Sanctuary City Question Leaves Gibbs Stammering

[Ravi]

Haven't we figured this out yet? AZ is doing nothing that they haven't always done if they find an illegal. They turn them over to ICE. Under their new law if they find an Illegal they will again and still turn them over to ICE. (and ICE will probably free them on this side of the border)

The only real change is that AZ will be busting more illegals and ICE will be setting more of them free.

Oh, and the Federal law suit, Obamas DOJ should loose this one easily.

Uh...no...they arrest them and hold them in jail and don't turn them over to ICE. That is the law they made...it is illegal to be in Arizona if you aren't a citizen or have a green card.

Subtle, yet different.

Clearly you need to read the law again. lol

They will only be held until ICE takes them. If Ice refuses to take them, well then who knows lol. That is kinda the whole point of the law. If the Feds were doing their job Arizona would never have passed their law.

ICE doesn't have the budget to deal with 20 million illegals. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Where in the constitution does it say cities must enforce Federal immigration policy?

The same place where it says cities must enforce federal housing policies, and federal civil rights policies.

It's not the same thing.

Explain the difference.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

States aren't required to enforce Federal immigration policy. States aren't free to enact laws that allow them to arrest people for violating federal immigration policy.

Not sure where the confusion lies...but obviously many of you are confused.

The confusion lies in your head.

Federal law allows state and local law enforcement to assist in enforcing immigration law. Arizona is not trying to enforce policy, and the portions of the law requiring employers to check the immigration status of the people they hire are actually required by federal law, Arizona just imposes harsher penalties on employers who violate it. The feds routinely argue that states have the right to make laws that are tougher than federal laws, even if those laws actually affect producers on a national level. They will happily file a brief in favor of California's new requirement that all eggs sold in their state come from hens with enough room to move around, even if those eggs come from outside the border of California.

Believe it or not, this is entirely a partisan and politically motivated suit, one that is opposed even by the current Democratic candidate for the governor of Arizona. If you want to maintain your reputation as a partisan hack, feel free to keep posting in favor of the suit against Arizona.

Torn in Two Different Directions - Video - FoxNews.com

Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

Yet the Democrat attorney general, who should be on your side, is calling out Obama saying the DoJ is wrong in going after the state. You have to remember, this is the same guy who thinks like you do, that the law is racist, yet he is still saying Obama is not doing the job, and the state has the right, and duty, to pick up the slack.

 

[saveliberty]

States aren't required to enforce Federal immigration policy. States aren't free to enact laws that allow them to arrest people for violating federal immigration policy.

Not sure where the confusion lies...but obviously many of you are confused.

The confusion lies in your head.

Federal law allows state and local law enforcement to assist in enforcing immigration law. Arizona is not trying to enforce policy, and the portions of the law requiring employers to check the immigration status of the people they hire are actually required by federal law, Arizona just imposes harsher penalties on employers who violate it. The feds routinely argue that states have the right to make laws that are tougher than federal laws, even if those laws actually affect producers on a national level. They will happily file a brief in favor of California's new requirement that all eggs sold in their state come from hens with enough room to move around, even if those eggs come from outside the border of California.

Believe it or not, this is entirely a partisan and politically motivated suit, one that is opposed even by the current Democratic candidate for the governor of Arizona. If you want to maintain your reputation as a partisan hack, feel free to keep posting in favor of the suit against Arizona.

Torn in Two Different Directions - Video - FoxNews.com

Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?

 

[GHook93]

States aren't required to enforce Federal immigration policy. States aren't free to enact laws that allow them to arrest people for violating federal immigration policy.

Not sure where the confusion lies...but obviously many of you are confused.

I have to agree with Conhog, you're retard! States are required to protect their citizens. States have police forces and national guards. They are FULLY responsible to protect the well being of its citizens.

 

[hortysir]

Arizona tries to regulate immigration. Sanctuary cities do not. Immigration regulation is solely a federal power. I guess Gibbs doesn't know his Constitution.

Deregulating immigration isn't a power of a city or state either. Hope you felt smart with that answer over night. Good morning, reality calling.

How is either case regulating or deregulating immigration, itself?
AZ is choosing to prosecute violators.
Sanctuaries purposely ignore law-breakers.
I'll take the former over the latter any day, thank you.....

 

[txlonghorn]

I love to watch his wheel turn...sadly that little rat doesn't move to quick

 

[Charles_Main]

Uh...no...they arrest them and hold them in jail and don't turn them over to ICE. That is the law they made...it is illegal to be in Arizona if you aren't a citizen or have a green card.

Subtle, yet different.

Clearly you need to read the law again. lol

They will only be held until ICE takes them. If Ice refuses to take them, well then who knows lol. That is kinda the whole point of the law. If the Feds were doing their job Arizona would never have passed their law.

ICE doesn't have the budget to deal with 20 million illegals. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Put your money where your mouth is.

ROFLMAO

Did you hurt yourself reaching that far? First off the reason ICE is not enforcing the Law has NOTHING to do with money. It is about votes. That is the reason both Parties ignore the problem. The Dems know they will gain votes by opposing even enforcing the laws, and Republicans are dumb enough to think they can gain Votes by seeming nice to Hispanics.

As far as the cost, We Spend Billions a year on illegals. One study says about 90 BILLION a year nation wide between Jailing them, And providing services to them. Even counting the ones who pay some taxes we Lose 90 Billion a year and the best you got is we can't afford to deal with em. LOL

So make em all legal and ENFORCE THE GOD DAMN BORDER.

Oh and Isn't odd how she uses 20 Million when she wants it to seem expensive yet her Hero Obama says there are only 11 Million :0)

 

[Meister]

I love to watch his wheel turn...sadly that little rat doesn't move to quick

True, but obama really doesn't give Gibbs very much to work with.

 

[Charles_Main]

The confusion lies in your head.

Federal law allows state and local law enforcement to assist in enforcing immigration law. Arizona is not trying to enforce policy, and the portions of the law requiring employers to check the immigration status of the people they hire are actually required by federal law, Arizona just imposes harsher penalties on employers who violate it. The feds routinely argue that states have the right to make laws that are tougher than federal laws, even if those laws actually affect producers on a national level. They will happily file a brief in favor of California's new requirement that all eggs sold in their state come from hens with enough room to move around, even if those eggs come from outside the border of California.

Believe it or not, this is entirely a partisan and politically motivated suit, one that is opposed even by the current Democratic candidate for the governor of Arizona. If you want to maintain your reputation as a partisan hack, feel free to keep posting in favor of the suit against Arizona.

Torn in Two Different Directions - Video - FoxNews.com

Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?

No she just hates being wrong and wont shut up. Even though she has been wrong on every single thing she has said in this thread.

 

[Big Fitz]

Funny how states rights theorists believe in states rights but only as long as they think the states are right, isn't it?

Oh for the lovea...

And you expect to get away clean after dropping such an obvious chunk shit and blame it on the dog? How many times have you and your progressofascist buddies dropped a little 'federal authority' argument but only when they're right and then conveniently forgotten the dozens of times they were wrong?

Pure as a car splashed mud puddle at a gas station.

 

[Big Fitz]

I love to watch his wheel turn...sadly that little rat doesn't move to quick

That's a Gibbs replicant. The real Gibbs, the mouse is dead.

 

[Charles_Main]

Ravi seems to think what people want is for the government to round up every illegal alien in the country and deport them. Yet only a small minority even want that. Most just want Illegals with Criminal Records deported as they are caught on other crimes, and would be willing to accept the ones who have never committed a crime other than border jumping getting citizenship. I know I would. Provided that we take real serious steps to STOP the flow of new illegals.

Ravi let me ask you a serious question, No insults here just a question. Do you really agree with the FACT that on a daily bases people that are here illegally are picked up by Police for non related felonies and then Re released back into the country. Can you not at least agree that any illegal caught on a separate crime, should be deported as soon as their sentence is up? Is that not logical? were not talking about people getting a speeding ticket. I mean Felons, Rapists, Murders, Child Abusers, Drug Runners. People like this have been and are routinely picked up and end up Released back into the population. How can you be for that? Can you not at least agree to that idea? or do you actually believe the US does not have the right to Deport Illegals who commit felonies? Or is it that you just can't bring yourself to admit Obama might have made a mistake here, or simply stuck to his ideology despite of the facts? Not trying to say you are dumb, But you clearly have shown ignorance about the Arizona law itself even though I provided a link. You claimed the Law allows Arizona to "jail them indefinitely" when it clearly says they will be held until turned over to Federal Authorities.

Do you really think People in Arizona are just racists? Have you even been there. I have many times as a trucker, and let me tell you Whites and Hispanics live side by side there, and get along very well. And in fact they share the same view of this law for the most part. A Majority of Hispanics in Arizona Support the law. See they do that because they actually live there, and know first hand of the problems with an uncontrolled border and lax enforcement.

Obama has made 4 Big Political Gaffs since being in office IMO (there are more but only 4 Huge ones that are really going to hurt him.) One was pushing a health care bill that did not satisfy his base and was opposed by more than half the country. two was and is the appallingly bad response to the oil spill, the other 2 are both involving this law. First painting Arizonians and anyone who supports this Bill as a racist and second by starting this ridicules law suit that is going to blow up in his face and severely damage him.

Normally it is 3 strikes and you are out, and that is 4 IMO

 

[Ravi]

The confusion lies in your head.

Federal law allows state and local law enforcement to assist in enforcing immigration law. Arizona is not trying to enforce policy, and the portions of the law requiring employers to check the immigration status of the people they hire are actually required by federal law, Arizona just imposes harsher penalties on employers who violate it. The feds routinely argue that states have the right to make laws that are tougher than federal laws, even if those laws actually affect producers on a national level. They will happily file a brief in favor of California's new requirement that all eggs sold in their state come from hens with enough room to move around, even if those eggs come from outside the border of California.

Believe it or not, this is entirely a partisan and politically motivated suit, one that is opposed even by the current Democratic candidate for the governor of Arizona. If you want to maintain your reputation as a partisan hack, feel free to keep posting in favor of the suit against Arizona.

Torn in Two Different Directions - Video - FoxNews.com

Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

Yet the Democrat attorney general, who should be on your side, is calling out Obama saying the DoJ is wrong in going after the state. You have to remember, this is the same guy who thinks like you do, that the law is racist, yet he is still saying Obama is not doing the job, and the state has the right, and duty, to pick up the slack.

I cannot control the thoughts of others, nor do I form my opinions based on what Democrats say.

 

[Ravi]

The confusion lies in your head.

Federal law allows state and local law enforcement to assist in enforcing immigration law. Arizona is not trying to enforce policy, and the portions of the law requiring employers to check the immigration status of the people they hire are actually required by federal law, Arizona just imposes harsher penalties on employers who violate it. The feds routinely argue that states have the right to make laws that are tougher than federal laws, even if those laws actually affect producers on a national level. They will happily file a brief in favor of California's new requirement that all eggs sold in their state come from hens with enough room to move around, even if those eggs come from outside the border of California.

Believe it or not, this is entirely a partisan and politically motivated suit, one that is opposed even by the current Democratic candidate for the governor of Arizona. If you want to maintain your reputation as a partisan hack, feel free to keep posting in favor of the suit against Arizona.

Torn in Two Different Directions - Video - FoxNews.com

Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?

Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

 

[Ravi]

States aren't required to enforce Federal immigration policy. States aren't free to enact laws that allow them to arrest people for violating federal immigration policy.

Not sure where the confusion lies...but obviously many of you are confused.

I have to agree with Conhog, you're retard! States are required to protect their citizens. States have police forces and national guards. They are FULLY responsible to protect the well being of its citizens.

So why doesn't Brewer declare a state of emergency and deploy her NG along the border if her citizens need protection from drug dealers?

 

[Ravi]

Funny how states rights theorists believe in states rights but only as long as they think the states are right, isn't it?

Oh for the lovea...

And you expect to get away clean after dropping such an obvious chunk shit and blame it on the dog? How many times have you and your progressofascist buddies dropped a little 'federal authority' argument but only when they're right and then conveniently forgotten the dozens of times they were wrong?

Pure as a car splashed mud puddle at a gas station.

All that blathering doesn't mean anything. His point is valid.

 

[Ravi]

Ravi seems to think what people want is for the government to round up every illegal alien in the country and deport them. Yet only a small minority even want that. Most just want Illegals with Criminal Records deported as they are caught on other crimes, and would be willing to accept the ones who have never committed a crime other than border jumping getting citizenship. I know I would. Provided that we take real serious steps to STOP the flow of new illegals.

Ravi let me ask you a serious question, No insults here just a question. Do you really agree with the FACT that on a daily bases people that are here illegally are picked up by Police for non related felonies and then Re released back into the country. Can you not at least agree that any illegal caught on a separate crime, should be deported as soon as their sentence is up? Is that not logical? were not talking about people getting a speeding ticket. I mean Felons, Rapists, Murders, Child Abusers, Drug Runners. People like this have been and are routinely picked up and end up Released back into the population. How can you be for that? Can you not at least agree to that idea? or do you actually believe the US does not have the right to Deport Illegals who commit felonies? Or is it that you just can't bring yourself to admit Obama might have made a mistake here, or simply stuck to his ideology despite of the facts? Not trying to say you are dumb, But you clearly have shown ignorance about the Arizona law itself even though I provided a link. You claimed the Law allows Arizona to "jail them indefinitely" when it clearly says they will be held until turned over to Federal Authorities.

Do you really think People in Arizona are just racists? Have you even been there. I have many times as a trucker, and let me tell you Whites and Hispanics live side by side there, and get along very well. And in fact they share the same view of this law for the most part. A Majority of Hispanics in Arizona Support the law. See they do that because they actually live there, and know first hand of the problems with an uncontrolled border and lax enforcement.

Obama has made 4 Big Political Gaffs since being in office IMO (there are more but only 4 Huge ones that are really going to hurt him.) One was pushing a health care bill that did not satisfy his base and was opposed by more than half the country. two was and is the appallingly bad response to the oil spill, the other 2 are both involving this law. First painting Arizonians and anyone who supports this Bill as a racist and second by starting this ridicules law suit that is going to blow up in his face and severely damage him.

Normally it is 3 strikes and you are out, and that is 4 IMO

Yes, I think felons should be deported after they serve their time. And they are.

No, I don't think the majority of people in Arizona are racist...I think they are frothing at the mouth because politicians have whipped up their fears and now they are looking on people with suspicion simply because they are not anglos.

 

[The T]

Sanctuary City Question Leaves Gibbs Stammering , page 1


This is to funny. I told you Obama had opened up a can of worms he didn't want opened by suing over his law.

It is a very logical and legitimate question.

If Arizona can not pass a law that mimics Federal Immigration law, because of Federal Supremacy on the issue of Border control and immigration. Then why is the Obama Admin not suing every Sanctuary City. All who have passed laws in direct conflict with standing Federal Immigration law.

Gotta love Gibbs non answer.

I can't wait to here the excused the dream up for this one.

Because these 'Sanctuary Cities' heavily voted for Obama. What we see here is a DOJ that has dual standards when it comes to enforcing LAW.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?

Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

Why is carjacking a federal crime? Or possession of a single small rock of crack?