Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[Hollie]

The term of the Armistice Lines was defined by the Armistice Agreement.

Indeed.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

S/1264/Corr.1 of 23 February 1949​

Indeed, your comment spectacularly failed because you missed timelines by decades.

 

[Shusha]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

 

[Slyhunter]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

bullshit.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

bullshit.

So, where is the dispute?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Once the Permanent Treaties are resolved and placed into effect, the Armistice Agreements desolve and are no longer an active or restrictive document.

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

The term of the Armistice Lines was defined by the Armistice Agreement.

The UN called the southern part of the territory Palestine in two different agreements and Israel signed both.

(COMMENT)

What the UN may call or participate in is unimportant. Treaties are strictly between Israel and individual Egypt and Jordan.

All that matters is that the once waring parties understand the intent of the Peace Treaty. Which they do. They have been in effect for decades without being contested.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Slyhunter]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

bullshit.

So, where is the dispute?

Israel disputes where the borders lie with Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

bullshit.

So, where is the dispute?

Israel disputes where the borders lie with Palestine.

Palestine has borders. Israel doesn't. What is the dispute?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Once the Permanent Treaties are resolved and placed into effect, the Armistice Agreements desolve and are no longer an active or restrictive document.

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

The term of the Armistice Lines was defined by the Armistice Agreement.

The UN called the southern part of the territory Palestine in two different agreements and Israel signed both.

(COMMENT)

What the UN may call or participate in is unimportant. Treaties are strictly between Israel and individual Egypt and Jordan.

All that matters is that the once waring parties understand the intent of the Peace Treaty. Which they do. They have been in effect for decades without being contested.

Most Respectfully,
R

Neither of them have authority over Palestine's borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Once the Permanent Treaties are resolved and placed into effect, the Armistice Agreements desolve and are no longer an active or restrictive document.

So then, why does every map of Israel have defunct armistice lines?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ et al,

Our friend "P F Tinmore has been trying to argue that the original boundaries of the former territory to which the Mandate Applied, is a permanent international boundary subject to change --- ONLY with the Aarab Palestinian approval.

When P F Tinmore says that Palestine already had permanent international boundaries, he means the entirely as described in the Palestinian National Charter; and which is sometimes described as the boundaries prior to the termination of the Mandate.

This would be entirely wrong, but you will never change his mind or the mind of the many many thousand that believe that to be the case.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

Not true. Israel has armistice lines (fake borders) while Palestine has international borders.

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

Oddly enough, we agree. The international borders are not in dispute. They are as clear as any border in the world.

The dispute is over internal borders and the question of partition in order for BOTH peoples to have self-determination and sovereignty. Its an internal civil conflict. The solution is in negotiation and peaceful mutual recognition. But Arabs don't seem to be able to cope with such a thing.

The truly weird thing about your argument is your complete denial in the existence of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Once the Permanent Treaties are resolved and placed into effect, the Armistice Agreements desolve and are no longer an active or restrictive document.

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

The term of the Armistice Lines was defined by the Armistice Agreement.

The UN called the southern part of the territory Palestine in two different agreements and Israel signed both.

(COMMENT)

What the UN may call or participate in is unimportant. Treaties are strictly between Israel and individual Egypt and Jordan.

All that matters is that the once waring parties understand the intent of the Peace Treaty. Which they do. They have been in effect for decades without being contested.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel signed both of those agreements. Then Israel turns around and claims borders on that territory.

 

[Slyhunter]

Oh please. There are no more armistice lines between Israel and Jordan and Egypt. They've all been dissolved with peace treaties. Israel has treaties with Jordan and Egypt defining (actually confirming) the international borders between their nations. Palestine has no treaties with anyone. (Excepting Oslo).

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

bullshit.

So, where is the dispute?

Israel disputes where the borders lie with Palestine.

Palestine has borders. Israel doesn't. What is the dispute?

The border between Israel and palestine is at dispute.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

And that is what is going to break into a rift between Hostile Arab Palestinians, like yourself, and other members of the Arab League.

What the UN may call or participate in is unimportant. Treaties are strictly between Israel and individual Egypt and Jordan.

All that matters is that the once waring parties understand the intent of the Peace Treaty. Which they do. They have been in effect for decades without being contested.

Most Respectfully,
R

Neither of them have authority over Palestine's borders.

(COMMENT)

This is just patently false.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

is a permanent international boundary subject to change --- ONLY with the Aarab Palestinian approval.

Where does it say it is not?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

And that is what is going to break into a rift between Hostile Arab Palestinians, like yourself, and other members of the Arab League.

What the UN may call or participate in is unimportant. Treaties are strictly between Israel and individual Egypt and Jordan.

All that matters is that the once waring parties understand the intent of the Peace Treaty. Which they do. They have been in effect for decades without being contested.

Most Respectfully,
R

Neither of them have authority over Palestine's borders.

(COMMENT)

This is just patently false.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where does it say that foreign parties have authority over Palestine's borders?

Link?

 

[Shusha]

Our friend "P F Tinmore has been trying to argue that the original boundaries of the former territory to which the Mandate Applied, is a permanent international boundary subject to change --- ONLY with the Aarab Palestinian approval.

Well, he is right. International boundaries can and do change with mutual agreement between Parties. So, effectively, the boundaries can only change with Arab Palestinian approval AND Israeli approval. That is what the peace process is.

The problem with Tinmore's argument is that he puts his fingers in his ears and pretends Israel doesn't exist. Indeed, is not permitted to exist.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The Armistice Lines are historical references; nothing more.

Once the Permanent Treaties are resolved and placed into effect, the Armistice Agreements desolve and are no longer an active or restrictive document.

So then, why does every map of Israel have defunct armistice lines?

(COMMENT)

But the Armistice ended on the engagement of the Peace Treaties. With the end of the Armistice, so went the Armistice Lines.

Most Resepctfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine does not need any treaties. None of their borders are disputed.

bullshit.

So, where is the dispute?

Israel disputes where the borders lie with Palestine.

Palestine has borders. Israel doesn't. What is the dispute?

The border between Israel and palestine is at dispute.

There is no border between Israel and Palestine. There is no dispute.