for the off topic digression...carry on.....

Reference:

• The Influence Machine: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Corporate Capture of American Life
• Chamber spent $50 million on lobbying amid push for immigration reform
  
• https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...s-the-us-chamber-of-commerce-really-represent

I think the Chamber spends the most every year. They are despicable, but not feared like the venomous creatures at AIPAC.

Well, yes and no, I suspect.

• A villain's lackey doesn't fear his principal because he's compliant.
• A villain's lackey who is no longer willing to be compliant would do well to fear his principal.

I'm not saying the Chamber is a villain. I just rhetorically set up my metaphor that way.