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You´re wrong.They will come sooner or later and in large numbers. That´s for sure.A technical issue I guess. Read the article, the platform seems to be planned to serve for decades. Not that the Russians are in a hurry with a new MBT. They have still 20000 MBTs in service.Jane's is pretty impressed with the tank for sure, but with the extremely low production numbers I don't think they will be much if a problem. 132 total systems in the pipe I think, the majority if which are configured as infantry carriers. None delivered so far as far as I know.
So they have 12 of them, plans for another 20 and NOTHING past that. And they were in a hurry, until they realized the couldn't afford it and cancelled their order. The US has developed dozens of weapons of which only a handful get made before the program gets shut down and orders cancelled.
The backbone of that group is the T-72 (saw how they competed vs. previous gen of Abrams). Then the T-80 (based on the T-64 with some T-72 features) which the US had obtained and tested against and who's only use in armed conflict was a failure (1st Chechen war) and high costs kept out of later conflicts.
And the T-90 (a T72 variant which was given a new name to feel modern and not based off a 50 year old design) which is being sold around the world.
What about cancelling an order of modern tanks to instead go back to the drawing board with refurbishing cold war era tanks that have proven not to be able to compete with the Abrams gives them the "modern force"?
According to Russia itself there is no further orders for any new T-14's. Why do you dislike facts so much?
Either you are intentionally lying here or ignorant of the situation.
2016. Wheres your date for the 2018 articles?First link = From 2015 with lots of speculation about arms sales that "might" happen. Do you have an actual example of weapons sales as a result of Syria war?
Second link = "the actual correlation between deployment of weapons and consequent increase in sales has not yet been established, essentially because more time is needed for a proper analysis."
Third link = Lacks context or evidence, simply implying some of their sales might be because of tanks performance in Syria tells us nothing of value
Fourth link = from 2016, clearly can't be used to dispute drop in Russian arms sales in 2018-2019
You were posting crap from 2016 that was mostly speculation. The article posted about actual drop in Russian arms sales has date under the headline.2016. Wheres your date for the 2018 articles?
Producing 12 fighters or 100 tanks isn't just non-significant numbers, it's a publicity spin on the word CANCEL.But maybe, this is a new development as Russia doesn´t produce all the fancy new stuff in significant numbers.
Russia = our new policy will be to market hype weapons and promise to make thousands of them, then actually build enough to barely fulfill May Day parade needs.However, even in the worst time after the collapse, arms development continued. They just had to change their policy due to Western Iron Curtain building.
You don´t.You´re wrong.They will come sooner or later and in large numbers. That´s for sure.So they have 12 of them, plans for another 20 and NOTHING past that. And they were in a hurry, until they realized the couldn't afford it and cancelled their order. The US has developed dozens of weapons of which only a handful get made before the program gets shut down and orders cancelled.
The backbone of that group is the T-72 (saw how they competed vs. previous gen of Abrams). Then the T-80 (based on the T-64 with some T-72 features) which the US had obtained and tested against and who's only use in armed conflict was a failure (1st Chechen war) and high costs kept out of later conflicts.
And the T-90 (a T72 variant which was given a new name to feel modern and not based off a 50 year old design) which is being sold around the world.
What about cancelling an order of modern tanks to instead go back to the drawing board with refurbishing cold war era tanks that have proven not to be able to compete with the Abrams gives them the "modern force"?
According to Russia itself there is no further orders for any new T-14's. Why do you dislike facts so much?
Either you are intentionally lying here or ignorant of the situation.
When you said "You're" I think you meant to type "Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov" is wrong. He's the one who said Russia wouldn't mass produce the T-14 since they would instead upgrade other existing cold war era tanks with that money.
When asked why the orders were cancelled his response was “We don’t really need to for this, these models are quite expensive in relation to existing ones”
But please... show me Russias orders from Uralvagonzavod for more.
Moscow Times is anti-Putin and they are as sticky to reality as you are.Oh yeah their arms exports are kicking ass.It will. Russia´s involvement in Syria has boosted their arms sales. They have presented a lot of new weapons there.
Russia Remains Second-Largest Arms Exporter Despite Sales Drop – Think Tank
Russia remains the world’s second-largest arms exporter after the United States despite five years of declining sales abroad, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) has said in a new report that was disputed by Russia’s state-owned arm exporter. Russia’s arms exports dropped 17 percent between 2014 and 2018 when compared to 2009-2013, contributing to a widening gap with U.S. exports, SIPRI said in the report published Monday. The Swedish think tank said declining arms purchases by India and Venezuela played a major factor in Russia’s reduced exports.
Afterall, they sent their aircraft carrier to Syria belching smoke, where it promptly lost two planes in less than a month so they had to move it's planes to a land base. I'm sure that impressed everyone in the glory of Russian hardware! Since then, in an event worthy of Benny Hill music, it's dry dock sank and damaged the carrier leaving it in a worse state than before it came in.
Russia's campaign in Syria leads to arms sale windfall
Growing demand for Russian arms in the Middle East: The Syria Effect?
Syrian War Doubles Sales of Russian Tanks | armscom.net
How Russia's military campaign in Syria is helping Moscow market its weapons
Hmmm SIPRI has the best study I've seen on arms exports. Fell 17%. But who needs facts right?
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But maybe, this is a new development as Russia doesn´t produce all the fancy new stuff in significant numbers. However, even in the worst time after the collapse, arms development continued. They just had to change their policy due to Western Iron Curtain building.
Lol, the current Abrams main gun bears the same resemblance to the original L/44 as Henry Fords model T does to modern sports car.The L/44 is a 120 mm gun.No, the L/44 is the original 105 mm gun.It was upgraded to the L/44.Abrams were upgraded to 120 mm guns in the early 1990s.
Why do I post links?
Rheinmetall Rh-120 - Wikipedia
"The main armament of the M1A1 and M1A2 is the M256A1 120 mm smoothbore gun, designed by Rheinmetall AG of Germany, manufactured under license in the U.S. by Watervliet Arsenal, New York."
M1 Abrams - Wikipedia
You "patriots" know shit about your own stuff!
Moscow Times is anti-Putin and they are as sticky to reality as you are.Oh yeah their arms exports are kicking ass.It will. Russia´s involvement in Syria has boosted their arms sales. They have presented a lot of new weapons there.
Russia Remains Second-Largest Arms Exporter Despite Sales Drop – Think Tank
Russia remains the world’s second-largest arms exporter after the United States despite five years of declining sales abroad, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) has said in a new report that was disputed by Russia’s state-owned arm exporter. Russia’s arms exports dropped 17 percent between 2014 and 2018 when compared to 2009-2013, contributing to a widening gap with U.S. exports, SIPRI said in the report published Monday. The Swedish think tank said declining arms purchases by India and Venezuela played a major factor in Russia’s reduced exports.
Afterall, they sent their aircraft carrier to Syria belching smoke, where it promptly lost two planes in less than a month so they had to move it's planes to a land base. I'm sure that impressed everyone in the glory of Russian hardware! Since then, in an event worthy of Benny Hill music, it's dry dock sank and damaged the carrier leaving it in a worse state than before it came in.
Russia's campaign in Syria leads to arms sale windfall
Growing demand for Russian arms in the Middle East: The Syria Effect?
Syrian War Doubles Sales of Russian Tanks | armscom.net
How Russia's military campaign in Syria is helping Moscow market its weapons
Lol, the current Abrams main gun bears the same resemblance to the original L/44 as Henry Fords model T does to modern sports car.The L/44 is a 120 mm gun.No, the L/44 is the original 105 mm gun.It was upgraded to the L/44.
Why do I post links?
Rheinmetall Rh-120 - Wikipedia
"The main armament of the M1A1 and M1A2 is the M256A1 120 mm smoothbore gun, designed by Rheinmetall AG of Germany, manufactured under license in the U.S. by Watervliet Arsenal, New York."
M1 Abrams - Wikipedia
You "patriots" know shit about your own stuff!
DERP........
The reason tank guns are smoothbore is the switch from HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) to kinetic energy rounds sabot as the primary anti-tank round. Kinetic energy rounds are subcaliber rounds (smaller than the bore) and aren't effective if the spun by rifling. So tank gun designers moved to smoothbores, stuck fins on the penetrator to give it the stability lost by not spinning the projectile, the use of a sabot around the penetrator provides a better gas seal and the smaller projectile achieves much higher muzzle velocity.
https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-the...mm-main-gun-instead-of-a-120mm-smoothbore-gun
Lol, the current Abrams main gun bears the same resemblance to the original L/44 as Henry Fords model T does to modern sports car.The L/44 is a 120 mm gun.No, the L/44 is the original 105 mm gun.
Why do I post links?
Rheinmetall Rh-120 - Wikipedia
"The main armament of the M1A1 and M1A2 is the M256A1 120 mm smoothbore gun, designed by Rheinmetall AG of Germany, manufactured under license in the U.S. by Watervliet Arsenal, New York."
M1 Abrams - Wikipedia
You "patriots" know shit about your own stuff!
DERP........
The reason tank guns are smoothbore is the switch from HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) to kinetic energy rounds sabot as the primary anti-tank round. Kinetic energy rounds are subcaliber rounds (smaller than the bore) and aren't effective if the spun by rifling. So tank gun designers moved to smoothbores, stuck fins on the penetrator to give it the stability lost by not spinning the projectile, the use of a sabot around the penetrator provides a better gas seal and the smaller projectile achieves much higher muzzle velocity.
https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-the...mm-main-gun-instead-of-a-120mm-smoothbore-gun
The interesting one will be that new multi-round. Using a programmable fuse, will replace 4 rounds with just one which can perform all the tasks as long as fuse is set before firing. So should take away the reload time if switching between say a tank and Infantry, or infantry and a bunker. Just select the new target type and switch on the fly
Russia will have the most modern forces soon while western militaries are on the decline.
The only option for Europe is to stay on friendly terms with Russia. Phrump needs to know that.
Russia's New Armata Tank: The Best Tank in the World?
The main gun fitted on the MBT is a M256 120mm smoothbore cannon, which can fire M829A4 advanced kinetic energy and advanced multi-purpose (AMP) rounds to defend armoured vehicles, personnel and low-flying aircraft.
The tank features a low-profile (LP) common remotely operated weapon system (CROWS) installed with a 12.7mm machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially with the main gun.
Russia will have the most modern forces soon while western militaries are on the decline.
The only option for Europe is to stay on friendly terms with Russia. Phrump needs to know that.
Russia's New Armata Tank: The Best Tank in the World?
SO you are saying that russia is an angry and aggressive nation that likes war? and enjoys killing people?
I thought so......
No WONDER trump likes putin and russia so much.....
That is right. Russia is not eager to go to war.Yes I know that, there also isnt this great and powerful Russian threat......BwaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaThere is no USSR and the times of Yelzin are over.When I was in the Air Force before the USSR was bankrupt because of its Socialist programs, their military was formidable. Yet we knew that when Rolling Thunder(not the motorcycle group) started moving into Europe our job was to get our jets up in the sky and then kiss our ass goodbye. Now the theory was for every 1 US jet, 10 Russian pieces of shit would be shot down, then when it was Britain's turn more of our jets would go up, dwindling down the threat by 10 to 1 again. By the time the Russians got to the middle of the Atlantic, the forces would be 1 vs 1 and we all knew that Russian would lose. Today, with the USSR barely able to pay their soldiers, their military might isnt even close to ours. They have their parade showing "some" equipment, but not like it was 40 years ago, not as many either.....When.Yes...Incredibly low cost and capable plane but they do have air defense. Ever heard of air defense?
When you have air superiority, their air defense isnt shit.
Still better then the flying rock called F-35, right? S-200 gets it down.Producing 12 fighters or 100 tanks isn't just non-significant numbers, it's a publicity spin on the word CANCEL.But maybe, this is a new development as Russia doesn´t produce all the fancy new stuff in significant numbers.
Russia = our new policy will be to market hype weapons and promise to make thousands of them, then actually build enough to barely fulfill May Day parade needs.However, even in the worst time after the collapse, arms development continued. They just had to change their policy due to Western Iron Curtain building.
There is just a big fat ad.The main gun fitted on the MBT is a M256 120mm smoothbore cannon, which can fire M829A4 advanced kinetic energy and advanced multi-purpose (AMP) rounds to defend armoured vehicles, personnel and low-flying aircraft.
The tank features a low-profile (LP) common remotely operated weapon system (CROWS) installed with a 12.7mm machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially with the main gun.
Abrams M1A2 SEPV3 Main Battle Tank - Army Technology
Still, I do not see a scenario where we are facing Russian tanks, nor the Russian Armed forces anytime in the near, or not so near future. But, you never know. We at least need the deterrent of a strong military because we've see what's happened before when we are perceived as weak.
There is just a big fat ad.The main gun fitted on the MBT is a M256 120mm smoothbore cannon, which can fire M829A4 advanced kinetic energy and advanced multi-purpose (AMP) rounds to defend armoured vehicles, personnel and low-flying aircraft.
The tank features a low-profile (LP) common remotely operated weapon system (CROWS) installed with a 12.7mm machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially with the main gun.
Abrams M1A2 SEPV3 Main Battle Tank - Army Technology
Still, I do not see a scenario where we are facing Russian tanks, nor the Russian Armed forces anytime in the near, or not so near future. But, you never know. We at least need the deterrent of a strong military because we've see what's happened before when we are perceived as weak.
But wikipedia is enough. There is no new gun in the SEPv3. The M1A3 is planned to have another gun.
There are now plenty of enemies. Russia, China, Iran, ect. This is going to be the end of days or something. So deploy some stuff.
That´s easy to say when you have asymmetric warfare. But it isn´t that easy and we can say it is not even working out as the Taliban has the upper hand in Afghanistan.There is just a big fat ad.The main gun fitted on the MBT is a M256 120mm smoothbore cannon, which can fire M829A4 advanced kinetic energy and advanced multi-purpose (AMP) rounds to defend armoured vehicles, personnel and low-flying aircraft.
The tank features a low-profile (LP) common remotely operated weapon system (CROWS) installed with a 12.7mm machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially with the main gun.
Abrams M1A2 SEPV3 Main Battle Tank - Army Technology
Still, I do not see a scenario where we are facing Russian tanks, nor the Russian Armed forces anytime in the near, or not so near future. But, you never know. We at least need the deterrent of a strong military because we've see what's happened before when we are perceived as weak.
But wikipedia is enough. There is no new gun in the SEPv3. The M1A3 is planned to have another gun.
There are now plenty of enemies. Russia, China, Iran, ect. This is going to be the end of days or something. So deploy some stuff.
Nobody has a crystal ball, but I don't see us in a conventional war with anyone, especially in large tank battles like WWII or even Iraq. Lots of tanks were taken out by aircraft like the A-10, Apaches and even Marine Super Cobras. They are very vulnerable today, and some say obsolete.
More and more battles are going to be fought by drones, missiles and unmanned craft run remotely by humans from a bunker somewhere.
Keep in mind that Russia has a GDP SMALLER than Italy's.
And not even in the same ballpark with the US and China and Japan.
Russia has to divert nearly all of it's resources to military in order to produce even a few tanks and planes.
