Scott Brown May Save Obama

[Sinatra]

He CAN grasp it, knows all about it. But he BELIEVES to his core that Progressivism is what we need, what will "save the country." He's almost like a religious fanatic on that. It's in his upbringing and education, and all his life's experiences. It's in his writings, his speeches, his very essence.

He can no more go against it than he could stop breathing. It's not arrogance or ignorance at all -- it's belief. Honest, pure true belief.

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Ahhh - fascinating!

Obama is in fact akin to a religious fanatic - progressivism is a form of political religion.

You have opened up a new angle to this thing - well done!!!

I agree 100%!
Well said!

Please understand -- this isn't a knock on Obama. Far from it. This is understanding Obama.

The man is honest in his beliefs. They are held in his soul. He is what he is. There's no dishonor or disparaging in that. He does not want to destroy America, he literally and truly wants to SAVE it. It's a calling, a mission.

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And yet, it shows an alarming degree of arrogant ignorance, born in great part to a life devoid of practical political experience.

Such arrogance and ignorance is a very dangerous combination when seated upon the throne of the Free World...

 

[Midnight Marauder]

And yet, it shows an alarming degree of arrogant ignorance, born in great part to a life devoid of practical political experience.

Such arrogance and ignorance is a very dangerous combination when seated upon the throne of the Free World...

See? You're not totally getting it.

Arrogance implies that you have unwarranted pride and hubris. To YOU it may look unwarranted. But his elitist education and his humble upbringings TELL him it's not unwarranted. Therefore it's not arrogance.

You do have a point though. "They don't know that they don't know" does carry some foss.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Obama's far too much of an ideologue. He's not Bill Clinton by any stretch.

He will "stay the course."

To this point that appears to be correct - Obama's arrogant ignorance will be his political doom if he cannot grasp the politics being developed around him.

He CAN grasp it, knows all about it. But he BELIEVES to his core that Progressivism is what we need, what will "save the country." He's almost like a religious fanatic on that. It's in his upbringing and education, and all his life's experiences. It's in his writings, his speeches, his very essence.

He can no more go against it than he could stop breathing. It's not arrogance or ignorance at all -- it's belief. Honest, pure true belief.

Or is he just a knee jerk liberal, an ambitious black Chicago politician who understood that his political career would go nowhere if he did not embrace liberalism? Keep in mind that his "signature" issue, health insurance "reform", only became an important issue for him when it was forced upon him by Clinton and Edwards during the primaries, that he only enthusiastically embraced it when it became important to his personal success in the primaries that he do so.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

To this point that appears to be correct - Obama's arrogant ignorance will be his political doom if he cannot grasp the politics being developed around him.

He CAN grasp it, knows all about it. But he BELIEVES to his core that Progressivism is what we need, what will "save the country." He's almost like a religious fanatic on that. It's in his upbringing and education, and all his life's experiences. It's in his writings, his speeches, his very essence.

He can no more go against it than he could stop breathing. It's not arrogance or ignorance at all -- it's belief. Honest, pure true belief.

Or is he just a knee jerk liberal, an ambitious black Chicago politician who understood that his political career would go nowhere if he did not embrace liberalism? Keep in mind that his "signature" issue, health insurance "reform", only became an important issue for him when it was forced upon him by Clinton and Edwards during the primaries, that he only enthusiastically embraced it when it became important to his personal success in the primaries that he do so.

If you read his books you will know better than this.

 

[masquerade]

IMHO ... Barack was primed from birth. He's merely a puppet who's strings are being pulled by the large progressive machine which is trying to fundamentally change the landscape of this country.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

IMHO ... Barack was primed from birth. He's merely a puppet who's strings are being pulled by the large progressive machine which is trying to fundamentally change the landscape of this country.

No....

SAVE the country.

 

[masquerade]

IMHO ... Barack was primed from birth. He's merely a puppet who's strings are being pulled by the large progressive machine which is trying to fundamentally change the landscape of this country.

No....

SAVE the country.

And this is where you and I differ.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

IMHO ... Barack was primed from birth. He's merely a puppet who's strings are being pulled by the large progressive machine which is trying to fundamentally change the landscape of this country.

No....

SAVE the country.

And this is where you and I differ.

We do not.

I am saying what THEY believe, not what you and I believe.

They believe they are here to SAVE this country from the evil that it is. They believe it's flawed, it's wrong, and it's evil.

"Fundamentally change" is their euphemism. Because they know they cannot actually go around saying "save."

 

[masquerade]

No....

SAVE the country.

And this is where you and I differ.

We do not.

I am saying what THEY believe, not what you and I believe.

They believe they are here to SAVE this country from the evil that it is. They believe it's flawed, it's wrong, and it's evil.

"Fundamentally change" is their euphemism. Because they know they cannot actually go around saying "save."

Okay, now I'm with you. ( knocking myself upside the head ) Light dawns on my own marble head. lol Thanks MM.

 

[Sinatra]

It is a fascinating discussion.

Obama is part of the progressive "Save America from itself" crowd, but like some have already stated, is merely mouthing the words given to him.

He has never shown the intellecual depth or even curiousity to be one forming policy - Obama is simply marching to the tune given to him long ago...

 

[Midnight Marauder]

It is a fascinating discussion.

Obama is part of the progressive "Save America from itself" crowd, but like some have already stated, is merely mouthing the words given to him.

He has never shown the intellecual depth or even curiousity to be one forming policy - Obama is simply marching to the tune given to him long ago...

As evidenced by the agenda -- which is the same shit, the same wish-list the Progressive movement has had for 100 years. Nothing new, nothing original at all. Sort of like it comes from a bible or set of bibles of the progressive faith.

Oh wait, it does.

 

[The Rabbi]

Let's review here:
Obama sees himself as a "transformational" figure, moving America close to a Euro socialist model. He is multicultural, biracial. His experience has been largely in academia and left-wing activist groups, which teach traditional American values are the source of misery in the world.
Additionally he models himself some on FDR, who inherited a grave economic crisis and fixed it through government intervention (that's the myth anyway).
Further, he has terrible judgment. Remember the little things like no American flag lapel pin and redesigning the Presidential seal? Bigger things like clinging to guns and religion? Appointing fellow traveler Marxists to powerful positions?
Only someone convinced of his own inevitability ("we are the ones we've been waiting for") and uniqueness could do all these things. The adoring crowds in Ankara and Berlin only confirm this.
I have not seen any evidence of his capacity to learn from his mistakes. Indeed, he appears intent on moving "reform" and "change" along whatever the public mood.
So no, Brown's election will not save Obama's presidency. Obama will not triangulate and move to the center. He would see it as a sell out of his mission to transform America.
And that pretty well guarantees that he's "One and Done."

 

[Sinatra]

Let's review here:
Obama sees himself as a "transformational" figure, moving America close to a Euro socialist model. He is multicultural, biracial. His experience has been largely in academia and left-wing activist groups, which teach traditional American values are the source of misery in the world.
Additionally he models himself some on FDR, who inherited a grave economic crisis and fixed it through government intervention (that's the myth anyway).
Further, he has terrible judgment. Remember the little things like no American flag lapel pin and redesigning the Presidential seal? Bigger things like clinging to guns and religion? Appointing fellow traveler Marxists to powerful positions?
Only someone convinced of his own inevitability ("we are the ones we've been waiting for") and uniqueness could do all these things. The adoring crowds in Ankara and Berlin only confirm this.
I have not seen any evidence of his capacity to learn from his mistakes. Indeed, he appears intent on moving "reform" and "change" along whatever the public mood.
So no, Brown's election will not save Obama's presidency. Obama will not triangulate and move to the center. He would see it as a sell out of his mission to transform America.
And that pretty well guarantees that he's "One and Done."

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You may be quite right.

The State of the Union will be our first real glimpse into Obama's reaction and plans for the coming months...

 

[MIPS]

If Obama actually takes heed of the very loud message being sent him via the elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and now Massachusetts, he has ample time to alter course and steer his administration back to the political center.

Bill Clinton did so, and was rewarded with 2nd term.

Does Obama have the pragmatism to do the same - or will his ignorant arrogance win out?

Remember, Clinton had ample executive experience as a governor of a largely conservative state.

Obama has no such experience - in fact, Obama's experience that requires actual leadership does not exist. Thus the great political danger to him now. He must learn quickly that America is sounding warning after warning regarding this willingness to allow Pelosi and Reid to dominate the legislative direction of the country, while Obama simply comes out repeatedly and teleprompts a supportive speech for this direction. That approach has made Obama appear both weak and uncertain of himself as the leader of the Democrat Party.

Time to grow up Mr. President and face the music - and start to dance to the tune of the American people, and not the far left current leadership of the Democrat Party.

I have seen no evidence that President Obama is either prepared to or capable of abandoning his progressive ideology and governing from the center as Bill Clinton did after the 1994 mid-terms. As to why this is so, I believe it's a combination of his own arrogance fed by many years of over-indulgence by the circle of extremists he's had around him for many years and the fact that he has surrounded himself in the White House with many of those same extremists and their ilk.

I hope I'm wrong or that perhaps things will change after the congressional democrats get their well deserved thumping in November but I suspect that what we're going to see is President Obama push even harder for his unpopular agenda.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I believe it's a combination of his own arrogance fed by many years of over-indulgence by the circle of extremists he's had around him for many years and the fact that he has surrounded himself in the White House with many of those same extremists and their ilk.

We fixed that flawed idea earlier in the thread. It cannot be arrogance, by definition.

 

[Claudette]

If Obama actually takes heed of the very loud message being sent him via the elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and now Massachusetts, he has ample time to alter course and steer his administration back to the political center.

Bill Clinton did so, and was rewarded with 2nd term.

Does Obama have the pragmatism to do the same - or will his ignorant arrogance win out?

Remember, Clinton had ample executive experience as a governor of a largely conservative state.

Obama has no such experience - in fact, Obama's experience that requires actual leadership does not exist. Thus the great political danger to him now. He must learn quickly that America is sounding warning after warning regarding this willingness to allow Pelosi and Reid to dominate the legislative direction of the country, while Obama simply comes out repeatedly and teleprompts a supportive speech for this direction. That approach has made Obama appear both weak and uncertain of himself as the leader of the Democrat Party.

Time to grow up Mr. President and face the music - and start to dance to the tune of the American people, and not the far left current leadership of the Democrat Party.

I have seen no evidence that President Obama is either prepared to or capable of abandoning his progressive ideology and governing from the center as Bill Clinton did after the 1994 mid-terms. As to why this is so, I believe it's a combination of his own arrogance fed by many years of over-indulgence by the circle of extremists he's had around him for many years and the fact that he has surrounded himself in the White House with many of those same extremists and their ilk.

I hope I'm wrong or that perhaps things will change after the congressional democrats get their well deserved thumping in November but I suspect that what we're going to see is President Obama push even harder for his unpopular agenda.

I tend to agree with you. The only thing I differ on is the arrogance part. I think MM has that correct. I think that this guy is on a mission. He believes his progressive ideas are best for the country. As you say he has always been surrounded by progressives and hence he thinks the way they think. He is an elitist. He and those like him know best.

The progressives in this country have finally gotten a shot at making the changes they have been wanting to make for years. They just never could get to first base with any of it until OL'BO came along and the Dems took over the HOuse and Senate.

As for him moving to the center as Clinton did?? Don't think we will see it. I believe that he will continue to try and get his agenda through. Might not matter to him if he gets a second term as long as he can get his agenda going.

These folks really believe that they know whats best for us and the country. I think they honestly believe that we are so misguided that we can't possibly know whats best but they do. I think they are in for a big surprise.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I tend to agree with you. The only thing I differ on is the arrogance part. I think MM has that correct. I think that this guy is on a mission. He believes his progressive ideas are best for the country.

Just like no one generally calls preachers or other humans of religious cloth "arrogant."

 

[Sinatra]

If Obama actually takes heed of the very loud message being sent him via the elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and now Massachusetts, he has ample time to alter course and steer his administration back to the political center.

Bill Clinton did so, and was rewarded with 2nd term.

Does Obama have the pragmatism to do the same - or will his ignorant arrogance win out?

Remember, Clinton had ample executive experience as a governor of a largely conservative state.

Obama has no such experience - in fact, Obama's experience that requires actual leadership does not exist. Thus the great political danger to him now. He must learn quickly that America is sounding warning after warning regarding this willingness to allow Pelosi and Reid to dominate the legislative direction of the country, while Obama simply comes out repeatedly and teleprompts a supportive speech for this direction. That approach has made Obama appear both weak and uncertain of himself as the leader of the Democrat Party.

Time to grow up Mr. President and face the music - and start to dance to the tune of the American people, and not the far left current leadership of the Democrat Party.

I have seen no evidence that President Obama is either prepared to or capable of abandoning his progressive ideology and governing from the center as Bill Clinton did after the 1994 mid-terms. As to why this is so, I believe it's a combination of his own arrogance fed by many years of over-indulgence by the circle of extremists he's had around him for many years and the fact that he has surrounded himself in the White House with many of those same extremists and their ilk.

I hope I'm wrong or that perhaps things will change after the congressional democrats get their well deserved thumping in November but I suspect that what we're going to see is President Obama push even harder for his unpopular agenda.

I tend to agree with you. The only thing I differ on is the arrogance part. I think MM has that correct. I think that this guy is on a mission. He believes his progressive ideas are best for the country. As you say he has always been surrounded by progressives and hence he thinks the way they think. He is an elitist. He and those like him know best.

The progressives in this country have finally gotten a shot at making the changes they have been wanting to make for years. They just never could get to first base with any of it until OL'BO came along and the Dems took over the HOuse and Senate.

These folks really believe that they know whats best for us and the country. I think they honestly believe that we are so misguided that we can't possibly know whats best but they do. I think they are in for a big surprise.

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And therein you find his ignorant arrogance.

Obama simply believes what he has learned - a learning that he refuses to admit is very narrow in both scope and experience.

He is surrounded by sycophantic political enablers - and has received much the same treatment from the media.

Barack Obama may very well be the most intellectually shallow president of the modern era. He is simply not that bright, and lacks common sense - but via his own arrogance, he ignores this reality for one of his own choosing.

If Obama truly "believes" he is saving America, it is simply that for him, ignorance is indeed bliss...

 

[toomuchtime_]

He CAN grasp it, knows all about it. But he BELIEVES to his core that Progressivism is what we need, what will "save the country." He's almost like a religious fanatic on that. It's in his upbringing and education, and all his life's experiences. It's in his writings, his speeches, his very essence.

He can no more go against it than he could stop breathing. It's not arrogance or ignorance at all -- it's belief. Honest, pure true belief.

Or is he just a knee jerk liberal, an ambitious black Chicago politician who understood that his political career would go nowhere if he did not embrace liberalism? Keep in mind that his "signature" issue, health insurance "reform", only became an important issue for him when it was forced upon him by Clinton and Edwards during the primaries, that he only enthusiastically embraced it when it became important to his personal success in the primaries that he do so.

If you read his books you will know better than this.

I read first book, Dreams from My Father, which was written just after law school, and that is of the reason I doubt depth of his "convictions". Before Obama became a national political celebrity, the book had only one printing, most of which ended up on clearance tables, and in recalling that time in the introduction to a later edition, Obama says that he had originally intended to write a book about the black experience in America, but whenever he sat down to write, all he could think about was his own experience, which if you read that book you know had nothing to do with the experience of other black people in America. Both the book, itself, which basically recounts Obama's search for an identity and a place to belong, and his account of how he came to write that book, suggest that rather than being a deep thinker on social and political issues with strong convictions, he is shallow and self absorbed. While the book does show he is a good, although dull, writer, it also shows he has nothing to say except that he finds himself and his experiences endlessly fascinating.

I can't imagine what you read in that book to give you the impression Obama is a man of deeply and passionately held liberal beliefs rather than just a shallow, one dimensional, self absorbed, ambitious man who understood he had to embrace liberalism if he hoped to get anywhere in politics.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I can't imagine what you read in that book to give you the impression Obama is a man of deeply and passionately held liberal beliefs rather than just a shallow, one dimensional, self absorbed, ambitious man who understood he had to embrace liberalism if he hoped to get anywhere in politics.

He has more than one book.

You should read them again, with a fresh eye.