Russia and the US - pretty much the same place

[Disgruntled_American]

Look at gay people there.

yeah, gays are unaccepted in Russia as far as pedophiles and murderers. All that deals are considered a sin according to christianity and other religions as well.

Then how is there truly freedom of religion then? Answer? There isn't.

yes there is not freedom of religion there, because the religion - is the key point of the whole life of man and society as well. There should be the foundation in each country, in some countries it is patriotism, in others - the wealth, in russia - orthodox christianity. Other rights are derived from that.

I.e. no freedom of speech.

yes, no freedom of speech in media and papers. If you do not influence a lot of people you can say what you want - putin will not bother over you.

Yes if you don't ever question the dictator or the state everything will be fine comrade. Again, you have only proven my point and that is Russia is not free.

 

[Igrok_]

Look at gay people there.

yeah, gays are unaccepted in Russia as far as pedophiles and murderers. All that deals are considered a sin according to christianity and other religions as well.

Then how is there truly freedom of religion then? Answer? There isn't.

yes there is not freedom of religion there, because the religion - is the key point of the whole life of man and society as well. There should be the foundation in each country, in some countries it is patriotism, in others - the wealth, in russia - orthodox christianity. Other rights are derived from that.

I.e. no freedom of speech.

yes, no freedom of speech in media and papers. If you do not influence a lot of people you can say what you want - putin will not bother over you.

Yes if you don't ever question the dictator or the state everything will be fine comrade. Again, you have only proven my point and that is Russia is not free.

as you wish. I worked as a programmer for 5 years and, frankly, i would not have been happy if some cleaning woman or bus driver had teached me how to do my job. Similarly politician should not be influenced by people who don't even imagine what his job consists of.
Moreover, i guess this stuff doesn't really have influence and only participates in a show, nothing more...

 

[Katzndogz]

Russia has a capable patriot as its president.

 

[defcon4]

There are many other differences as well and while the article claims Russians have the right to free speech, that is false because under article 72 if it is determined that speech is against the government (i.e. Putin) it most certainly is censored and not to mention the "disappearances" of those that have questioned Putin publicly.

They have rights, but many are in name only and are not actually protected when push comes to shove. Look at gay people there.

I personally wouldn't mind to make it a crime to speak against the Constitution on every level, no immunity for politicians either including Congress.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

There are many other differences as well and while the article claims Russians have the right to free speech, that is false because under article 72 if it is determined that speech is against the government (i.e. Putin) it most certainly is censored and not to mention the "disappearances" of those that have questioned Putin publicly.

They have rights, but many are in name only and are not actually protected when push comes to shove. Look at gay people there.

I personally wouldn't mind to make it a crime to speak against the Constitution on every level, no immunity for politicians either including Congress.

Well considering at one time the constitution allowed slavery and women not having the right to vote, you would have made it criminal to speak against that? The constitution is not a static document and the founders setup a method to in fact change the constitution. That would be speaking against it if you want to change it.

 

[theHawk]

I have been watching some documentaries on the state of modern Russia. I have also visited the country.

There seem to be growing similarities between the Russians and America

Corporations call the shots
Corrupt political system
Destructive imperialist foreign policy
Rise of anti gay activity
Racism
Sponsoring terrorism
Inequality

I am sure that there are more similarities.

I have travelled far and wide and Moscow is the only place on earth that I felt uncomfortable.

Well then, do us all a favor and stay the **** out of the US.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So Tainted visits a few places and is now an expert....typical liberal.

Soon he will be telling us how he landed in Moscow under sniper fire.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well considering at one time the constitution allowed slavery and women not having the right to vote, you would have made it criminal to speak against that? The constitution is not a static document and the founders setup a method to in fact change the constitution. That would be speaking against it if you want to change it.

Since the Constitution allows itself to be ammended, as you admit, then how is it 'speaking against the Constitution' to advocate amending it by its own specified process?

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Well considering at one time the constitution allowed slavery and women not having the right to vote, you would have made it criminal to speak against that? The constitution is not a static document and the founders setup a method to in fact change the constitution. That would be speaking against it if you want to change it.

Since the Constitution allows itself to be ammended, as you admit, then how is it 'speaking against the Constitution' to advocate amending it by its own specified process?

Because you (general you not you specific) are speaking against the current constitution in its form as the poster I quoted said. He didn't say he would make it criminal to speak against the method to change the constitution he said he would make it illegal to speak against the constitution. Well there have been things in the constitution people should have spoken against.

 

[defcon4]

Well considering at one time the constitution allowed slavery and women not having the right to vote, you would have made it criminal to speak against that? The constitution is not a static document and the founders setup a method to in fact change the constitution. That would be speaking against it if you want to change it.

More "living document" it becomes, more it will become mob rule. I personally wouldn't allow people on public assistance to vote at all for at least 5 years from coming off the public dole.

 

[Meathead]

If nothing else, the UK exceeds at producing whiners.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I have been watching some documentaries on the state of modern Russia. I have also visited the country.

There seem to be growing similarities between the Russians and America

Corporations call the shots
Corrupt political system
Destructive imperialist foreign policy
Rise of anti gay activity
Racism
Sponsoring terrorism
Inequality

I am sure that there are more similarities.

I have travelled far and wide and Moscow is the only place on earth that I felt uncomfortable.

I've been to Russia, no it is not.
But since you believe it is, please move there.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Well considering at one time the constitution allowed slavery and women not having the right to vote, you would have made it criminal to speak against that? The constitution is not a static document and the founders setup a method to in fact change the constitution. That would be speaking against it if you want to change it.

More "living document" it becomes, more it will become mob rule. I personally wouldn't allow people on public assistance to vote at all for at least 5 years from coming off the public dole.

If you don't like the constitution the way it is, you have several options.

But it seems you instead want it to be mob rule against people on public assistance. So why aren't you against corporations being able to dump buttloads of money into a campaign? Why are you for our democracy being bought and sold by corporate America?

 

[defcon4]

If you don't like the constitution the way it is, you have several options.

But it seems you instead want it to be mob rule against people on public assistance. So why aren't you against corporations being able to dump buttloads of money into a campaign? Why are you for our democracy being bought and sold by corporate America?

Now, where did you get the idea from that I did not like the Constitution? Don't worry about the corporations what they do with their own money. They contribute to both wings of the political elite. (I am not endorsing the practice, I just don't like you focusing on other people's money)
If you are on public assistance for an extend period of time, who you are going to vote for? Are you going to vote for those who helped you out but want you to take care of yourself after a while and cut your welfare…or for those who will promise you more and more "assistance" with no end in sight.
Be honest to yourself when or if you give it a thought.

 

[FJO]

I have been watching some documentaries on the state of modern Russia. I have also visited the country.

There seem to be growing similarities between the Russians and America

Corporations call the shots
Corrupt political system
Destructive imperialist foreign policy
Rise of anti gay activity
Racism
Sponsoring terrorism
Inequality

I am sure that there are more similarities.

I have travelled far and wide and Moscow is the only place on earth that I felt uncomfortable.

Have you considered moving to Russia?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have been watching some documentaries on the state of modern Russia. I have also visited the country.

There seem to be growing similarities between the Russians and America

Corporations call the shots
Corrupt political system
Destructive imperialist foreign policy
Rise of anti gay activity
Racism
Sponsoring terrorism
Inequality

I am sure that there are more similarities.

I have travelled far and wide and Moscow is the only place on earth that I felt uncomfortable.

Have you considered moving to Russia?

I was thinking that socialist paradise Cuba.

 

[FJO]

I have been watching some documentaries on the state of modern Russia. I have also visited the country.

There seem to be growing similarities between the Russians and America

Corporations call the shots
Corrupt political system
Destructive imperialist foreign policy
Rise of anti gay activity
Racism
Sponsoring terrorism
Inequality

I am sure that there are more similarities.

I have travelled far and wide and Moscow is the only place on earth that I felt uncomfortable.

Have you considered moving to Russia?

I was thinking that socialist paradise Cuba.

Or moving in with Saddam Penn or Michael Moore.

 

[Tilly]

Bullshit OP.

He's an anti-American, anti- West, pro-Islam troll.

 

[Meathead]

Bullshit OP.

He's an anti-American, anti- West, pro-Islam troll.

What we call whining, they call whinging. which is why they are widely known as whinging poms by the Aussie's:

Whinging Pom
A person of British origin who will consistently complain about any situation that they may face. They are emotionally unable to deal with any sort of adverse condition without commenting negatively about it.

The typical ‘whinging pom’ can be often located in such global locations such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada. Though also found in multiple other locations in high concentrations (such as the USA), they tend to countries that at least pay some lip service to their beloved monarchy.
-Chris, often known as a whinging pom, would often complain that he could never get any work done in the New York office, the rooms were terrible and people wouldn't stop hitting him in the head with office toys.

“The food is much better in London, you can hardly find a decent steak with mad cow here”

“Sure you may have won the last 30 games of rugby against us but we still won the world cup”

“This place get far too much sunlight my healthy white skin can only handle the sun once filtered through multiple layers of cloud, fog and rain”

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I have been watching some documentaries on the state of modern Russia. I have also visited the country.

There seem to be growing similarities between the Russians and America

Corporations call the shots
Corrupt political system
Destructive imperialist foreign policy
Rise of anti gay activity
Racism
Sponsoring terrorism
Inequality

I am sure that there are more similarities.

I have travelled far and wide and Moscow is the only place on earth that I felt uncomfortable.

That is quite a simplistic list and quite subjective from your point of view. I can name the number one thing that the U.S. has that Russia does not and that is the Bill of Rights. Hands down U.S. is not Russia in any meaningful way.

Not quite true.
There is a Russian Bill of Rights, of a sort.
Comparing the American and Russian Constitutions | Alaska Justice Forum

In name only. from the article you posted:

Moreover, Article 72 of the Russian constitution gives the federal government and the provincial/regional governments joint jurisdiction over many other governmental functions, including:

• “issues [concerning] the possession, use, and management of land, mineral resources, water, and other natural resources;”
• “protection of the environment and ecological safety;”
• “general questions of upbringing, education, science, culture, physical culture, and sports;”
• “coordination of health issues, protection of the family, motherhood, fatherhood, and childhood, [and] social protection including social security;”
• “administrative, . . . labor, family, housing, land, water, and forestry legislation;”....

There are many other differences as well and while the article claims Russians have the right to free speech, that is false because under article 72 if it is determined that speech is against the government (i.e. Putin) it most certainly is censored and not to mention the "disappearances" of those that have questioned Putin publicly.

They have rights, but many are in name only and are not actually protected when push comes to shove. Look at gay people there.

I think that is a key point. However I see virtually every Republican candidate is keen on oppressing the Gay community. There is a huge amount of anti gay feeling on this board as well. Its a question of degree but I think that somebody like, for example, Cruz would not be out of place in Russia.