Science moves closer to biblical creation.

[james bond]

It was the end of an era when the temple was destroyed.

Sure, that was then. This is now. In the future will be another temple in Jerusalem (no under Muslim control). The Bible tells of five events yet to come -- What role does Israel play in the end times? Do the events in Israel indicate the end times are close?.

What do you have?

 

[Hollie]

רָקִיעַ râqîyaʻ, raw-kee'-ah; from H7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

visible arch of the sky:—not the firmament.

You can change definitions all you like, as you did in post 355 and now something different, but thats a pretty desperate tactic.

 

[Hollie]

Can you point them out?

You can find them. The gods help those who help themselves.

Job 28:24 speaks to the ends of the earth.

 

[Hollie]

What evidence do you have that 'flat earthers' is a Christian organization, or any part of the Christian church, or that 'flat earth' idea is any part of Christian belief or dogma?

Something about the bibles describing a flat earth suggests it's a Christian kind of thing.

 

[james bond]

Correct. There's also nothing in genesis about all of humanity being condemned for an act of fruit theft, right?

We don't know whether the forbidden fruit was an apple, but it is what led to original sin and sinful nature in us all. The proof is -- who here is without sin? See Ten Commandments.

It led to the history of humankind and everything and our Savior.

 

[Hollie]

We don't know whether the forbidden fruit was an apple, but it is what led to original sin and sinful nature in us all. The proof is -- who here is without sin? See Ten Commandments.

Just change the Bible fables to whatever floats your boat.

 

[Woodznutz]

visible arch of the sky:—not the firmament.

You can change definitions all you like, as you did in post 355 and now something different, but thats a pretty desperate tactic.

Firmament in bible usage can be a solid, or an open, expanse. But you may hold any definition you choose.

Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

 

[Woodznutz]

Something about the bibles describing a flat earth suggests it's a Christian kind of thing.

Chapter and verse please.

 

[Hollie]

Firmament in bible usage can be a solid, or an open, expanse. But you may hold any definition you choose.

Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Did you realize you posted: ''bible usage can be a solid, or an open, expanse....''

So yes, you can use all the contradictory terms you want. You can use 'yes', 'no', 'maybe', 'open', 'solid'... whatever. Just make it up as you go along.

 

[Woodznutz]

Did you realize you posted: ''bible usage can be a solid, or an open, expanse....''

So yes, you can use all the contradictory terms you want. You can use 'yes', 'no', 'maybe', 'open', 'solid'... whatever. Just make it up as you go along.

The Hebrew allows great latitude in translating words. The context usually, but not always, determines the word choice. The "four corners" of the earth can be translated four extreme places that are beyond sight.

My favorite is the word "gave" (Eve gave the fruit to Adam). It should have been translated, Eve nagged Adam into eating the fruit, much more accurate.

You've been shown the legitimate uses of the word. You've also been shown the metaphorical uses of other terms. What is your problem?

 

[Hollie]

The Hebrew allows great latitude in translating words. The context usually, but not always, determines the word choice. The "four corners" of the earth can be translated four extreme places that are beyond sight.

My favorite is the word "gave" (Eve gave the fruit to Adam). It should have been translated, Eve nagged Adam into eating the fruit, much more accurate.

You've been shown the legitimate uses of the word. You've also been shown the metaphorical uses of other terms. What is your problem?

My problem is the nonsensical redefining of terms because it's really a requirement to make any verse fit a predefined conclusion. I've been shown the manipulation and editing of bible verses to fit a narrative.

The "four corners" of the earth can be translated, ''the unknown authors of the bible lived during a time of fear and superstition where knowledge of the natural world was limited and it was thought that angry gods controlled the ebb and flow of life'

 

[Woodznutz]

My problem is the nonsensical redefining of terms because it's really a requirement to make any verse fit a predefined conclusion. I've been shown the manipulation and editing of bible verses to fit a narrative.

The "four corners" of the earth can be translated, ''the unknown authors of the bible lived during a time of fear and superstition where knowledge of the natural world was limited and it was thought that angry gods controlled the ebb and flow of life'

And you are welcome to your interpretation.

Not to get too personal, but did you have a bad experience involving religion sometime in your past? I knew a guy once who cursed a certain church because his long-time drinking buddy had 'got religion', quit drinking, and joined that church

 

[Hollie]

And you are welcome to your interpretation.

Thanks. I will interpret that to mean you agree with my interpretation.

 

[Woodznutz]

Thanks. I will interpret that to mean you agree with my interpretation.

I will agree that yours is pretty common among unbelievers.

Please revisit that post. I added something to it.

 

[james bond]

My problem is the nonsensical redefining of terms because it's really a requirement to make any verse fit a predefined conclusion. I've been shown the manipulation and editing of bible verses to fit a narrative.

The "four corners" of the earth can be translated, ''the unknown authors of the bible lived during a time of fear and superstition where knowledge of the natural world was limited and it was thought that angry gods controlled the ebb and flow of life'

The author was God Himself, so we can trust it. The global flood killed the dinosaurs.

It goes to show that you are WRONG and do not know.

 

[surada]

Please.
Infidel (literally: unfaithful) is just the Islamic term for unbeliever, heathen.

What does it mean to be an infidel?
The definition of an infidel is a person who you consider a heathen because he does not adhere to the religion you believe is the true religion. When someone does not conform to your religious beliefs, this is an example of someone you might consider an infidel. One who does not believe in a certain principle.

People of the book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels.

 

[surada]

The author was God Himself, so we can trust it. The global flood killed the dinosaurs.

It goes to show that you are WRONG and do not know.

Holy cow! These are creation myths for bronze age people.

 

[Woodznutz]

People of the book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels.

Are you saying that there is conformity between Islam and Christianity, and that neither believes the other to be infidels?

 

[surada]

Are you saying that there is conformity between Islam and Christianity, and that neither believes the other to be infidels?

Yep... But uneducated Christians probably don't know that. Muslims revere Jesus and the patriarchs.

 

[Hollie]

I will agree that yours is pretty common among unbelievers.

Please revisit that post. I added something to it.

When you describe unbelievers I'm assuming that would apply to all non-believing Christians. That group would make up most of the planet.

Other believers would be moslems. As we know, Islam corrected the errors in Christianity. The obvious interpretation therefore is that you are a believer in a corrupted religion.