xandy123 said:
So you are saying that becoming a liberal means you had bad parenting. Right gee wiz Beaver Im sure mom and dad are good parents so I wont become an evil liberal. Way to make baseless accusations. How many people do you know who are liberals....maybe like one, more importantly how many parents of liberals do you actually know, why dont you suprise me and tell me that you made this remark after meeting with everyone in the Democratic party and their parents and children. You did you say, well what about my bleeding heart parents...did you talk to them about their son who screams and rants about the Clintons...no well then I guess I must have been adopted when I was like 17 because according to your logic, children are just too dumb to decide things for themselves.
I will give you that some famous dems I wont take the time to list them, are pretty stupid, however most people in the Dumbocratic party are merely misguided
I think that "misguided" is a better term. Liberals, in my opinion, come in two flavors. First, are those who sincerely believe in what they profess and believe that by those methods, society will be improved. Second, are those who may or may not believe in what they profess and their goal is not to improve society, but to increase their own power, status or satisfy some other lust of theirs. The second group is deceiving the first, in many cases, either deliberately (i.e. they realize that what they profess is nothing but a collection of falsehoods) or because they themselves are deluded.
Liberals seem to have bought into a system of beliefs that have long ago been proven to be utter nonsense, either because of ignorance or that they lack the ability to think logically or critically.
To label present day liberals as "liberals" actually does a disservice to those great minds in the past who actually were liberals, in the classic sense. I believe that the term "radical" is actually a better term. No one, other than the most zealous adherents of the liberal creed, could actually claim with a straight face that Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, Jay and the other founding fathers endorsed the abortion of unborn children, the matrimony of sodomites, the banishment of religion from the public discourse as fundamental or even desirable rights of persons.
To the classic liberals, the study of the classics e.g. the writings of the Greeks and Romans, the study of ancient western civilization and of course, the schooling in one form of religion or another was essential to the formation of liberal thought. Anyone who listens or reads the Federalist Papers will see that the authors had an extensive knowledge of ancient history. To these liberals, society was inherently good in that it regulated the passions and vices of human nature.
Contrast this with the present day "liberals", who disdain Western Civilization as being a series of abuses against mankind, either through the enslavement of the African, the oppression of women, or the conquest and persecution of non-Christian peoples e.g. the Muslims or the Jews. To the modern day liberals, society is evil and the individual is good. This idea is based not only on the philosophies of Marx, but on the writings of the psychologist Maslow. Both have since been disproved. In the case of the first, the economic theories of Marx have brought nothing but ruin to the countries that practice them. In the case of Maslow, no evidence exists that the "actualization of the self" or the improvement of individual's self esteem produces better minds, better character or a better society. In fact, evidence exists to the contrary, many of the great minds of the past were in fact, maladjusted people or dealt with their problems in less than admirable ways. And the result of applying Maslow's thinking to our society has produced a generation of people who cannot think critically, are ignorant of the past and as a result are doomed to repeat the mistakes of their ancestors.
The great majority of people who subscribe to liberal thought are generally ignorant of the past or choose to look at the contributions of Western thought through the lens of socialism. These people are the "useful idiots" of the second group of liberals, who, like the evil Emperor of the Star Wars saga, have ulterior motives and use deception, self righteous pretense and self aggrandizement to achieve their objectives. Those objectives are, in my mind, the complete and utter annihilation of private property, the usurpation of fundamental rights, the establishment of an elite ruling class that is accountable to no one and that will exploit through manipulation and coercion, the under classes. In short, this second class of liberals have no other desire in their breasts but the defeat of Democracy, the usurpation of traditional society and the establishment of Worldwide Socialism.
