Saudi Arabia Tells Melania Trump She Can Skip The Hijab!
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I was replying to YOU. While there are certainly bigger fish to fry, every time a female American foreign official visits there, the dress code is discussed as an interesting point. If you don't find it interesting, good enough.Granted, Xelor, but I think the point is that in France, in Spain, etc. it isn't a LAW that a woman wear a scarf. In Saudi Arabia, it is.A hajib is nothing more than a scarf worn on a woman's head. One need not be Muslim to do that.
And you'll notice the Queen is wearing that scarf in no different fashion than is this Iranian Muslim woman.
This woman isn't even Muslim. She just thinks she looks cool with a scarf on her head.
Ditto
Women of all ages and religious affiliations have worn scarves on their heads for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.
If one is in Spain, the same thing that's called a hijab in the Arabic speaking world is called a mantilla.
And it's not at all uncommon to find not only Spanish women wearing mantillas, but also French Catholic women.
From what I can tell, the people who have something to say about women wearing headscarves are people who quite simply have never traveled far enough from their provincial hovel to see that women the world over wear scarves on their heads and that for women to do so when visiting a Muslim country is no burden. They need only treat is as yet another fashion accessory and go on about their business. As for the folks who have have something to say about hijabs, y'all really need to get out more.
That's the difference between fashion and a hijab.
I swear, some days when my hair is going every which way, I think a hijab would be a fine idea. But if I HAD to wear one, I'd feel differently about it.That may be your point, but it is not among the points articulated or implied in the OP. Indeed, the article cited notes that while the Saudis have sartorial expectations of visitors -- surprise, so do we in the U.S. -- The Saudi Foreign Minister stated, “We welcome any style in clothing.”
BTW, my point is that prattling about what garments one wears -- willfully or by requirement -- is among the most petty things going and that such lines of discussion, outside of a fashion event or some such, is making something whereof nothing need be made. There're bigger fish to fry, so to speak.
Given the Foreign Minister's comment, it appears that you don't have to wear one, even in Saudi Arabia.
iceberg
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they got off scarf free????? THE HUMANITY!!!
frigidweirdo
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Yes, it's about choice. It's about some people going to another country and saying "hey, let's be friendly, let's follow their rules", and for others it's about "let's act tough, let's show who's in charge, **** them, **** their shit".
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you were doing great til you had to make a choice you didn't like making evil.
not one sided at all, are you?
A hajib is nothing more than a scarf worn on a woman's head. One need not be Muslim to do that.
And you'll notice the Queen is wearing that scarf in no different fashion than is this Iranian Muslim woman.
This woman isn't even Muslim. She just thinks she looks cool with a scarf on her head.
Ditto
Women of all ages and religious affiliations have worn scarves on their heads for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.
If one is in Spain, the same thing that's called a hijab in the Arabic speaking world is called a mantilla.
And it's not at all uncommon to find not only Spanish women wearing mantillas, but also French Catholic women.
From what I can tell, the people who have something to say about women wearing headscarves are people who quite simply have never traveled far enough from their provincial hovel to see that women the world over wear scarves on their heads and that for women to do so when visiting a Muslim country is no burden. They need only treat is as yet another fashion accessory and go on about their business. As for the folks who have have something to say about hijabs, y'all really need to get out more.
The hijab is much more than "just a scarf" in Islam. It's mandated that women wear it, if they don't they get punished. It's also to prevent Muslim men from going into a rape gang frenzy. So stop comparing it to just wearing a scarf.
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Or just don't notice anything if it isn't within eyesight of Texas.
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Okay, some grammar might clear up what you want to say.
One sided? No, I have my opinions and I will say them. So you think that's one sided, I couldn't give a shit.
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yea, like michelle and hillary played nice and trump & co said **** DAT CHIT!
you wanna be a biased tool, go for it.
frigidweirdo
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Well, the way you're talking to me, makes me thing you're a "biased tool", so....
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sometimes people just come across differently and it takes a bit to back away and see if either of us are right.
i'll back away and just read a bit and apologies if i misfired on something you've said.
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Wow.
usmbguest5318
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Since Obama got one, too, maybe you will be a little less dismissive about it?I agree there's no sin or crime to enjoying flattery. The thing with Trump is the role flattery plays in his assessments of people and how he responds to their requests and suggestions. In the private sector, that is what is it is and one can do that at will. As a public servant, it's unacceptable.He's absolutely loving this. Nothing wrong with that, though.They know flattery will get them "everywhere" with Trump.they gave Trump some sort of gold medal!
I'm not sure just what they gave him. It may well be he doesn't get to keep it anyway.
RIYADH: Saudi Arabia’s King Salman on Saturday presented Donald Trump with the Kingdom’s top civilian honor, as the US president began a trip to Riyadh aimed at strengthening security and economic ties.
The king placed the Collar of Abdulaziz Al Saud around Trump’s neck at a ceremony at the Royal Court in Riyadh.
The host of the event declared that Trump was being honored for “his quest to enhance security and stability in the region and around the world.”
The honor has also been bestowed to Russian President Vladimir Putin, British Prime Minister Theresa May and Trump’s predecessor, Barack Obama.
King Salman presents Trump with Saudi Arabia’s top civilian honor
No.
The fact that he received the honor isn't remotely what I find troubling. His and Obama's receiving the thing has everything to do with the generosity of the people who gave it to them, and rich, to say nothing of royal, Arabs (actually Arabs in general), if nothing else, are known for their generosity and hospitality. One won't find anything like it elsewhere on the planet, or at least I have not. [1]
The issue is Trump's ego and how he responds to flattery and being feted.
- Interviews reveal how Bannon used flattery to manipulate Trump into alt-right policies (How Bannon flattered and coaxed Trump on policies key to the alt-right)
- Donald Trump Is an Emotional Weakling. Here’s How to Manipulate Him.
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- The Brilliance of Paul Ryan's Putinesque Approach to Trump
Note:
- Trust me, if you have Middle Eastern Arab friends who invite you to visit, accept their offer; you'll have a fantastic time...Just be courteous enough to take (or have sent ahead) gifts for your host and his/her family. I don't even bother packing more than one change of clothes when I visit my Middle Eastern friends for there's amazingly good shopping there and shopping is going to happen. As best I can tell, it's just part of what one does, along with praying (or at least being respectful while one's hosts do), eating, sleeping and partying, while visiting.
usmbguest5318
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I was replying to YOU. While there are certainly bigger fish to fry, every time a female American foreign official visits there, the dress code is discussed as an interesting point. If you don't find it interesting, good enough.Granted, Xelor, but I think the point is that in France, in Spain, etc. it isn't a LAW that a woman wear a scarf. In Saudi Arabia, it is.A hajib is nothing more than a scarf worn on a woman's head. One need not be Muslim to do that.
And you'll notice the Queen is wearing that scarf in no different fashion than is this Iranian Muslim woman.
This woman isn't even Muslim. She just thinks she looks cool with a scarf on her head.
Ditto
Women of all ages and religious affiliations have worn scarves on their heads for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.
If one is in Spain, the same thing that's called a hijab in the Arabic speaking world is called a mantilla.
And it's not at all uncommon to find not only Spanish women wearing mantillas, but also French Catholic women.
From what I can tell, the people who have something to say about women wearing headscarves are people who quite simply have never traveled far enough from their provincial hovel to see that women the world over wear scarves on their heads and that for women to do so when visiting a Muslim country is no burden. They need only treat is as yet another fashion accessory and go on about their business. As for the folks who have have something to say about hijabs, y'all really need to get out more.
That's the difference between fashion and a hijab.
I swear, some days when my hair is going every which way, I think a hijab would be a fine idea. But if I HAD to wear one, I'd feel differently about it.That may be your point, but it is not among the points articulated or implied in the OP. Indeed, the article cited notes that while the Saudis have sartorial expectations of visitors -- surprise, so do we in the U.S. -- The Saudi Foreign Minister stated, “We welcome any style in clothing.”
BTW, my point is that prattling about what garments one wears -- willfully or by requirement -- is among the most petty things going and that such lines of discussion, outside of a fashion event or some such, is making something whereof nothing need be made. There're bigger fish to fry, so to speak.
Given the Foreign Minister's comment, it appears that you don't have to wear one, even in Saudi Arabia.
It's interesting in the sense that "knowledge for knowledge's sake" is interesting. Is it a political topic and thus interesting in that dimension? No.
usmbguest5318
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A hajib is nothing more than a scarf worn on a woman's head. One need not be Muslim to do that.
And you'll notice the Queen is wearing that scarf in no different fashion than is this Iranian Muslim woman.
This woman isn't even Muslim. She just thinks she looks cool with a scarf on her head.
Ditto
Women of all ages and religious affiliations have worn scarves on their heads for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.
If one is in Spain, the same thing that's called a hijab in the Arabic speaking world is called a mantilla.
And it's not at all uncommon to find not only Spanish women wearing mantillas, but also French Catholic women.
From what I can tell, the people who have something to say about women wearing headscarves are people who quite simply have never traveled far enough from their provincial hovel to see that women the world over wear scarves on their heads and that for women to do so when visiting a Muslim country is no burden. They need only treat is as yet another fashion accessory and go on about their business. As for the folks who have have something to say about hijabs, y'all really need to get out more.
The hijab is much more than "just a scarf" in Islam. It's mandated that women wear it, if they don't they get punished. It's also to prevent Muslim men from going into a rape gang frenzy. So stop comparing it to just wearing a scarf.
Someone might have once thought it was for that. You may have heard as much too. That you think that's what a hijab truly is for -- enough that you'd state as much in public -- thus why Muslim women wear them, suggests to me that you think the Easter Bunny is real and that there's probably some oceanfront property in Arizona that you can be convinced to buy.
Insofar as Muslim men routinely encounter women not wearing a hijab and don't in a frenzy rape them, something other than a hijab must be stopping them from doing so.
To a Muslim women, yes, a hijab has significance beyond that of a sartorial accessory, but we're not talking about Muslim women; we're discussing Melania Trump. Melania Trump is not Muslim, so for her, it's just a scarf. She can don one and "work it" much as she does most any other garment/accessory she wears. The woman's beautiful and a former model. I'm sure she can make wearing a scarf -- hijab, mantilla, bandana, do rag, or whatever other name one wants to use for it -- look "banging" good.
Do you think Grace Kelly thought she was wearing anything other than a scarf?
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koshergrl - You idiot.
You were among the RWNJ traitors who threw a fit when First Lady Michelle Obama went bare headed.
The OP is, as usual, wrong that this is some sort of honor or something née.
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Michelle Obama didn't wear one.
Neither did Laura Bush
Melania's not exactly blazing new trails here.
Thanks for the pics.
No western women have covered their heads for quite a long time.
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They've seen her in lesbian porn pics too.
And, the whole world saw very revealing pics of Ivanka, before and after daddy buying those enormous boobs.
What an embarrassment that bunch is.
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