Russia is basically at war with NATO

[frigidweirdo]

So, it's been happening for a while, Russia has been going around getting local thugs to set fire to things in European countries.

Why small-time criminals burned a London warehouse for Russia's mercenary group Wagner

Five men have now been convicted for their part in the arson attack, which caused £1m of damage.

www.bbc.co.uk

"Why small-time criminals burned a London warehouse for Russia's mercenary group Wagner"

"Just before midnight on 20 March last year, two small-time criminals from south London set alight a warehouse containing vital communications equipment destined for Ukraine."

"They did not do it for ideological reasons. Instead, they did it for cash. The pair were arsonists for hire - referred to as "road men" in court - working indirectly for the Wagner Group, the mercenary group now controlled by the Russian state."

Russia started Berlin factory fire as part of hybrid war on Europe, report says

German police believe a technical defect caused the blaze, but security officials have blamed Russia.

www.politico.eu

"Russia started Berlin factory fire as part of hybrid war on Europe, report says"

But now Russia has sent drones into Poland, it's send military planes into Estonia, it seems it's done a cyber attack on three European airports at the same time

Heathrow cyber-attack: Day of delays after airport check-in system hit

The issue affecting check-in and baggage systems has also caused cancellations in Brussels and Berlin.

www.bbc.com

"Cyber-attack causes delays at Heathrow and other European airports"

Estonia seeks urgent Nato consultation after Russian jets violate airspace

Russia denies jets entered Estonian airspace in the same month as its drones violated the airspace of two other Nato members.

www.bbc.com

"Estonia seeks Nato consultation after Russian jets violate airspace"

Is it time to just wipe Putin's regime off the map? He's a threat to NATO, to Europe, he's obviously playing on Trump's inability to deal with the Russian issue, from "I'll get peace on day one" to "I'm giving you 50 days to make peace or else" and the "or else" turned out to be "nothing".

 

[MisterBeale]

It this western propaganda is true, there is an easy solution to this.

If European governments and the IC stop propping up the Banderastan, Russia would stop hybrid war.

Only a tool would not believe there is hybrid war being perpetrated by the west on Russia.

 

[Mack The Finger]

They say what goes around comes around !

 

[Darkwind]

It this western propaganda is true, there is an easy solution to this.

If European governments and the IC stop propping up the Banderastan, Russia would stop hybrid war.

Only a tool would not believe there is hybrid war being perpetrated by the west on Russia.

Well, NATO has violated a number of agreements with Russia over the past 30 years.

THAT does NOT justify invading Ukraine, but I agree that this is a European war. They need only stop buying Russian energy TODAY, NOT IN TWO YEARS and cut off his ability to fund this war.

 

[Mac-7]

Russia seems to be close to war with NATO

That's a sign of desperation on Putin’s part

He’s testing NATO to see if the squat-to-pee Euros have any balls remaining

 

[Mac-7]

Well, NATO has violated a number of agreements with Russia over the past 30 years.

THAT does NOT justify invading Ukraine, but I agree that this is a European war. They need only stop buying Russian energy TODAY, NOT IN TWO YEARS and cut off his ability to fund this war.

We need stronger sanctions against communist china also

But putin is threatening a real shooting war involving dead euro’s rather than mere economic sanctions

 

[Darkwind]

We need stronger sanctions against communist china also

But putin is threatening a real shooting war involving dead euro’s rather than mere economic sanctions

We do indeed. China is what that famous Democrat once said, "Them chicons are getting a bit uppity!".

Yeah, I think that Europe needs to handle Russia and we can stand at their backs, looking over their shoulders at Russia to back any policies they wish to enforce knowing that if Russia actually attacks a European Union and NATO member, that a world war will break out.

 

[MisterBeale]

They need only stop buying Russian energy TODAY, NOT IN TWO YEARS and cut off his ability to fund this war.

That is basically what this war is about. Ukraine was only used as a pretext to start it. NATO and the west had several opportunities to negotiate in good faith, but they never did.

Europe really doesn't have the ability to stop using Russian energy w/o suffering a decline in production and living standards, thus, the goal has always been regime change in Russia.

Ukraine’s Naftogaz CEO accuses Russia of using gas as a geopolitical weapon as energy crisis deepens​

Fri, Sep 24 2021

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/24/europe-energy-crisis-naftogaz-accuses-russia-of-using-gas-as-a-geopolitical-weapon.html

General Harald Kujat: Former Head of German Army Exposes Ukraine War Lies​

22 hours ago

 

[Darkwind]

That is basically what this war is about. Ukraine was only used as a pretext to start it. NATO and the west had several opportunities to negotiate in good faith, but they never did.

Europe really doesn't have the ability to stop using Russian energy w/o suffering a decline in production and living standards, thus, the goal has always been regime change in Russia.

Ukraine’s Naftogaz CEO accuses Russia of using gas as a geopolitical weapon as energy crisis deepens​

Fri, Sep 24 2021

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/24/europe-energy-crisis-naftogaz-accuses-russia-of-using-gas-as-a-geopolitical-weapon.html

General Harald Kujat: Former Head of German Army Exposes Ukraine War Lies​

22 hours ago

Regime change?

Putin is up there in years. He'll be dead soon enough.

What I oppose is the US getting deeply involved in European security. That is why NATO was invented.

We'll back them in a hot war, but I don't care if they have to face a little hardship to put an end to Putin. If they do, then they really are NOT allies of the USA.

 

[Deadstick]

Russia seems to be close to war with NATO

That's a sign of desperation on Putin’s part

He’s testing NATO to see if the squat-to-pee Euros have any balls remaining

Why would he be desperate? he is winning the front is in a state of collapse.

 

[MisterBeale]

Putin is up there in years.

Despite what western media would have us believe, Putin is not an absolute dictator.

The establishment and a majority of Russians are behind him.


Regime change would entail destroying Russia's economy, and deposing the oligarchs who support him.

 

[Deadstick]

Regime change?

Putin is up there in years. He'll be dead soon enough.

What I oppose is the US getting deeply involved in European security. That is why NATO was invented.

We'll back them in a hot war, but I don't care if they have to face a little hardship to put an end to Putin. If they do, then they really are NOT allies of the USA.

Yes Putin won't be there forever and then if the new President doesn't obey your orders he will be the next target,America didn't have a problem with that drunken Court jester Yeltsin because he sold Russia to the west, that clown almost destroyed Russia.

 

[BackAgain]

My hunch is that Putin wants to instill as much doubt as possible into NATO’s commitment to mutual defense by NATO partners.

Putin is willing to take huge risks by taking his insane chances. It’s a probe: are NATO members really willing to confront a nuclear war over “Estonia” for example.

 

[Darkwind]

Despite what western media would have us believe, Putin is not an absolute dictator.

The establishment and a majority of Russians are behind him.


Regime change would entail destroying Russia's economy, and deposing the oligarchs who support him.

That is true, but once he is dead, they'll have to chose to continue to war against the West, or maybe come to the table.

 

[Darkwind]

Yes Putin won't be there forever and then if the new President doesn't obey your orders he will be the next target,America didn't have a problem with that drunken Court jester Yeltsin because he sold Russia to the west, that clown almost destroyed Russia.

Why would he take orders from Me? Do we have a comprehension problem today?

A new leader in Russia MAY, or it MAY NOT, end the conflict in Ukraine.

The issue is Putin's lack of fear of the West.

The EU could disabuse him of that phony courage, but maybe not.

Either way, we won't be worse off if Putin dies.

 

[1srelluc]

Likely just the EU trying to start something in hopes the US will finish it for them.

Piss on the EU.

 

[JWBooth]

Russia is basically at war with NATO​

And why not? NATO has been at war with Russia via the Ukronazi proxy since 2014.

Zelenskyy needs to be given the Diem treatment and then, maybe, this thing can be wrapped up.

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you want to be technical about it, Russia has effectively been at war with around 40 or so countries, given that this is how many countries have contributed in some way to the endeavor against it.

 

[Deadstick]

Why would he take orders from Me? Do we have a comprehension problem today?

A new leader in Russia MAY, or it MAY NOT, end the conflict in Ukraine.

The issue is Putin's lack of fear of the West.

The EU could disabuse him of that phony courage, but maybe not.

Either way, we won't be worse off if Putin dies.

Orders from your Regime i am talking about, and if Putin died i won't be better or worse off, so why should it bother you?

 

[Deadstick]

That is true, but once he is dead, they'll have to chose to continue to war against the West, or maybe come to the table.

What war against the West?