Save the planet - buy an electric car

[Darkwind]

I wouldn't drive one ... but I believe children should.

You should drive one, a Tesla, so you don't sound like an ignorant fool.

2019 Tesla Model S
#1 in Luxury Large Cars

2019 Tesla Model 3
#1 in Luxury Small Cars

2019 Jaguar I-Pace
#2 out of 16 in Luxury Compact SUVs

My son has the Model 3. Nice car. As all electric, it's fast and the torque is instantaneous. Cost way too much, but he has money to burn.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Coal powered cars don't generate gas tax revenue. Those taxes pay for road and highway maintenance. One way or another, the state is going to have to replace those tax revenues, or give up on maintaining infrastructure.

Actually, there are coal powered cars. When WWII Germany had a problem with the Romanian Oil Fields and Refineries being bombed and disrupted, they processed coal into Fuel. The only reason that Coal isn't used today is that the cost per barrel of crude is so low. But we are now introducing more and more Shale Oil since the margin is higher than it used to be and the method used to extract oil from Shale has gone down. The methods used to convert coal into fuel is an old one. The Only Reason it's not up to the Shale level is that there has been almost zero funds in developing it. But someday, the cost of crude will allow even coal to be used as fuel oil.

As for revenue, there are just so many ways to do that other than charging 1700 bucks a year to operate an electric vehicle. This is just another way to try and kill off an alternative powered vehicle. But the Big 3 and others see the handwriting on the wall and are quickly moving in that direction. Yes, it is unsettling to some but you can only delay progress, not stop it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Electric car cant do that.. [emoji16]

No, but the electric car will outperform the gas rig. If you want it to make that noise, install an audio system.

I've been thinking about putting together an electric dragster.

Remember Big Daddy?



And my Hero giving his ethos. Remember, Big Daddy was the first person to exceed 200 mph on a 1/4 mile.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yup, buy an electric car to save the planet and save on fossil fuel. Oh wait, it may cost you a few extra bucks to buy the vehicle, and a few more bucks to support the State.

Illinois might start charging $1,000 per year to own an electric vehicle: 'It's outrageous'

Sounds more like a tax on the rich. The problem is, middle class should be driving these. And putting a huge increase like that defeats the purpose. How about raising the cost to operate a gas guzzler instead. Or tax more on those things that pollute the air and water.

The Electric car is the future but not if only the rich can afford them.

We all saw this coming, someone has to pay for the roads



.

At 1700 bucks a pop, I really don't see it as an incentive. I see it as a bunch of Oil Mongrels paying politicians to try and kill off a competitor. I can see it being raised to 120 bucks. I pay that on my 15000 lb RV and my F-250 costs me almost a hundred a year. Colorado goes by vehicle weight with a minimum. The registration is only a small part of road and bridge maintenance. Consider this, we subsidize heavy trucks. If you go by the amount of damage each vehicle does, a heavy loaded out to 70,000 lbs would cost in the thousands of dollars to pay it's fair share. Believe it or not, the cars subsidize the heavies. If you didn't, that loaf of bread would be in excess of 200 bucks.

Auto registration is just ONE of the methods used to fund roads and bridges. It's just another method of taxes.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Does the looney left ever consider how the electricity that powers these over priced turds is made?
It's like how they have their cute little recycle containers but are oblivious to the fact that most of it ends up in the landfill anyway

Around here, it's made with Natural Gas, Hydroelectric, Solar and Wind. There are, I believe, one coal fired plant left and it's on the chopping block. And WE have the coal but are smart enough not to burn it for electricity. Right now, 20% of all electric power come from Hydro, Solar and Wind. And it gets more and more each year. And are you aware that Hydro, Solar and Wind cost less than either the Coal or Natural Gas plants to operate. The electricity locally here is Hydroelectric. We haven't had a gas or coal fired plant for about 40 years. I can't help it that where you are from, people are dumber than a Box of Rock. Just one rock in that box. A Box of rocks would be smarter.

What greases the gears on those facilities?

Politicians? Money? Corruption? Ok, I give up.

Oil. The same type of fossil fuel that is used to make the cars. The same type of fuel that semi trucks use to deliver parts and cars. The same type of fuel that fuels the iron workers that make the frames to those cars.

But let's focus on an individual's tiny part

Okay, let's do.

The parts last for years or even decades. And most can be recycled back to new production. Per car, it's a once oil bill. The Electric and the Gas car have the same requirements there.

Daily operation, the Electric wins hands down even if your electricity is generated by fossil fuel.

Do you need to use fossil fuels to drive the trucks to deliver those parts? No, not one bit. Welcome to the 21st century where Electric Trucks are slowly taking over. In City, Light Trucks, there is absolutely no reason to use anything other than electric power.

And you use the word "Grandpa", check my age.

I guess this idiot doesnt realize how much CO2 is created when they recycle. What isnt recycled goes to waste.. Good little socialist never understand the impact that Socialism causes even when shown PROOF by other Socialist countries.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Still need towing power for my boat, work trailer, other assorted toys. None of which are electric. Large V-8 for me for the long term.

Okay, let's talk about towing power. You have a 200 hp motor in your gas rig. I install a 180 hp electric motor in mine. Now we get to tow something. You have about 400 ftlbs of torque or more. I have 300. The difference is, I develop that HP and Torque at one RPM and you develop yours in a bell curve starting at zero. At Interstate speeds, you have the advantage. At lower speeds where most towing is done, the Electric has the advantage. And you have more high speed towing range. But even that is changing fast. A new Battery (half dry cell battery and half super capacitor) goes into full production. The cost is a fraction of either the Rare Earths with liquid solution or even the conventional Sealed Lead Acids. And that battery can take almost instant charges and has a life expectancy of over 100,000 recharging times. That's a lot of years. Plus, it's a fraction of the size meaning, you can have a hell of a lot more onboard batteries and get some really tremendous range and power. 2025 us going to rewrite all the rules and we need to figure out how to deal with it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Around here, it's made with Natural Gas, Hydroelectric, Solar and Wind. There are, I believe, one coal fired plant left and it's on the chopping block. And WE have the coal but are smart enough not to burn it for electricity. Right now, 20% of all electric power come from Hydro, Solar and Wind. And it gets more and more each year. And are you aware that Hydro, Solar and Wind cost less than either the Coal or Natural Gas plants to operate. The electricity locally here is Hydroelectric. We haven't had a gas or coal fired plant for about 40 years. I can't help it that where you are from, people are dumber than a Box of Rock. Just one rock in that box. A Box of rocks would be smarter.

What greases the gears on those facilities?

Politicians? Money? Corruption? Ok, I give up.

Oil. The same type of fossil fuel that is used to make the cars. The same type of fuel that semi trucks use to deliver parts and cars. The same type of fuel that fuels the iron workers that make the frames to those cars.

But let's focus on an individual's tiny part

Okay, let's do.

The parts last for years or even decades. And most can be recycled back to new production. Per car, it's a once oil bill. The Electric and the Gas car have the same requirements there.

Daily operation, the Electric wins hands down even if your electricity is generated by fossil fuel.

Do you need to use fossil fuels to drive the trucks to deliver those parts? No, not one bit. Welcome to the 21st century where Electric Trucks are slowly taking over. In City, Light Trucks, there is absolutely no reason to use anything other than electric power.

And you use the word "Grandpa", check my age.

I guess this idiot doesnt realize how much CO2 is created when they recycle. What isnt recycled goes to waste.. Good little socialist never understand the impact that Socialism causes even when shown PROOF by other Socialist countries.

It's time to thin the gene pool once again. Have a nice day.

 

[fncceo]

2025 us going to rewrite all the rules and we need to figure out how to deal with it.

If you have to pass laws, create subsidies, and impose taxes to get people to drive electric cars ... then they are not ready for the market.

Come back and sell me a car when it's ready for the market.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I wouldn't drive one ... but I believe children should.

You should drive one, a Tesla, so you don't sound like an ignorant fool.

2019 Tesla Model S
#1 in Luxury Large Cars

2019 Tesla Model 3
#1 in Luxury Small Cars

2019 Jaguar I-Pace
#2 out of 16 in Luxury Compact SUVs

My son has the Model 3. Nice car. As all electric, it's fast and the torque is instantaneous. Cost way too much, but he has money to burn.

The biggest single cost for the Tesla is the Batteries. Tesla just Merged (bought) Maxwell Batteries. Maxwell has a new battery that works now. It goes into production in 2025. It's part dry cell battery and part Super Capacitor. It can be fully charged from almost zero to full change in a matter of minutes, isn't suseptible to temperature, doesn't need to be cooled, and puts out many times per density of the current batteries. Just think of what we could have if we didn't almost completely stop development of the Battery for that 100 year stretch.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My work truck has nearly a quarter million miles on it and I FREQUENTLY haul in excess of 1000 lbs.
It has never had any major failures and almost every repair it has ever needed I have done myself.
That isn't going to happen with an electric truck.
Keep those toys for the libs and kids.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

2025 us going to rewrite all the rules and we need to figure out how to deal with it.

If you have to pass laws, create subsidies, and impose taxes to get people to drive electric cars ... then they are not ready for the market.

Come back and sell me a car when it's ready for the market.

Dinosaurs are not able to purchase new things. You have no market value.

 

[fncceo]

2025 us going to rewrite all the rules and we need to figure out how to deal with it.

If you have to pass laws, create subsidies, and impose taxes to get people to drive electric cars ... then they are not ready for the market.

Come back and sell me a car when it's ready for the market.

Dinosaurs are not able to purchase new things. You have no market value.

That is perhaps the dumbest analogy I've ever seen on the Internet ... well done.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What greases the gears on those facilities?

Politicians? Money? Corruption? Ok, I give up.

Oil. The same type of fossil fuel that is used to make the cars. The same type of fuel that semi trucks use to deliver parts and cars. The same type of fuel that fuels the iron workers that make the frames to those cars.

But let's focus on an individual's tiny part

Okay, let's do.

The parts last for years or even decades. And most can be recycled back to new production. Per car, it's a once oil bill. The Electric and the Gas car have the same requirements there.

Daily operation, the Electric wins hands down even if your electricity is generated by fossil fuel.

Do you need to use fossil fuels to drive the trucks to deliver those parts? No, not one bit. Welcome to the 21st century where Electric Trucks are slowly taking over. In City, Light Trucks, there is absolutely no reason to use anything other than electric power.

And you use the word "Grandpa", check my age.

I guess this idiot doesnt realize how much CO2 is created when they recycle. What isnt recycled goes to waste.. Good little socialist never understand the impact that Socialism causes even when shown PROOF by other Socialist countries.

It's time to thin the gene pool once again. Have a nice day.

You want to save the planet by removing CO2, then do US all a favor. Take a few other liberals with you.

 

[Darkwind]

I wouldn't drive one ... but I believe children should.

You should drive one, a Tesla, so you don't sound like an ignorant fool.

2019 Tesla Model S
#1 in Luxury Large Cars

2019 Tesla Model 3
#1 in Luxury Small Cars

2019 Jaguar I-Pace
#2 out of 16 in Luxury Compact SUVs

My son has the Model 3. Nice car. As all electric, it's fast and the torque is instantaneous. Cost way too much, but he has money to burn.

The biggest single cost for the Tesla is the Batteries. Tesla just Merged (bought) Maxwell Batteries. Maxwell has a new battery that works now. It goes into production in 2025. It's part dry cell battery and part Super Capacitor. It can be fully charged from almost zero to full change in a matter of minutes, isn't suseptible to temperature, doesn't need to be cooled, and puts out many times per density of the current batteries. Just think of what we could have if we didn't almost completely stop development of the Battery for that 100 year stretch.

Cool.

He didn't buy it to save the earth. He just likes it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

My work truck has nearly a quarter million miles on it and I FREQUENTLY haul in excess of 1000 lbs.
It has never had any major failures and almost every repair it has ever needed I have done myself.
That isn't going to happen with an electric truck.
Keep those toys for the libs and kids.

And my EV makes frequent parts runs for vehicles like yours. I built it myself from the ground up. Once it was built, it's had almost zero maintenance done on it short of cleaning connectors from time to time. Meanwhile, my heavy hauler, a Big Ford, has been great on dependability but I am getting ready to spend a couple of thousand to keep it on the road. Sorry, new trucks, but that old 1988 Ford still runs circles around you. But it never met a gas pump it didn't like.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

My work truck has nearly a quarter million miles on it and I FREQUENTLY haul in excess of 1000 lbs.
It has never had any major failures and almost every repair it has ever needed I have done myself.
That isn't going to happen with an electric truck.
Keep those toys for the libs and kids.

Here is a Democrat Voter, typical of the Socialist Elites, who say one thing, then do exactly opposite what they say we are to do. Wouldn't it be environmentally better to fly public or use a train, instead of a "PRIVATE" jet?

Check out Drake's new private jet

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My work truck has nearly a quarter million miles on it and I FREQUENTLY haul in excess of 1000 lbs.
It has never had any major failures and almost every repair it has ever needed I have done myself.
That isn't going to happen with an electric truck.
Keep those toys for the libs and kids.

And my EV makes frequent parts runs for vehicles like yours. I built it myself from the ground up. Once it was built, it's had almost zero maintenance done on it short of cleaning connectors from time to time. Meanwhile, my heavy hauler, a Big Ford, has been great on dependability but I am getting ready to spend a couple of thousand to keep it on the road. Sorry, new trucks, but that old 1988 Ford still runs circles around you. But it never met a gas pump it didn't like.

And I can replace those parts myself without an engineering degree. The only thing I can't do is the computer shit.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

My work truck has nearly a quarter million miles on it and I FREQUENTLY haul in excess of 1000 lbs.
It has never had any major failures and almost every repair it has ever needed I have done myself.
That isn't going to happen with an electric truck.
Keep those toys for the libs and kids.

And my EV makes frequent parts runs for vehicles like yours. I built it myself from the ground up. Once it was built, it's had almost zero maintenance done on it short of cleaning connectors from time to time. Meanwhile, my heavy hauler, a Big Ford, has been great on dependability but I am getting ready to spend a couple of thousand to keep it on the road. Sorry, new trucks, but that old 1988 Ford still runs circles around you. But it never met a gas pump it didn't like.

And I can replace those parts myself without an engineering degree. The only thing I can't do is the computer shit.

The simplicity of my parts hauler is wonderful. I have one central computer called a controller. All other components are very straight forward. If it runs and my lights don't work, it's probably the electrical converter which costs very little to replace or diagnose. If it doesn't go then there are only about 3 parts, once the connections have been tested, that can cause it and two out of the 3 cost very little including it's main controller. There is nothing that a normal person can't fix using a PSM-6 (miltimeter). And trust me, I am not even close to an Engineer unless you count my time operating Miniature Railroads.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yup, buy an electric car to save the planet and save on fossil fuel. Oh wait, it may cost you a few extra bucks to buy the vehicle, and a few more bucks to support the State.

Illinois might start charging $1,000 per year to own an electric vehicle: 'It's outrageous'

Sounds more like a tax on the rich. The problem is, middle class should be driving these. And putting a huge increase like that defeats the purpose. How about raising the cost to operate a gas guzzler instead. Or tax more on those things that pollute the air and water.

The Electric car is the future but not if only the rich can afford them.

We all saw this coming, someone has to pay for the roads



.

At 1700 bucks a pop, I really don't see it as an incentive. I see it as a bunch of Oil Mongrels paying politicians to try and kill off a competitor. I can see it being raised to 120 bucks. I pay that on my 15000 lb RV and my F-250 costs me almost a hundred a year. Colorado goes by vehicle weight with a minimum. The registration is only a small part of road and bridge maintenance. Consider this, we subsidize heavy trucks. If you go by the amount of damage each vehicle does, a heavy loaded out to 70,000 lbs would cost in the thousands of dollars to pay it's fair share. Believe it or not, the cars subsidize the heavies. If you didn't, that loaf of bread would be in excess of 200 bucks.

Auto registration is just ONE of the methods used to fund roads and bridges. It's just another method of taxes.

No disagreement from me, but with out those goods..... We are going to pay one way or another..

On a side note, thinking of moving from Wyoming to Colorado (have a job offer to run a small ski lodge ) how is the taxes/political climate down there?



.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Actually, there are coal powered cars. When WWII Germany had a problem with the Romanian Oil Fields and Refineries being bombed and disrupted, they processed coal into Fuel. The only reason that Coal isn't used today is that the cost per barrel of crude is so low. But we are now introducing more and more Shale Oil since the margin is higher than it used to be and the method used to extract oil from Shale has gone down. The methods used to convert coal into fuel is an old one. The Only Reason it's not up to the Shale level is that there has been almost zero funds in developing it. But someday, the cost of crude will allow even coal to be used as fuel oil.

Another way to use coal as an automobile fuel is to make the car run off electricity.

As for revenue, there are just so many ways to do that other than charging 1700 bucks a year to operate an electric vehicle.

Actually, it's only $1000, according to the article. But sure, there are other ways to raise the revenue. One way that has been very popular for decades is to charge a per gallon tax on gasoline. But coal powered vehicle users don't use gasoline.

This is just another way to try and kill off an alternative powered vehicle.

Don't be ridiculous.