Russias money issue

[Plasmaball]

his only backer right now may be china. Beyond that nobody is going to back him.
Sadly Putin has been looking to do this for a long time. Sadly it just happened under Obamas watch.

china will back him by allowing it to be known their veto on the sec. council is assured regards any action agasint russia..

they are watching this very closely, they have already been extending their reach over the eat china sea and this can only help them.

and for reasons that completely flummox me, we have all of our pacific carriers sitting in ports.....

With an advisor in the State Department like John Kerry, we are seeing the fruits of his Utopian goals.

Seriously shut up. This is beyond a complicated issue and retarded partisan jabs are worthless.

 

[Plasmaball]

Russian markets nosedive as Ukraine panic takes hold

Investors in Russia reacted with panic Monday to the potentially disastrous economic consequences of Russian military intervention in Ukraine, with Moscow stock markets crashing up to 12 percent and the ruble plunging to historic lows against the dollar and euro.

In an emergency move to limit the losses for the ruble amid what risks becoming at least Russia's worst economic crisis since 2009, Russia's central bank hiked its main interest rate by 150 basis points.

So if we take a logical no partisan view of whats going on here. Russia wont be able to handle the west shunning them economically. Russia is thin on money and this move they are making isnt a smart one after spending 50 Billion on the Olympics.

In a sense If obama is behind this then its a page from Reagan who spend along the USSR collapse by out spending them. The thing to take away from this is the fact that if you want to hurt Russia. Take away the wallet.


Or we can do what Retiredretardsgt wanted to do and put troops on the ground and start WW3.

Id rather this be solved without a bullet being fired.

What makes you think Russia will be crushed economically? Oh yeah, you're ignorant and not very bright.
Russia has oil, minerals, timber, and furs which it exports in decent quantities. Recall that economic interdependence goes both ways.

How would solve this issue?
Seeing how you know everything.

 

[Decus]

using the $$ wedge would take time, this won't happen overnight, they should have started already if thats the way to go and I agree that would have an effect, but, iran has had a much shitteir economy for years and the mullahs have kept on keeping on, when a country is under control as Putin controls Russia, he may try and ride it out, and remember, he supplies how much energy product to Europe?

his only backer right now may be china. Beyond that nobody is going to back him.
Sadly Putin has been looking to do this for a long time. Sadly it just happened under Obamas watch.

He has backing via natural gas to Europe and oil to China.
What is Europe going to do? Shut the gas off?? Uh...no.
Everybody is talking about this in economic terms, you don't think Putin knew the market/bank outcomes of this? Of course he did.
He is not an American, therefore he is not looking at this as an American would. Same as mentioned above in Iran, these people are not like us. They do not value human life or the welfare of the citizenry like we do. They have no problem placing heavy burdens on their people if they themselves benefit.
IMO - Putin has gone too far to back out now. He would be the laughing stock of the world and appear weak if he withdraws troops. He will take Ukraine.

The economics alone should prevent Putin from taking the Ukraine. The Ukraine was drained dry by Yanukovych and is on the verge of bankruptcy. Taking the Ukraine would mean that Putin shoulder the Ukraine's economic burden alone. Hell, just taking on the burden of paying Crimea's debts is going to be a significant load for Russia.

If he takes Ukraine the IMF and other institutions would not provide support. In essence it would be economic suicide.

Even the Russians understand this. From this morning's live coverage:

"10:13: Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta warns that the Ukraine crisis could be costly for Moscow. It says that aid to Crimea - such as pensions and salaries - in addition to the negative effects of sanctions imposed by the West mean that in the worst case scenario, it will cost $500m. The Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper for its part says that the crisis could push the Russian economy towards recession."

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis

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[iamwhatiseem]

his only backer right now may be china. Beyond that nobody is going to back him.
Sadly Putin has been looking to do this for a long time. Sadly it just happened under Obamas watch.

He has backing via natural gas to Europe and oil to China.
What is Europe going to do? Shut the gas off?? Uh...no.
Everybody is talking about this in economic terms, you don't think Putin knew the market/bank outcomes of this? Of course he did.
He is not an American, therefore he is not looking at this as an American would. Same as mentioned above in Iran, these people are not like us. They do not value human life or the welfare of the citizenry like we do. They have no problem placing heavy burdens on their people if they themselves benefit.
IMO - Putin has gone too far to back out now. He would be the laughing stock of the world and appear weak if he withdraws troops. He will take Ukraine.

The economics alone should prevent Putin from taking the Ukraine. The Ukraine was drained dry by Yanukovych and is on the verge of bankruptcy. Taking the Ukraine would mean that Putin shoulder the Ukraine's economic burden alone. Hell, just taking on the burden of paying Crimea's debts is going to be a significant load for Russia.

If he takes Ukraine the IMF and other institutions would not provide support. In essence it would be economic suicide.

Even the Russians understand this. From this morning's live coverage:

"10:13: Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta warns that the Ukraine crisis could be costly for Moscow. It says that aid to Crimea - such as pensions and salaries - in addition to the negative effects of sanctions imposed by the West mean that in the worst case scenario, it will cost $500m. The Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper for its part says that the crisis could push the Russian economy towards recession."

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis

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I understand. Now I ask you to understand that Putin is willing to put Russia into a recession to gain Ukraine. This isn't about economics with him. This is about reinstating a Russian empire. (in his eyes).
Putin is in-arguably an ego maniac. This guys head must weigh 5000 pounds.
Like someone mentioned in a separate thread - everyone said the same thing about Iran - no way would they put their country into economic deadlock to gain nukes...well..
Putin is the same, putting economic hardship on his people is not a very big concern for him.

 

[Decus]

He has backing via natural gas to Europe and oil to China.
What is Europe going to do? Shut the gas off?? Uh...no.
Everybody is talking about this in economic terms, you don't think Putin knew the market/bank outcomes of this? Of course he did.
He is not an American, therefore he is not looking at this as an American would. Same as mentioned above in Iran, these people are not like us. They do not value human life or the welfare of the citizenry like we do. They have no problem placing heavy burdens on their people if they themselves benefit.
IMO - Putin has gone too far to back out now. He would be the laughing stock of the world and appear weak if he withdraws troops. He will take Ukraine.

The economics alone should prevent Putin from taking the Ukraine. The Ukraine was drained dry by Yanukovych and is on the verge of bankruptcy. Taking the Ukraine would mean that Putin shoulder the Ukraine's economic burden alone. Hell, just taking on the burden of paying Crimea's debts is going to be a significant load for Russia.

If he takes Ukraine the IMF and other institutions would not provide support. In essence it would be economic suicide.

Even the Russians understand this. From this morning's live coverage:

"10:13: Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta warns that the Ukraine crisis could be costly for Moscow. It says that aid to Crimea - such as pensions and salaries - in addition to the negative effects of sanctions imposed by the West mean that in the worst case scenario, it will cost $500m. The Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper for its part says that the crisis could push the Russian economy towards recession."

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis

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I understand. Now I ask you to understand that Putin is willing to put Russia into a recession to gain Ukraine. This isn't about economics with him. This is about reinstating a Russian empire. (in his eyes).
Putin is in-arguably an ego maniac. This guys head must weigh 5000 pounds.
Like someone mentioned in a separate thread - everyone said the same thing about Iran - no way would they put their country into economic deadlock to gain nukes...well..
Putin is the same, putting economic hardship on his people is not a very big concern for him.

Fair enough. Fighting to maintain the empire and control of former Soviet Bloc countries is one thing. If however this causes economic hardship at home, he will face unrest. Many Russians have already shown their impatience with Putin and the corruption that surrounds his government. How many months into a recession before Russians take to the streets?

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[editec]

Russia is attempting to control the hydrocarbon wealth and delivery of same from central asia.

That is what's going on.

The WEST is attempting to stop it.

One set of MASTERS battling another.

Its about money as it always is, citizens.

 

[Old Rocks]

Russian markets nosedive as Ukraine panic takes hold

Investors in Russia reacted with panic Monday to the potentially disastrous economic consequences of Russian military intervention in Ukraine, with Moscow stock markets crashing up to 12 percent and the ruble plunging to historic lows against the dollar and euro.

In an emergency move to limit the losses for the ruble amid what risks becoming at least Russia's worst economic crisis since 2009, Russia's central bank hiked its main interest rate by 150 basis points.

So if we take a logical no partisan view of whats going on here. Russia wont be able to handle the west shunning them economically. Russia is thin on money and this move they are making isnt a smart one after spending 50 Billion on the Olympics.

In a sense If obama is behind this then its a page from Reagan who spend along the USSR collapse by out spending them. The thing to take away from this is the fact that if you want to hurt Russia. Take away the wallet.


Or we can do what Retiredretardsgt wanted to do and put troops on the ground and start WW3.

Id rather this be solved without a bullet being fired.

What makes you think Russia will be crushed economically? Oh yeah, you're ignorant and not very bright.
Russia has oil, minerals, timber, and furs which it exports in decent quantities. Recall that economic interdependence goes both ways.

Russia has always had those assets. She has yet to use them.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Fair enough. Fighting to maintain the empire and control of former Soviet Bloc countries is one thing. If however this causes economic hardship at home, he will face unrest. Many Russians have already shown their impatience with Putin and the corruption that surrounds his government. How many months into a recession before Russians take to the streets?

.

Another thing to consider is the timing.
Obama is weak and indecisive on foreign affairs because he doesn't believe in a strong American influence in the world.
Putin knows this. He may see this as his only opportunity to expand his borders.
I am sure he is keenly aware that we may have a republican majority in Washington and a republican President next round. And if that happens he won't have silence in Washington.

 

[The Rabbi]

Russian markets nosedive as Ukraine panic takes hold


So if we take a logical no partisan view of whats going on here. Russia wont be able to handle the west shunning them economically. Russia is thin on money and this move they are making isnt a smart one after spending 50 Billion on the Olympics.

In a sense If obama is behind this then its a page from Reagan who spend along the USSR collapse by out spending them. The thing to take away from this is the fact that if you want to hurt Russia. Take away the wallet.


Or we can do what Retiredretardsgt wanted to do and put troops on the ground and start WW3.

Id rather this be solved without a bullet being fired.

What makes you think Russia will be crushed economically? Oh yeah, you're ignorant and not very bright.
Russia has oil, minerals, timber, and furs which it exports in decent quantities. Recall that economic interdependence goes both ways.

How would solve this issue?
Seeing how you know everything.

I would send you as our ambassador and watch Putin and his crew die laughing.

 

[The Rabbi]

Russian markets nosedive as Ukraine panic takes hold


So if we take a logical no partisan view of whats going on here. Russia wont be able to handle the west shunning them economically. Russia is thin on money and this move they are making isnt a smart one after spending 50 Billion on the Olympics.

In a sense If obama is behind this then its a page from Reagan who spend along the USSR collapse by out spending them. The thing to take away from this is the fact that if you want to hurt Russia. Take away the wallet.


Or we can do what Retiredretardsgt wanted to do and put troops on the ground and start WW3.

Id rather this be solved without a bullet being fired.

What makes you think Russia will be crushed economically? Oh yeah, you're ignorant and not very bright.
Russia has oil, minerals, timber, and furs which it exports in decent quantities. Recall that economic interdependence goes both ways.

Russia has always had those assets. She has yet to use them.

Dunce.

Russia Exports
Exports in Russia decreased to 39400 USD Million in January of 2014 from 49155 USD Million in December of 2013. Exports in Russia is reported by the Central Bank of Russia. Exports in Russia averaged 19856.26 USD Million from 1994 until 2014, reaching an all time high of 50248 USD Million in December of 2011 and a record low of 4100 USD Million in January of 1994. Russia is the fifth largest economy in the world and is a leading exporter of oil and natural gas. Russia main exports are oil and natural gas (58 percent of total exports), nickel, palladium, iron and chemical products. Others include: cars, military equipment and timber. This page provides - Russia Exports - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news. 2014-03-04

 

[Decus]

Fair enough. Fighting to maintain the empire and control of former Soviet Bloc countries is one thing. If however this causes economic hardship at home, he will face unrest. Many Russians have already shown their impatience with Putin and the corruption that surrounds his government. How many months into a recession before Russians take to the streets?

.

Another thing to consider is the timing.
Obama is weak and indecisive on foreign affairs because he doesn't believe in a strong American influence in the world.
Putin knows this. He may see this as his only opportunity to expand his borders.
I am sure he is keenly aware that we may have a republican majority in Washington and a republican President next round. And if that happens he won't have silence in Washington.

I agree that Obama is seen as weak and is strongly disliked by Putin, thereby providing Putin with both motive and opportunity. Obama thumbing his nose at Putin over Sochi must have added to Putin's motivation.

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[Decus]

Russia is attempting to control the hydrocarbon wealth and delivery of same from central asia.

That is what's going on.

The WEST is attempting to stop it.

One set of MASTERS battling another.

Its about money as it always is, citizens.

I hope you don't mind but allow me to repost something that addresses what you wrote. I believe that Russia's biggest rival in Central Asia is not the West but China:

With Russia severely weakened (economically), China could seek to play a more important role with Central Asian nations that were once part of the Soviet Bloc - countries like Kazakhstan which are rich in oil reserves and with whom they have sought to increase their influence and purchases of oil.

"In January 2013, Kazakhstan proclaimed that it would limit its imports of oil products from Russia, a prospect that invoked skepticism among several Russian analysts. Yet in April 2013, Kazakhstan limited Russia’s gasoline sales in the country and took other restrictive measures related to oil in dealing with Russia. Mhttp://www.cacianalyst.org/publications/analytical-articles/item/12888-kazakhstan-drifts-to-china-amid-tension-with-russia.htmloscow assumed that Kazakhstan would have no choice and would finally cave into Russia’s demands. However, Moscow was wrong and China presented a viable alternative. Kazakhstan now sends its oil to Chinese refineries instead of Russian ones. In addition, Kazakhstan demanded a higher price for gas it had already committed to Russia and would otherwise divert deliveries to China. In July 2013, Kazakhstan sold a US$ 5 billion stake in the Kashagan oil field, one of the largest in the world, to China’s CNPC."

Kazakhstan Drifts to China Amid Tension with Russia

 

[Plasmaball]

What makes you think Russia will be crushed economically? Oh yeah, you're ignorant and not very bright.
Russia has oil, minerals, timber, and furs which it exports in decent quantities. Recall that economic interdependence goes both ways.

How would solve this issue?
Seeing how you know everything.

I would send you as our ambassador and watch Putin and his crew die laughing.

So you have nothing. .Thank you I can ignore you on this subject hence forth

 

[The Rabbi]

How would solve this issue?
Seeing how you know everything.

I would send you as our ambassador and watch Putin and his crew die laughing.

So you have nothing. .Thank you I can ignore you on this subject hence forth

There are lots of things that can be done. But I predict that Obama will pick the least effective and worst. Because that's history. Unfortunately it wont stop your idiotic posts. My solution would.
/Win.

 

[william the wie]

Foreign policy begins with domestic politics. The problem is that Obama has to worry about the left wing of his party revolting and independents defecting to the Republicans that gives him no wiggle room in foreign affairs.

 

[Trajan]

Fair enough. Fighting to maintain the empire and control of former Soviet Bloc countries is one thing. If however this causes economic hardship at home, he will face unrest. Many Russians have already shown their impatience with Putin and the corruption that surrounds his government. How many months into a recession before Russians take to the streets?

.

Another thing to consider is the timing.
Obama is weak and indecisive on foreign affairs because he doesn't believe in a strong American influence in the world.
Putin knows this. He may see this as his only opportunity to expand his borders.
I am sure he is keenly aware that we may have a republican majority in Washington and a republican President next round. And if that happens he won't have silence in Washington.

I am waiting to see what China's move is. Their peoples congress meets this week and though truly the power rests in the PLA and the nine heads of their politburo, they will sue this meeting to get their ducks in a row. If the response to Putin is weak, they will make a move. Shoot down a plane, run off a jap. destroyer or one of ours like they did a few months ago having one of their ships run at us on a collision course etc. that was shadowing their rebuilt carrier on sea trials, Make a firm and final move on one of the island chains, its wide open, or just tickle the North Koreans, have them fire another missile or detonate another bomb.

 

[FA_Q2]

The economics alone should prevent Putin from taking the Ukraine. The Ukraine was drained dry by Yanukovych and is on the verge of bankruptcy. Taking the Ukraine would mean that Putin shoulder the Ukraine's economic burden alone. Hell, just taking on the burden of paying Crimea's debts is going to be a significant load for Russia.

If he takes Ukraine the IMF and other institutions would not provide support. In essence it would be economic suicide.

Even the Russians understand this. From this morning's live coverage:

"10:13: Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta warns that the Ukraine crisis could be costly for Moscow. It says that aid to Crimea - such as pensions and salaries - in addition to the negative effects of sanctions imposed by the West mean that in the worst case scenario, it will cost $500m. The Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper for its part says that the crisis could push the Russian economy towards recession."

BBC News - LIVE: Ukraine crisis

.

I understand. Now I ask you to understand that Putin is willing to put Russia into a recession to gain Ukraine. This isn't about economics with him. This is about reinstating a Russian empire. (in his eyes).
Putin is in-arguably an ego maniac. This guys head must weigh 5000 pounds.
Like someone mentioned in a separate thread - everyone said the same thing about Iran - no way would they put their country into economic deadlock to gain nukes...well..
Putin is the same, putting economic hardship on his people is not a very big concern for him.

Fair enough. Fighting to maintain the empire and control of former Soviet Bloc countries is one thing. If however this causes economic hardship at home, he will face unrest. Many Russians have already shown their impatience with Putin and the corruption that surrounds his government. How many months into a recession before Russians take to the streets?

.

With the control that they leverage over the media, I am not so confident that he can’t keep the people there in check. At least in check enough to avoid being replaced.

 

[freedombecki]

Fair enough. Fighting to maintain the empire and control of former Soviet Bloc countries is one thing. If however this causes economic hardship at home, he will face unrest. Many Russians have already shown their impatience with Putin and the corruption that surrounds his government. How many months into a recession before Russians take to the streets?

.

Another thing to consider is the timing.
Obama is weak and indecisive on foreign affairs because he doesn't believe in a strong American influence in the world.
Putin knows this. He may see this as his only opportunity to expand his borders.
I am sure he is keenly aware that we may have a republican majority in Washington and a republican President next round. And if that happens he won't have silence in Washington.

I am waiting to see what China's move is. Their peoples congress meets this week and though truly the power rests in the PLA and the nine heads of their politburo, they will sue this meeting to get their ducks in a row. If the response to Putin is weak, they will make a move. Shoot down a plane, run off a jap. destroyer or one of ours like they did a few months ago having one of their ships run at us on a collision course etc. that was shadowing their rebuilt carrier on sea trials, Make a firm and final move on one of the island chains, its wide open, or just tickle the North Koreans, have them fire another missile or detonate another bomb.

Chicken Kiev. *sigh*

 

[Jarlaxle]

This is Putin's Tien An Men. He is cementing his power base at HOME...and while everyone is watching the Ukraine, he has quietly had opponents silenced. (His biggest opponent in the Duma is under house arrest.)

 

[freedombecki]

china will back him by allowing it to be known their veto on the sec. council is assured regards any action agasint russia..

they are watching this very closely, they have already been extending their reach over the eat china sea and this can only help them.

and for reasons that completely flummox me, we have all of our pacific carriers sitting in ports.....

With an advisor in the State Department like John Kerry, we are seeing the fruits of his Utopian goals.

Seriously shut up. This is beyond a complicated issue and retarded partisan jabs are worthless.

The trouble with shaming people for speaking out is it lures you into hating the First Amendment for which this country stands.

And for your information it is not a partisan, I support the military that stayed and did the dirty work Kerry lied about before Congress after he left the service, to the detriment of his once-fellow soldiers whom he betrayed with lies for the leftist cause. It's extremist partisans who rewarded him for his lies, not an ordinary person like me. My father fought in WWII before I was born, Korea, and the Cold War after. We were wagged around the country as he served the country and referred to as "army brats."

Grates your nerves, hm. Tough bananas.